TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #8

[Melodie]

So if they switched computers, Matt was monitoring AD on Gail's instead, right?

To BeanE's point, AD did not see Gail leave so how did she know that Gail took the computer which also contained the boat key....

I believe the theory was that MP did not know about AD's computer. He would supposedly not have had access to that one. It was a secret computer. He would keep monitoring Gail's known computer/s and he would not know about the laptop she borrowed from Arlene. I don't see how Arlene could know that the computer bag and boat key stayed in the Jeep for sure. After listening to that other interview where she discussed it, I took that Arlene presumed the bag and boat key stayed with Gail in the Jeep. If he has the key and it was indeed in the bag, it could be argued that when Gail exited the Jeep when she arrived at the SM home, she took the bag inside and set it down and then left without it. I don't see how she could know for sure, I think she is just assuming. But that brings me back to the question, if the key was in the bag with the computer and he has the key now, where is Arlene's laptop? Why would you not give that back if you know it belongs to them?

 

[hollyblue]

Thank you. Yes, the ads are very annoying, so is the crazy music. To make sure, I get what you are saying, SB is the neighbor who waved at Gail as she drove away on the day she disappeared, right? This is confusing to me because I thought AD said earlier in another interview that the computer bag with laptop in it and boat key left with Gail in the Jeep from AL to SM. Then, MP was seen in the boat on the lake several times after Gail disappeared. The question was, where did the bag end up? Did she take it in the house and leave it there where it could be found by him after she left or did it stay in the Jeep? So now, where is AD's laptop?? :waitasec:

In one SMM interview, Arlene said Gail took the laptop with her when she left. I was just listening to it today. Left as in drove away from the SM house. We discussed how Arlene could possibly know that.

Yes, SB is across street neighbor ...and we don't know when she had possession of the computer bag/boat key. The computer bag/boat key was in GP's possession when she left the lake house on 4/30...per Arlene.
Again, I'm guessing AD saw it or they used it or talked about on the night of the 29th. I don't recall any statements about them (AD & GP) trading computers....if anyone has a link...I'd like to read it...or listen. TIA

Good question on where is laptop now...we did question this earlier---whether or not she came into the house and left the puter bag, cc, dl, etc.

JMO

 

[fedfan4life]

I believe the theory was that MP did not know about AD's computer. He would supposedly not have had access to that one. It was a secret computer. He would keep monitoring Gail's known computer/s and he would not know about the laptop she borrowed from Arlene. I don't see how Arlene could know that the computer bag and boat key stayed in the Jeep for sure. After listening to that other interview where she discussed it, I took that Arlene presumed the bag and boat key stayed with Gail in the Jeep. If he has the key and it was indeed in the bag, it could be argued that when Gail exited the Jeep when she arrived at the SM home, she took the bag inside and set it down and then left without it. I don't see how she could know for sure, I think she is just assuming. But that brings me back to the question, if the key was in the bag with the computer and he has the key now, where is Arlene's laptop? Why would you not give that back if you know it belongs to them?

Why would Gail leave a 'secret' laptop at the home she shared with Matt?

 

[believe09]

Looking forward to finding out how the knowledge of the location of her laptop came about...

I also think there is a case for Matt having a spare key, but that one is going to be impossible to sort out until Gail is found.

ETA: Thanks Melodie..what I was trying to say was that Matt would be monitoring Gail's computer (alledgedly) without knowing that Arlene was the one using it.

As for the pings-so Matt was noted at a storage facility prior to Gail disappearing, correct? Because AD couldnt have known where he was after simply because Gail downloaded the tracking device (according to AD) prior to her disappearance.

This makes it slightly less suspicious, I would think, and LE cleared his storage facilities IIRC recently.

 

[hollyblue]

Oh, for crying out loud.....I wish I knew google maps better. if you search "Signal Mountain storage" There is one that is right on the mountain and could never be described as 3.2 miles away. There are 2 that look about that distance away....and they are both located right by the Wal-Mart where Gail's phone last pinged!

Map of storage facilities. Best I can do:

ETA: Better map with mileage: BAhhhh.. It wont' bring the mileage over with map because of non-selection of destination. If you go to Google maps. Search: 40 Ridgerock Drive, SM --TO--Signal Mountain, storage. You'll see all facilities and all the mileage to each. HTH

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=signal+mountain,+storage&hl=en&ll=35.139564,-85.321198&spn=0.102756,0.160675&sll=35.14924,-85.332628&sspn=0.064306,0.02693&fb=1&gl=us&t=h&fll=35.150232,-85.33905&fspn=0.102742,0.160675&z=12"]signal mountain, storage - Google Maps[/ame]

 

[Melodie]

Why would Gail leave a 'secret' laptop at the home she shared with Matt?

I completely agree. I don't believe she took it in the house and left it there. No way, IMO. I think that she would not have let that bag out of her possession. That may be why Arlene is so adamant that the bag would have stayed always with Gail. I guess this is just what could be argued to answer the question how did he end up with the key. Arlene said in an interview that the boat key was special and could not be easily copied. You had to go through a bit of hassle and expense to get a key from the boat maker. I'm wanting to say that someone even checked with the dealer to see if one had been ordered? I'm sorry, I don't remember where that was discussed. JMO

ETA- I never got the impression that they "traded" computers. It seemed like Arlene was just letting Gail use hers. Maybe Arlene had another computer that she was able to use for that time. I don't think it was meant to be a permanent loan. JMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

Arlene: Gail confronted Matt on Apr 26th when Matt called her. She told him she was going to divorce him, had proof, had a PI, argued about who was getting what, Matt said to his gf on the way back from Pennsylvania he was going to get all the cash out of the accounts.

*snip*

Arlene: Matt was supposed to be in Minn but went to Penn instead to buy Tammy a car.

Arlene: Gail told Matt you're not getting anything, the house, the kids, the money, nothing. Gail panicked when Matt came home early on Apr 29th.

Well this all makes sense. MP has been interested in the money from day one, although at first many people said that was natural, but to me it isn't, not with a missing wife. Lots of cases use insurance money as a motive, for instance, and in this case, there were large sums in Gail's bank accounts.

And the fact that he with his girlfriend when threatening to take all the money (while driving home in her new car from Pennsylvania) explains why she needs a defense attorney. :maddening:

Arlene: Gail was going to hire an attorney in Alabama.

So I guess that confirms she didn't have one yet, and therefore had not filed any legal papers.

Why couldn't Arlene get all this out weeks ago? The haphazard way this information is coming out just bothers me.

Arlene: Says Matt's PI Mike Mathis used to work for Hamilton County Sheriff's Office. (My note: He didn't. He worked for approx 27 years for CHATTANOOGA Police Dept. It's all over the internet.)

I cut her some slack on that. I've seen him listed as working for almost every agency, and originally the rumor was he was an ex-cop from the Signal Mt. PD. Since all of these entities work together sometimes, as in this case, I can understand the confusion.

(I live in the East County and where all the city borders come together we are patrolled by the Chattanooga Police, Ham County Sheriff's Dept, and the Collegedale police. You can drive over the railroad tracks and be in another jurisdiction, turn a corner and be in a third.)

SMM: Tammy hired an attorney because she's received numerous threats.

Well, I don't know if I believe that . . . :crazy: I think she's in deep poo-poo and she knows it.

SMM: Gail talked to family members and police all the way home telling them someone was following her. (My note: Huh? And LE didn't come out to follow Gail and catch them?? REALLY??? And none of those relatives did anything for 48 hours? REALLY??? Wowzer.)

SMM: Gail called police and told them Matt wasn't at the house, and for LE to call Matt and tell him the kids were there, and then Gail speeds off. (My note: this is great! Then Gail MUST have told LE where she was going!)

(My note: You CAN NOT find a missing person by making up your own stories about what happened to them. You might sell more books that way, but you sure as heck won't find the missing person. Poor, poor Gail.)

Three letters: TBI
Three more letters: FBI

Also this: Diving in the Tennessee River?

If anyone knows where Gail is, they wouldn't be calling in higher LE and using their resources. They wouldn't be searching the River. No way.

They aren't going to create a smokescreen to protect Gail, imo.

Now it's true that Gail might have told them where she was going. But it's pretty clear (at least to me) that she never made it there. :twocents:

ETA: Not a single mention of what the Sheriff said day before yesterday:

"There's nothing at this point to indicate that anything nefarious has occurred," Hammond told Channel 3.

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/15144246/fbi-now-looking-at-gail-palmgren-disappearance

The police say that in every one of these missing cases. Again: TBI. FBI. River Search.

Something happened. :twocents:

 

[carolinagirl56]

I must admit I very much want to know if the "James Place" area has been searched. I'll be driving James Blvd. by that area tomorrow to see it for myself, but it sounds to me like the closest "intersection" to the St. Ives outlet at Grayson, where somebody could easily hide. Grayson, Inverness, Hathaway--especially as connected via Woodbine Way--would be a very discreet and short trip.

Pearl, I thought that was someone's driveway. I thought I saw a house back in the woods and a trash can always out by the road. Is it right past Rollling Way on the right going toward the golf course?

 

[hollyblue]

Looking forward to finding out how the knowledge of the location of her laptop came about...

I also think there is a case for Matt having a spare key, but that one is going to be impossible to sort out until Gail is found.

ETA: Thanks Melodie..what I was trying to say was that Matt would be monitoring Gail's computer (alledgedly) without knowing that Arlene was the one using it.

As for the pings-so Matt was noted at a storage facility prior to Gail disappearing, correct? Because AD couldnt have known where he was after simply because Gail downloaded the tracking device (according to AD) prior to her disappearance.

This makes it slightly less suspicious, I would think, and LE cleared his storage facilities IIRC recently.

I think we should remember it was a monitored and consenual/agreement
search. Fingerprints, luminol, dog....or just a walk thru...quick looksee and may a few items taken....maybe not-- depending on the consent agreement. ??

 

[Pearl*]

Pearl, I thought that was someone's driveway. I thought I saw a house back in the woods and a trash can always out by the road. Is it right past Rollling Way on the right going toward the golf course?

No, that's not it. It's between Westwood and Stratford Way, on the same side of the street (golf course side of street) but closer to Westwood. It's on mapquest, but I don't know how to link the map.

 

[Sleuthy1]

Yes, SB is across street neighbor ...and we don't knowwhen she had possession of the computer bag/boat key. The computer bag/boat key was in GP's possession when she left the lake house on 4/30...per Arlene.
Again, I'm guessing AD saw it or they used it or talked about on the night of the 29th. I don't recall any statements about them (AD & GP) trading computers....if anyone has a link...I'd like to read it...or listen. TIA

Good question on where is laptop now...we did question this earlier---whether or not she came into the house and left the puter bag, cc, dl, etc.

JMO

:twocents:FYI ~ Clarification on the Arlene's Laptop bag/laptop and boat key inside the laptop bag that Arlene had loaned to Gail because she suspected Matt was monitoring her own electronic devices closely.The above mentioned incident...with SB occurred on April 15th when Gail called Arlene asking where the boat key was (Gail was in Alabama making the call to Arlene who was at her own home a short distance away in Alabama). Arlene reminded Gail that the boat key was located inside the laptop bag with the laptop...and was given to SB to hold for Gail so MP would not happen upon it and mess with it, as she suspected he did with her own personal pc's/etc. On the evening of the last DV call in Signal Mountain (Friday April 29th) ....upon arrival in Alabama at Arlene's ex husband's home where they were planning a birthday party for him the following day. Arlene met and spoke with Gail and the 2 children. It was at this time that Arlene was still aware that Gail had her laptop bag with the contents as mentioned before in Gail's possession (Not at SB's house now but WITH GAIL). After she left AD, at AD's ex husband's house and traveled a short distance back to the lake house for the night (before leaving early the next morning and traveling back to Signal Mountain). I agree with what someone else said earlier...if she left the bag at the house(and I don't for one minute believe she would do that....she was protecting her privacy....Gail, in the recent past gave the bag etc to SB for safe keeping b4)...Gail would not leave it behind at the SM home for MP to find...so one would have to think that as she drove out of the driveway....she had it with her in the Jeep...:twocents:

 

[hollyblue]

No, that's not it. It's between Westwood and Stratford Way, on the same side of the street (golf course side of street) but closer to Westwood. It's on mapquest, but I don't know how to link the map.

Click on the little link icon in the upper right corner above map. It will bring up the highlighted link and you can copy that and then paste.

 

[carolinagirl56]

Oh, for crying out loud.....I wish I knew google maps better. if you search "Signal Mountain storage" There is one that is right on the mountain and could never be described as 3.2 miles away. There are 2 that look about that distance away....and they are both located right by the Wal-Mart where Gail's phone last pinged!

One is right at the base of the mountain at W Road and Mountain Creek Road.

 

[Emeralgem]

Here is the link for James Place on mapquest

http://mapq.st/ov5rkl

 

[hollyblue]

Sleuthy, Have to ask. Did Arlene actually see the laptop or GP told her she had it with her? Reason I ask, is because if Susie had the laptop in her possession on SM---and GP never allowed it in the house or kept it in her car...when did GP get if from her before her sudden trip to AL on 4/29? Did she get it from SB before she left..if so...when? ??? Wouldn't MP wonder why she was going to SB's?

 

[carolinagirl56]

No, that's not it. It's between Westwood and Stratford Way, on the same side of the street (golf course side of street) but closer to Westwood. It's on mapquest, but I don't know how to link the map.

Thanks. I will snoop it out tomorrow.

 

[Emeralgem]

Sleuthy, Have to ask. Did Arlene actually see the laptop or GP told her she had it with her? Reason I ask, is because if Susie had the laptop in her possession on SM---and GP never allowed it in the house or kept it in her car...when did GP get if from her before her sudden trip to AL on 4/30? Did she get it from SB before she left..if so...when? ??? Wouldn't MP wonder why she was going to SB's?

hollyblue, IIRC the sudden trip to Alabama was on the 29th the day MP unexpectedly arrived home early..JMHO

 

[F. Lee]

No, that's not it. It's between Westwood and Stratford Way, on the same side of the street (golf course side of street) but closer to Westwood. It's on mapquest, but I don't know how to link the map.

My husband and I drove James Boulevard looking for James Place today. He drove so I could look. If you're driving past the County Club going toward Inverness, Apple Wood, etc., you should slow down after passing the Signal Mountain Library and the huge, blue water towers on the right. Directly after seeing the towers, look to the left in the wooded area and you'll see what looks like a driveway going back into the woods. It has grass growing down the middle of the car tracks, and is really easy to miss. You almost have to look directly toward it to see it because of the woods around it.

I think I've seen it before when the foliage was not covering so much of the mountain. It is just past the old Ballard house (if locals are familiar with the pretty white house across from the Library) and is on the left side of the road. I wonder if it belonged to the Ballard family and/or Marr family because they owned so much property at one time.

Hope this helps if anyone is looking for it.

 

[hollyblue]

This is map of storage facility 3.2 miles from the home as stated by SMM. It's right at the bottom of W Road and neer Mountian Creek Rd.

Pro Storage:

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=311+Glendale+Drive,+Chattanooga,+TN&hl=en&ll=35.107885,-85.328&spn=0.008075,0.01369&sll=35.154162,-85.312958&sspn=0.129123,0.21904&gl=us&t=h&z=16"]311 Glendale Drive, Chattanooga, TN - Google Maps[/ame]

 

[hollyblue]

hollyblue, IIRC the sudden trip to Alabama was on the 29th the day MP unexpectedly arrived home early..JMHO

Ooops. Thank you, your corrrect and I'll fix my post.