TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #11

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  • #421
Yes. Anyone can make posters. I could go make one right now. :) It happens more than you'd think. Someone goes missing, and everyone starts shouting "AMBER ALERT!" Doesn't mean one was "officially" issued though.

Now we've :deadhorse: on yet another topic... :)

wow! Ok moving on moving on!
 
  • #422
respectuflly snipped

Why do you think she was alive for the first few days?
I'm sincerely interested because I don't understand how that statement can be made. :innocent:
tia/imoo

I assume she was alive for some period (and still hold out hole she still is). My reasoning is that :

1) if it were a straight stalker murder she would have been killed on the spot like Rebecca Schaeffer, John Lennon, etc. If the goal was to just kill her there would be no need to take her away with all of the inherent risks involved (like potential escape).

2) seemingly no secondary crime scene was found near the home. No bloody clearing with branches broken and grass trampled, etc.

3) if murder was the sole purpose, then why take her body away? It doesnt seem to indicate she was taken into the woods, killed on the spot, and then dumped or hidden close by. None of the intense searches so far have turned up a body near Holly's home.

4) it is easier to move a live person than a dead one even if they are bound.

5) If I were going to kill someone I would not take the body home and then decide to hide it.

6) possibly a site somewhere had been prepared to hide a body. But nothing has been found to date.

So, I want to think she could still be alive. Just don't know. There is a lack of any detailed evidence supporting any theories.
 
  • #423
this is just my opinion

the spokesperson is saying what he is allowed to say

we may not like the lack of info released but it is what it is

I personally respect him for doing what he can for the family.

moo

Well if there is nothing to say why send him out there to the wolves?
 
  • #424
I assume this is a kidnapping for some sort of sexual assault. Ultimately the suspect could kill Holly when he was done. Could be the day she was taken or today or tomorrow. We just dont know. I am sure he didnt take her into the woods to watch Twilight DVDs or play Farmville.

"Staged" may or may not mean anything. The lunch bag got to where it was found in one of two ways. Either the suspect threw it from a car or holly threw it from a car. So either way the suspect or the two of them were at that location. Now, you could argue that he PLANTED it there, but he still had to go there to leave it so its the exact same thing. I do not think also that the suspect would, at some point, decide to put Hollys stuff in the car and drive around planting it. Thats too risky. You want to get rid of stuff FAST not drive it around town sprinkling it here and there.

The tape and bag were NOT found 8 miles into the woods they were found (at least the bag) 8 miles AWAY on a road. I posted pictures and a map earlier today. The tape and bag are said to be from the general same area. The location of the tape does not look like the exact same spot as where the bag is said to have come from. There is no river by the lunch BAG (its like a small purse). There is a creek but the bag was not found in it and it is said that the bag (with lunch) appeared to have been thrown from a car. Again there is video of the site. No mention has been made of any items Holly may have had so a purse, back pack, school items, etc. is 100% conjectural. No items of hers have been described as missing either.

I doubt the abductor parked 8 miles away "as the staged clues suggest". I assume had some vehicle on a path in or behinds the woods. Someone pointed out on a map a day or two ago that you could get to a car in a few minutes. Plus there is probably at least a 2-4 hour window of opportunity to leave the scene before LE even started to look for things.

Early on in the search scanner chatter reported finding a car parked in the woods with the engine warm, and having gloves and camo clothes inside. Some variants of the story say the clothes were in a back pack and Holly's cell phone was in the car. The original chatter DID mention a car. LE has denied that both a car was found or that anything found had anything to do with the case. So who really knows. Somehow I tend to believe IF a car were found it is not invloved since cops have been asking people to report about people suspiciously washing cars, selling cars, changing tires, etc. You wouldnt do that if you found the suspects car in the first place.

BBM.

Exactly. Very good point about the staging. One way or the other the perp. was there, Holly was there or both were there. I can see what people mean about the perp. attempting to throw off LE by ditching things and then leaving the area entirely, but even if this were the case, the evidence is not entirely useless. There may be DNA, footprints or tracks of some kind, fingerprints, etc.
 
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BBM.

Exactly. Very good point about the staging. One way or the other the perp. was there, Holly was there or both were there. I can see what people mean about the perp. attempting to throw off LE by ditching things and then leaving the area entirely, but even if this were the case, the evidence is not entirely useless. There may be DNA, footprints or tracks of some kind, fingerprints, etc.

RIght I dont mean to imply the evidence is useless but others seem to think that if the suspect went there to plant it then its uselss. It just means the suspect was there!

I wonder if suspects really drive all over hell's half acre planting stuff when one of the biggest man hunts in TN history is going on? If he did, then he had a lot of spare time on his hands.
 
  • #427
How many hats you got? I thought you ate that the other day? Or maybe someone else was? Do hats count for Lent?

No that was my shoe!!!! lol Or should i say my flip flop!
 
  • #428
You might go back two or three days because all of this was resolved (I thought?) then.

I wasn't the one who brought it up. I have been reading here for several days too. There isn't anything much we know for fact, so things keep getting rehashed. The amber alert was brought up again and I added my opinion.
 
  • #429
I agree with what you're saying Carla. I don't see the purpose of throwing a lunch bag out the window of a car while driving though, you know? Unless she threw it out the window, that only raises more suspicion and if he actually was in a car he'd want them to think that they were on foot so the police would have a smaller search radius.

It just doesn't make sense for him to walk on foot with her and the start crossing multiple roads where the lunch box and duct tape were found. It sounds like he was stalking her and I would think that kind of thing would run through his head while he's planning all of this out. As I said, he would have to think that within a couple of hours somebody is going to notice her car is still there or somebody is going to try to call her and she won't answer and won't show up to class etc. His time frame to escape with her is a few hours and like you said his most likely plans are more than just a quick murder so he needs to escape with her quick.

The police know way more than we think and they're not letting us know for good reason. There's nothing we can do by knowing that her cell phone was on her and they have a tracking location etc. I would like to know whether her brother had tried to call/text her phone before or shortly after calling 911. I'm not sure if a phone carrier stores the location of where the signal was received from in a database or not. It's a good thing her FB was private as a stalker with some kind of power/control trip would be very interested in adding her so he can see more about her, who she is talking to and what she is talking about.
 
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  • #431
BBM.

Exactly. Very good point about the staging. One way or the other the perp. was there, Holly was there or both were there. I can see what people mean about the perp. attempting to throw off LE by ditching things and then leaving the area entirely, but even if this were the case, the evidence is not entirely useless. There may be DNA, footprints or tracks of some kind, fingerprints, etc.

I would be surprised if the perp was "planting" evidence. The lunchbox appears to be thrown from a car. It looks like more of an act to get rid of evidence.

My thought is most of the planning went into obtaining Holly.
 
  • #432
this is just my opinion

the spokesperson is saying what he is allowed to say

we may not like the lack of info released but it is what it is

I personally respect him for doing what he can for the family.

moo

But he wasn't doing anything for the family. I don't understand how anything he said was actually supposed to be helpful. What would have been helpful would be to have completely removed all suspicion surrounding the family in order to focus the investigation in a different direction. That's what normal, innocent people and their spokespersons do in these situations. Look at Marc Klaas who jumped at the chance to eliminate himself and who was completely open and honest from the beginning for the sake of finding his daughter.

The neighbor who was on NG a few nights ago did much more to help the family than this man did. She said Clint Bobo was a wonderful young man, they were proud to have him as part of their community, etc. By refusing to even make an attempt to either a) portray the family positively or b) say anything remotely helpful in finding Holly, he not only did the family and Holly a disservice but even made the family look worse.

Now, having said all this, I don't believe the family is involved at all, because I believe this is related to the similar incident back in January, but I still don't understand why the spokesman couldn't have done a better job. Actually, that's all the more reason for him to have done a better job - so that we get a better understanding of the family's innocence (if that's the case) and start looking into other possibilities, like this one.
 
  • #433
wow! Ok moving on moving on!

Didn't mean any offense, sorry. :) Just the nature of this case. Frustrating! Can't seem to get the facts 100% for sure on anything.
 
  • #434
According to this, Holly's mother and brother watched the abduction and they said.....

Huh? Haven't we heard that the mother had already left for the day?

Yes i read that also!
Then it went to he called her at work.

I wonder what time Mom starts work? That might give us a time frame.
 
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ANd if you look, that is only a regular NCMEC flier. You don't have to have an AA to get on that page. She is not on the NCMEC AA servlet page. Just a normal NCMEC entry.

But why is she on a childs website? Doesn't this missing org run and adult site too?
 
  • #437
Didn't mean any offense, sorry. :) Just the nature of this case. Frustrating! Can't seem to get the facts 100% for sure on anything.

No Worries i dont take offense at things we are just having discussions....
And yes it is frustrating.:crazy


LOL the WOW!!!!!! was about making up posters lol not at what ya said to me lol
 
  • #438
According to this, Holly's mother and brother watched the abduction and they said.....

Huh? Haven't we heard that the mother had already left for the day?

Thats old information. Oddly the stuff listed on America's Most Wanted is just as dated and inaccurate.
 
  • #439
I agree with what you're saying Carla. I don't see the purpose of throwing a lunch bag out the window of a car while driving though, you know? Unless she threw it out the window, that only raises more suspicion and if he actually was in a car he'd want them to think that they were on foot so the police would have a smaller search radius.

It just doesn't make sense for him to walk on foot with her and the start crossing multiple roads where the lunch box and duct tape were found. It sounds like he was stalking her and I would think that kind of thing would run through his head while he's planning all of this out. As I said, he would have to think that within a couple of hours somebody is going to notice her car is still there or somebody is going to try to call her and she won't answer and won't show up to class etc. His time frame to escape with her is a few hours and like you said his most likely plans are more than just a quick murder so he needs to escape with her quick.

The police know way more than we think and they're not letting us know for good reason. There's nothing we can do by knowing that her cell phone was on her and they have a tracking location etc. I would like to know whether her brother had tried to call/text her phone before or shortly after calling 911. I'm not sure if a phone carrier stores the location of where the signal was received from in a database or not. It's a good thing her FB was private as a stalker with some kind of power/control trip would be very interested in adding her so he can see more about her, who she is talking to and what she is talking about.

Maybe Holly threw the lunch out the window? The perp may have been to scared to turn around and go get it
 
  • #440
But why is she on a childs website? Doesn't this missing org run and adult site too?

They add "minors" up to age 20.

SPECIAL NOTE: This case was initiated pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 5779. The individual pictured on this poster was reported missing when he or she was between the ages of 18 and 20. Law enforcement has entered this case in the FBI National Crime Information Center database and has asked NCMEC to disseminate this poster.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...seNum=1170175&orgPrefix=NCMA&searchLang=en_US
 
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