TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

[JeannieC]

His alibi checked out? Wow! I read he is married and I can't pass on what was said about his car because I cannot verify it. It also fits but now LE is saying he isn't their guy..ho hum..

How in the world did he get $30k to bail out of jail?

I wonder what his alibi was....his wife?

 

[JeannieC]

Wasn't sure about the spelling but the guy's pic is there. He is a big guy. So if he parked on the left of the house it all makes sense. He may have even parked behind the storage shed.

I have a notion I was wrong about them going to the right of the house...I thought the woods weren't very thick there. So it is highly probable he walked to the left and northward towards the shed area.

CB said they walked toward the path that lead to an old logging road. On the map, I believe it is behind the map because of where the searches were. Make the map smaller and you can see all of them and it makes more sense.

 

[Whisperer]

So did they go to the left of the house? That is as you are looking at it head on. I'm sorry but CB's account was not clear. All he said was North.

It seems as if the evidence (including the abandoned car) was found around her school.

Is it possible that somebody from her school is involved in this? If they traveled North, that means they traveled on Hwy 40 to approx Hwy 69 which leads to Holly's school.

This Hwy 40 goes to Nashville. Centerville is halfway there and that is where the other victim described a man approaching her in the early morning.

 

[Whisperer]

It is so odd to find an abduction in the early morning...just weird. Most criminals prefer the night and most sleep during the early day hours.

 

[Whisperer]

All the evidence thrown out on or near the main drag of Parsons. The lunch box not far from huge rock quarry. So this abductor was not in any hurry to continue on Hwy 40 but took a turn onto the main street. Kind of bold, imo. If CB's time is correct, this is the most busiest part of the day in that section of town...crazy!

 

[Whisperer]

This, so far, is a very disorganized crime. Taking chance with family at scene, blood at the scene, driving into town at busy hour, throwing evidence on or near the main street. Was the evidence thrown near the school to leave a statement? Is this a student or employee? Or was this a goodbye to nursing school (I'll show you) done by the perp? "You won't need this stuff anymore" type thing.

 

[Whisperer]

For JeanneC: The man's name is jason nickell:

Here is some info...scroll down almost half-way. I think I am allowed to link this due to the author.
http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...mes-to-small-tight-knit-community-safety-tips

 

[JeannieC]

So did they go to the left of the house? That is as you are looking at it head on. I'm sorry but CB's account was not clear. All he said was North.

It seems as if the evidence (including the abandoned car) was found around her school.

Is it possible that somebody from her school is involved in this? If they traveled North, that means they traveled on Hwy 40 to approx Hwy 69 which leads to Holly's school.

This Hwy 40 goes to Nashville. Centerville is halfway there and that is where the other victim described a man approaching her in the early morning.

CB said they went down a trail that leads to a logging road. Go to the map and make all the icons fit so you can see all the searches. I believe they went north (because CB said north, I think) and on the map that appears to be at the roof of the icon house which is a search area.

Hope that helps.

 

[JeannieC]

His alibi checked out? Wow! I read he is married and I can't pass on what was said about his car because I cannot verify it. It also fits but now LE is saying he isn't their guy..ho hum..

How in the world did he get $30k to bail out of jail?

He could use property or a house. Construction equip. anything of value.

 

[Oriah]

Thanks for reminding me of this FB page. Early on that FB page and the creator of that page - he was referred to as TC here I think - were criticized greatly here and on other Holly Bobo web discussions. I never quite understood why. But I will say that some of the entries I am reading there as part of their reports from this month sound very much like what was written there in May on their wall. It seems they stopped posting on their wall and adding interesting pictures sometime in early summer. Those items are now missing. I really don't understand WHAT that FB page is about to tell you the truth.

The link to "Tactical SAR" on the facebook page is why it was so highly criticized.
That is not LE, and does not represent any LE based searches- but the owner of that page would like people to think that they are.

Please note that the "contact" info provided under the guise of "FBI" and Memphis is completely inaccurate.
The contacts for the Memphis field office can be found at: memphis.fbi.gov.
The phone number is: (901) 747-4300.

The owner of that page couldn't even get the area code right in his/her badly designed forgery. (907) is Alaska.

There is nothing of any validity or usefulness to the "SAR" info on that page. Except for the fraud, of course.

 

[Oriah]

It is so odd to find an abduction in the early morning...just weird. Most criminals prefer the night and most sleep during the early day hours.

Crimes occur at all times of the day and night. Kidnappings in the early morning are sadly not uncommon at all.

http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/NCVS/

<According to the NCVS, crime happens at all times of the day and night, though particular crimes exhibit different patterns. Violent crimes occur between 6 A.M. and 6 P.M. in 52.7 percent of cases. Simple assaults occur 57.6 percent of the time during these same hours, as do 42.2 percent of aggravated assaults. Approximately two-thirds (63.2 percent) of rapes/sexual assaults occur at night. Most property crimes occur during the day, except for motor vehicle theft, which occurs 71.7 percent of the time at night.
Crime may also occur in any place. According to the NCVS, in 2002 nearly one-third (31.7 percent) of violent crime incidents occurred at or near the victim's residence. Other common locales for crime were schools (15.1 percent), commercial establishments (11.3 percent), and parking lots and garages (7.6 percent).?>

Much more at link.


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[TxLady2]

I hope that I can explain the dynamics of a small rural community in the south. This by no means refers to the south as a whole but I believe it does apply to Darden Tenn.

I moved from a large city in the north to a large city in the south. I met a guy from a small city, married him and moved to what he referred to as, “God's Country”. Soon after I referred to it as “God Forsaken”. I don't now. There was nothing to do, no where to go, they rolled up the sidewalks at dark!

It was very different for me and I didn't understand anything. Growing up we didn't have family near us so at holidays we were alone.

Suddenly I had his entire family which consisted of his parents, 3 siblings, grandparents on both sides. Thirty-two female first cousins and fifteen male first cousins on one side. Not only that, his father had 7 brothers and 4 sisters and they all lived within hollering distance to his grandmother. His maternal grandparents also lived with his parents.

It gets better, my husband went into the military three days after we were married and left me with his parents. The plan was for me to join him after basic training but, best laid plans of mice and men as the saying goes, I got pregnant right away. DON'T LAUGH!

Next, I wasn't allowed to go with him. He was shipped to another base, trained, and shipped to Korea. I didn't know a sole. I was miserable!

His family was great. They treated me like a daughter. His mother was with me when I had my son. Three and a half days of labor and she stayed by my side. When I went home she hired someone to clean house so she could help with the baby. She worked full time too.

His sister came everyday during lunch and bathed and fed the baby. Everyone was wonderful. I was never treated like an outsider. I was family.

We went to church together and so did most of the other siblings' families. Not all the same churches. After church all my hubby's siblings and sibling in laws came for dinner. It was like Thanksgiving every Sunday.

I had a hard time with people wanting to get to know me. I thought they were being nosy and later realized they cared. When my sister finally had a baby after trying for 10 years my ex's grandmother crocheted a beautiful afghan for the baby. The other one knitted a hat, sweater, and booties. They had only met her once but she was my sister so they claimed her too.

When my husband came home we moved to his Dad's farm. My husband's sister and hubby, and his brother and wife built down the road on the farm land. About a dozen cousins built on the same road.

We were close enough to be neighbors but not close enough to see what went on at each house. Some went to church, some didn't. Most did.

Church was a big part of most of our lives. Church youth groups, camps, slumber parties, vacation bible school. Big meals on special occasions at the church and inviting the preacher and his family to your house for a meal is normal behavior. In a small town (rural community) these things are very important. What else would the children have without the church. Who else would help when someone is ill, in financial need, going through a divorce, or dying if not for the church.

Its not a cult. Its a way of life. People helping people. Children mingling with other children in a safe environment. Giving them a place to go that is safe and fun. Teaching them to socialize. Families living close and being there for each other. Not a cult.

As far as hunting and carrying guns, many do hunt. They eat what they hunt. Its not just for sport but many of them enjoy hunting. I can honestly say I have heard more gunshots in the big cities I have visited and/or worked in than I have heard when I lived on a farm in a rural community. My husband (now ex-husband) never hunted. Most of his cousins did.

As far as the Bobo grandmother saying that was the first night Holly and Clint had spent apart I think I can explain what she meant by that.

It has nothing to do with them sleeping together. My father in law used to stand up when the sun went down and say he was going to bed, regardless of the time. He would say its night time the sun is down, time to go to bed. He was up every morning before the sun came up.

A lot of southerners who come from farms might say, “he came over last night” and it actually means it was dark or close to dark, not night as we might think of it.

Holly's grandmother would NEVER mean they spent the night together as in sleeping together. That would be something she would never talk about even if she suspected it. She meant they saw each other every day and it was dark or dark when he left. Therefore, in her eyes they spent every night together.

I hope this helps and clarifies things so you will have a better understanding of the rural community in Darden as well as the close relationship to the church and the pastor.

One other thing. In smaller communities many pastors lives off the offerings of the church, the church also has to operate off these offerings. It is not unusual to have a minister who works as a house painter, carpenter, sheriff, deputy sheriff, or any number of other things to subsidize his income and take care of his family. LE in small communities don't make a lot of money either so most of those who choose that as a profession want to work in bigger towns or cities. In other words, no one wants to work for free or peanuts.

I hope this helps and sorry it is such a long post. MOO

JeanieC, you've described country life very well. People in small towns come together and support each other in times of need, but they're also there to celebrate with you when good things happen as well. I would take this country life over city life any day!!!

 

[~n/t~]

Gosh, if you read the article Whisperer posted, country life as most have described on this thread is not what is being painted for Darden, TN.

Sex offender preachers.
Sex offender locals.
Meth labs.
.
Stalkers.
Cop shootings.

But yet, people like the Bobos had/have a false sense of security and left/leave their doors unlocked and keys in the car ignition.

 

[Oriah]

Gosh, if you read the article Whisperer posted, country life as most have described on this thread is not what is being painted for Darden, TN.

Sex offender preachers.
Sex offender locals.
Meth labs.
.
Stalkers.
Cop shootings.

But yet, people like the Bobos had/have a false sense of security and left/leave their doors unlocked and keys in the car ignition.

BBM:
Unfortunately, most of the above mentioned crimes exist almost everywhere. Not just Darden, TN.

 

[~n/t~]

BBM:
Unfortunately, most of the above mentioned crimes exist almost everywhere. Not just Darden, TN.

Yes I know. The impression given including by Dana Bobo was that it was safe. He left the doors unlocked, keys in the ignition but obviously it's not for the reasons I mentioned above. So although there may be a church at every corner or you go to a local grocery store or wherever thinking everyone knows you and you know everyone, that may not be the case at all.

When I say "you", I don't literally mean you but using it as a general term.

Mr. neighbour may not be the person you thought he was or the preacher of your church or the local meat packer.....as examples.


ETA: Lindsey Baum was mentioned in the article. Remember Sandra Cantu?

 

[Frogzilla]

His alibi checked out? Wow! I read he is married and I can't pass on what was said about his car because I cannot verify it. It also fits but now LE is saying he isn't their guy..ho hum..

How in the world did he get $30k to bail out of jail?

The only thing that LE has said about JN is that he is not the focus of their investigation. Beyond that, not much has been said. Also, I do not believe he was bailed out of jail, I am pretty sure he is still sitting in a cell.

 

[stilettos]

Gosh, if you read the article Whisperer posted, country life as most have described on this thread is not what is being painted for Darden, TN.

Sex offender preachers.
Sex offender locals.
Meth labs.
.
Stalkers.
Cop shootings.

But yet, people like the Bobos had/have a false sense of security and left/leave their doors unlocked and keys in the car ignition.

Oh those crimes happen here in my little two red-light mountain town too..but people still leave their keys in the car at the local drugstore and homes unlocked...of course they also have shotguns and carry permits. We just had a local county Sherriff's Officer arrested for childporn. He is in jail...but when he gets out he will leave town because he cannot show his face. No one will serve him in a restaurant nor will he be sold groceries or anything else...he will be sternly but quietly "advised" to leave the property. He will move. BTW - all my doors are locked all the time. Lived in Miami before coming home and I don't trust ANYONE.

 

[OldSteve]

Crimes occur at all times of the day and night. Kidnappings in the early morning are sadly not uncommon at all.

http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/NCVS/

<According to the NCVS, crime happens at all times of the day and night, though particular crimes exhibit different patterns. Violent crimes occur between 6 A.M. and 6 P.M. in 52.7 percent of cases. Simple assaults occur 57.6 percent of the time during these same hours, as do 42.2 percent of aggravated assaults. Approximately two-thirds (63.2 percent) of rapes/sexual assaults occur at night. Most property crimes occur during the day, except for motor vehicle theft, which occurs 71.7 percent of the time at night.
Crime may also occur in any place. According to the NCVS, in 2002 nearly one-third (31.7 percent) of violent crime incidents occurred at or near the victim's residence. Other common locales for crime were schools (15.1 percent), commercial establishments (11.3 percent), and parking lots and garages (7.6 percent).?>

Much more at link.


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Thanks for these statistics!

BBM - considering that's the most likely reason for this abduction, then I agree with Whisperer that it's an odd time.

 

[JeannieC]

Thanks for these statistics!

BBM - considering that's the most likely reason for this abduction, then I agree with Whisperer that it's an odd time.

Night would seem like the best time but there were 2 men in the house with guns readily available. The best time to abduct Holly was when the men weren't home and neither was her mother.

 

[Advocate1]

I would like to tackle this one and add to the post about southern country living.
I am from Seattle WA born and raised. There is nothing small about where I come from at all. I went to college at UW and lived it up. I met a guy through friends that was from a small town in Texas and after much consideration moved to be with him. I loved and hated it. The dynamics of the cultures was LITERALLY night and day. We lived in a town with one has station and one grocery store owned by the same family. We were in our 20's with no children. His family was in LE and owned about half the town, really.
Our lives revolved around church, camping, Sunday Football, and family gatherings.
A few things that blew my mind...
- I got a ticket on the interstate for speeding and when my husband found out it took one phone call to Daddy and my ticket disappeared.
- We were having issues getting approved for a home loan because we had little credit. Father in law made a call to the bank and 2 days later we had the loan with no co-signer as Daddy's word was enough for the bank!
- I could not believe how many young girls (18) were married and pregnant. I was way behind.
- Our in laws pretty much had control over my husband. Their influence was just known.
- It was no secret who was the druggies in town. It was also common knowledge that the good ole boys ran the town not LE.

Who your Daddy or Papa were could make a world of difference.
Money is only one way to hold influence in a small town.
Position of authority are were its at though.
One learns a lot about corruption, influence, and manipulation in a small southern town.

Gosh, if you read the article Whisperer posted, country life as most have described on this thread is not what is being painted for Darden, TN.

Sex offender preachers.
Sex offender locals.
Meth labs.
.
Stalkers.
Cop shootings.

But yet, people like the Bobos had/have a false sense of security and left/leave their doors unlocked and keys in the car ignition.