TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[wfgodot]

Personally, I don't blame TBI for not releasing information. We've seen it in other cases where they keep evidence close to their vests. We're seeing it now in the Baby Lisa case. It doesn't mean they have nothing.

Unfortunately, IF mistruths were told in this case, I can understand how that would effect the investigation.

Advancing the "doesn't mean they have nothing" proposition relies on faith in a negative construct, and negatives can't be proven.

I think when LE "plays its cards close to its vest," that most likely means they have very little of substance in their hand.

 

[~n/t~]

Could have been, but with typical lack of precision, he lumps all of the internet discussion into one handy whipping boy ("blogs") and doesn't even specify which.

For the record, I'm not following this case for the $100,000 reward. :floorlaugh:

 

[Plumeria5]

I have been torn between a couple of theories but having read today's article in the Sun, I feel strongly that this was a planned abduction, that more than one person was involved in the planning, including someone Holly would have NEVER suspected.

 

[Frogzilla]

I have been torn between a couple of theories but having read today's article in the Sun, I feel strongly that this was a planned abduction, that more than one person was involved in the planning, including someone Holly would have NEVER suspected.

I have never tried to give a here-it-is theory to what I do think happened, but if I was FORCED to stick with a theory, I would choose something along this line of thinking. I may replace the word, NEVER, with the phrase, somebody that she knew. It seems that morning started with some confusion before the abductor entered the story as we know it. When the abductor enters the scene, it becomes a snow ball rolling down Mount Chaos.

 

[MysteryAddict]

If Clint truly saw Holly being led into the woods just minutes before LE showed up-----
why blame searchers for messing up the scene?

Why didn't Clint yell to the first LE on the scene--
"Help, some guy just took my sister into the woods in that direction!!!"

Common sense??

 

[Frogzilla]

That would be your pup at the door, wfgodot.

And yes! Can you believe it?! We're now training dogs on internet confusion! And MEDIA confusion!! So far, success rates have been high. They can smell it a mile away. Especially when it stinks. :banghead:

Ok, off rant but probably not for long... because I am increasingly frustrated by the assumptions made that:

#1- ALL small/rural LE depts don't care about missing persons.
#2- ALL small/rural LE depts are completely inept.
#3- ALL small/rural LE depts don't call for assistance from other agencies as soon as they realize they need it.
#4- Assistance from other agencies is public knowledge
and of course...
#5 -ALL media outlets provide accurate info to the public.

Yes, peeps- I understand what we have to work with here.
But maybe- just maybe- the assumptions are out of control here. Kwim?

Ok, now fully off rant.

I like this post very much and I appreciate your steady and straight faced approach to discussing the case. It keeps a balance that we need here. If you replace the word ALL with the word NO, they become quite the factual statements.

1- Unfortunately many missing people do not get the attention they deserve.
2- Everybody is good at something, right?
3- Especially in a kidnapping case when the victim may be removed from the area. Is local LE suppose to just investigate their county and give up? You may end up sending in the clowns or get Sherlock Holmes on the case, either way there are certain crimes that call for certain means.
4- Some local people in this case took to social media to describe in detail what agency was heading where and their best guess at what they were doing. I am sure that was a great help to LE.
5- A ventriloquist's dummy with an annoying habit of occasionally ad-libbing. They don't make the news, they just report it.

:therethere:

 

[NCSleuth]

I am still floored by the 15 minutes. I know 15 minutes is not a lot of time, but it is if you are standing out in the open trying to kidnap a girl!

We know the scream came at 7:40. we know they exited the yard about 7:55. What kidnapper would feel comfortable standing out in the yard for 15 minutes? Either he was sure no one would see him, or he was sure it would okay for him to be in the yard.

 

[Plumeria5]

I am still floored by the 15 minutes. I know 15 minutes is not a lot of time, but it is if you are standing out in the open trying to kidnap a girl!

We know the scream came at 7:40. we know they exited the yard about 7:55. What kidnapper would feel comfortable standing out in the yard for 15 minutes? Either he was sure no one would see him, or he was sure it would okay for him to be in the yard.

Didn't seem to feel a need to rush, did he/they?

 

[~n/t~]

I have been torn between a couple of theories but having read today's article in the Sun, I feel strongly that this was a planned abduction, that more than one person was involved in the planning, including someone Holly would have NEVER suspected.

I would believe abduction also if it wasn't for the lack of urgency by the family to look for her. Someone needs to tell them that the chances of finding Holly alive after 6 months are slim to none. If the person is a local, she can't be too far unless he put her in a car and took off.

How long would it take a kidnapper to get from the woods to the closest highway? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? So the cops, Karen and the neighbour were at the house when the kidnapper was leading Holly to his car. Dropping stuff on the way there? :waitasec:

 

[MizStery]

This is snipped from a post by Frogzilla quoting Clint (in the Sun):
Clint,"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined."

OK,where do I begin? The description of the suspect (by Clint in which I will attempt to paraphrase). Clint told LE the suspect may be or maybe not wearing a hat and gloves & had no concrete physical description of the suspect's appearance which to me is unsettling. Let me explain ....when writing a statement you need to have a kernel of certainty that you anchor onto. This is my opinion.... but a story unravels when retelling the events and everything is intentionally vague. The fact he is so sure it was Drew ...yet when he does have the opportunity to see
the retreating back of the suspect he
cannot give one single bit of helpful
information except a height and weight and clothing which fits almost every turkey hunter that morning. :waitasec:

Another red herring(in my opinion) is his conviction that as he observes Holly being abducted
instead of pursuing the kidnapper...he ponders the possibility that Holly is going to be gone for some time according to his written statement ...quoted
above. :twocents:

All of this is my opinion. I would like to believe that there are many others who have been talking to LE and have offered helpful information to help find Holly.

MOO

 

[~n/t~]

This is snipped from a post by Frogzilla quoting Clint (in the Sun):
Clint,"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined."

The description of the suspect (by Clint in which I will attempt to paraphrase). Clint told LE the suspect may be or maybe not wearing a hat and gloves & had no concrete physical description of the suspect's appearance which to me is unsettling. Let me explain ....when writing a statement you need to have a kernel of certainty that you anchor onto. This is my opinion.... but a story unravels when retelling the events and everything is intentionally vague. The fact he is so sure it was Drew ...yet when he does have the opportunity to see
the retreating back of the suspect he
cannot give one single bit of helpful
information except a height and weight and clothing which fits almost every turkey hunter that morning. :waitasec:

Another red herring(in my opinion) is his conviction that as he observes Holly being abducted
instead of pursuing the kidnapper...he ponders the possibility that Holly is going to be gone for some time according to his written statement ...quoted
above. :twocents:

All of this is my opinion. I would like to believe that there are many others who have been talking to LE and have offered helpful information to help find Holly.

MOO

LE made a point in mentioning "the statement" and specifically pointed out that he felt the first responders had no reason to not tell the truth <paraphrasing>. This in itself can mean a lot.

Did the version change? We know it did.......no doubt they know a heck of a lot more than we do.

 

[~n/t~]

When was the lunchbox found? 2 days later? All those searchers and nobody saw the lunchbox before then?

 

[Whisperer]

I doubt there were any strangers hunting on the Bobo property. I find it very odd that Drew and his dad were out there on the far end of the County turkey hunting on Holly's GMA's property and that GMA knew nothing about it till after the fact.

Why wouldn't they hunt on Holly's property that morning? If Karen gave them permission to hunt on her mother's property, why wouldn't she ask them why they don't just hunt on her own property? Clint discussed hunting the night before with Drew. Drew told him he was going hunting in the am. Clint claims to not know where. If you're as big a hunter as Clint is, you would ask where are you going tomorrow?

Was Clint home because he was supposed to go hunting with Drew?...hmmm.

 

[~n/t~]

I doubt there were any strangers hunting on the Bobo property. I find it very odd that Drew and his dad were out there on the far end of the County turkey hunting on Holly's GMA's property and that GMA knew nothing about it till after the fact.

Why wouldn't they hunt on Holly's property that morning? If Karen gave them permission to hunt on her mother's property, why wouldn't she ask them why they don't just hunt on her own property? Clint discussed hunting the night before with Drew. Drew told him he was going hunting in the am. Clint claims to not know where. If you're as big a hunter as Clint is, you would ask where are you going tomorrow?

Was Clint home because he was supposed to go hunting with Drew?...hmmm.

IMO, yes. He and Drew were hunting together. I think it very suspicious that we have not heard or seen Drew Scott ever. Not one appearance at any of the events. Not one photo of him supporting the parents. Not one interview.

That says a lot.

 

[Oriah]

IMO, yes. He and Drew were hunting together. I think it very suspicious that we have not heard or seen Drew Scott ever. Not one appearance at any of the events. Not one photo of him supporting the parents. Not one interview.

That says a lot.

BBM:

Respectfully, if you don't mind me asking- what does that say to you?

I think it might say something entirely different to me. :waitasec:

 

[Whisperer]

Drew wakes up very early on the morning of the 13th in anticipation of killing turkeys. Holly wakes up very early in anticipation of a nursing exam. Clint loves turkey hunting and discussed it with Drew the night before...Clint sleeps in.

Dana does not see Holly that morning but leaves money for her. He spoke with her through a closed bdrm door. Karen fixes Holly's lunch and fixes her breakfast at 7:00am. Did Holly go somewhere in the early morning hours and was not studying?

Did Holly sneak out and go turkey hunting with Drew? Is that why Holly got up so early that morning? Maybe it was Drew and Clint that was out there that morning. Maybe Holly got hurt by a stray bullet. I would think they use low velocity bullets when turkey hunting.

Where was the Bobo's Labrador during the early morning hours? I read they had a Lab they kept outside...true?

 

[Oriah]

I doubt there were any strangers hunting on the Bobo property. I find it very odd that Drew and his dad were out there on the far end of the County turkey hunting on Holly's GMA's property and that GMA knew nothing about it till after the fact.

Why wouldn't they hunt on Holly's property that morning? If Karen gave them permission to hunt on her mother's property, why wouldn't she ask them why they don't just hunt on her own property? Clint discussed hunting the night before with Drew. Drew told him he was going hunting in the am. Clint claims to not know where. If you're as big a hunter as Clint is, you would ask where are you going tomorrow?

Was Clint home because he was supposed to go hunting with Drew?...hmmm.

BBM:
Would you mind pulling up and posting the Bobo property on Swan Johnson- and surrounding properties owned by other entities including state and federally owned properties etc; and please explain why you think this? TIA.

 

[wfgodot]

BBM:

Respectfully, if you don't mind me asking- what does that say to you?

I think it might say something entirely different to me. :waitasec:

Okay, I'm waiting for what that says to each of you. Not necessarily with bated breath, but with keen anticipation at least!

 

[Whisperer]

BBM:

Respectfully, if you don't mind me asking- what does that say to you?

I think it might say something entirely different to me. :waitasec:

It tells me that Drew S. does not want to be associated with the case.

 

[katydid23]

I am still floored by the 15 minutes. I know 15 minutes is not a lot of time, but it is if you are standing out in the open trying to kidnap a girl!

We know the scream came at 7:40. we know they exited the yard about 7:55. What kidnapper would feel comfortable standing out in the yard for 15 minutes? Either he was sure no one would see him, or he was sure it would okay for him to be in the yard.

And Holly KNEW her older brother was just feet away inside and had loaded weapons handy. I do not understand why she did not make more noise during that 15 minutes of time.