TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[SmoothOperator]

Yes, n/t from what I recall Karen not only used her friends phone for the 911 call but also she spoke with Clint from the friends phone on the way home from school.. I believe this is why some believe that there were likely two separate calls between mom and Clint.. The one possibly at the school and another with the friends phone on the way home..

*So, if Karen speaks with Clint at the school and as Clint says he was wanting to know who was in the garage(speaking as if they were still in the garage when the phonecall with mom took place).. He tells her what he's seen and heard, likely mentioning Holly's car still there and mom says Holly shouldn't be there should already be at school.. The call ends.. Clint then sees who he believes to be Drew walking with his sister casually towards the woods..Obviously thinking nothing of it and this is where it stops me dead in my tracks.. And I mean stopped and halted from moving forward..

If Karen's initial response was panic with screaming why in that first phonecall was this not relayed to Clint to get out there that there's something wrong.. I have to assume ge is not still on the phone when he sees the two casually walk into the woods otherwise Mom would have said to him it's not Drew get out there and get your sister!!.. So I believe that Clint saw them walking towards the woods in between the two calls with mom.. And it's when Karen is on her way to the home that she uses the friends cell to call Clint again.. This is when he relays to mom that it was indeed Holly as he had seen her and Drew walk casually towards the woods.. At this point is when Karen really panics telling Clint it is NOT Drew!! She hangs up and again calls 911 from the friends cell while en route to the Bobo home..

I cannot for the life of me make sense that if Karen knew there was something wrong right off the bat and panicked why then in the first phonecall does she not relay this panic to her son who is there literally within feet of her endangered daughter???

She couldn't have right?? Otherwise why when Clint saw the two walking casually towards the woods that he didn't think anything of it and did not make an effort to even call out to Holly from the door of the house??

I don't get it!!! When Karen calls Clint for the second time when she is en route to the house Clint tells her he'd seen Holly walk with Drew into the woods.. This point truly sends Karen panicking as we know she told Clint that she knew for certain it wasn't Drew and she immediately hangs up and dials 911 for the second time..

I do not believe Clint saw her being dragged*Because we know he didn't do anything.. He sees them casually walk towards the woods and it's only when mom calls a second time and she relays she knows it isn't Drew it's only at that point that Clint then goes to the garage and sees the blood and then by some Accts he then runs into the woods where he'd seen Holly and camo guy go in..

Ok that makes sense to me.. Clints actions make sense if he wasn't aware of anything nefarious happening.. Once he speaks with mom that first time he figures out it's Holly that's in the garage and assumes with Drew.. That phonecall ends obviously with Clint still of the frame of mind that nothing out of the ordinary was happening because we know he then saw the two walking casually towards the woods and he feels his assumption of it being Drew is confirmed after seeing the two walking.. He believed it to be Drew and there was no action taken because Clint was of the frame of mind that nothing out of the ordinary was occurring..

But I cannot make Karen's Make sense.. How if she immediately upon getting the msg in the cafeteria was screaming and crying uncontrollably(and we have that verified thru a fellow employee of the school that this was indeed Karen's reaction).. Why then in her first convo with Clint is he not made aware there is something very wrong!!! Again so very important is the fact that when the first call happened btwn mom and Clint, Holly and camo man were still in the garage.. Clint still could have intervened at this point!! He is not made aware why!?!????

It is after that initial call that he then sees them walk towards the woods..

I need to know:
A) why Karen knew immediately there was something dire wrong?
B) why if Karen knew this immediaty was this panic not shared with her son who at that time was literally mere feet from Holly who was still in the garage..
C) how was she so damn sure it wasn't Drew when her son has seen with his own eyes who he believes is Drew?
D) and why just because it wasn't Drew would one automatically know it was a dire situation And that she was in danger??

Because at the point that it's told to Clint it wasn't Drew there had been NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO INDICATE ANYTHING NEFARIOUS WAS TAKING PLACE!!!! when that 2nd phonecall occurred Clint had seen them walk casually towards the woods.. So what in God's name would mean that equalled dire danger for Holly?? To the point Karen immediately hangs up and calls 911 AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME?!?! why?? The blood had not even been discovered at that point?? So nothing and I do mean NOTHING ON THE SURFACE APPEARED TO EVEN BE OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR NEFARIOUS!!!

Literally all Clint knew at that point was that he'd seen sis and who believed was Drew walking casually towards the woods.. Nothing to indicate a*Dire situation!! So why would mom even if she did somehow know for certain it wasn't Drew that Holly was with.. What would have made her know something so very dire was taking place!?? Again on the surface there is nothing to indicate this!!! And Clint who has witnessed it with his own eyes is not of this frame of mind at all!!??

Anyone??

**and as far as us discussing what we know vs. What we "think" we know.. As clu said, not to be a smartazz here but really?? Come on!? If you know of some written in stone facts please share with the rest because it is clearly obvious that in this case no one knows for certain anything!!!..just sayin'**

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I agree SmoothOperator. Clint was right there, we know the home has plenty of firearms and ammunition since they hunted. If mom was so panicked, why not tell Clint, grab a gun and get out there, your sis ter is in danger. Personally, I find it odd that she didn't say "Clint, go see who it is". Why the panic? What did she know that she didn't share?

 

[SmoothOperator]

I want to clarify that in the JVM interview(that I've both watched and read the transcript multiple times.. Available links are in this thread for any interested in viewing/reading).. The fact that Clint speaks to his mother when he sees the 2 silouhettes and hears the voices in the garage.. In this interview it is one of the few things that is made certain, questioned, answered, and clarified.. That the first phonecall with mom took place BETWEEN his seeing them in the garage .. And then it was ONLY AFTER THE PHONECALL ENDED WITH MOM.. that Clint then witnessed the two walk casually towards the woods..

I want to clarify this point and am thankful that in the JVM interview it was ATLEAST one of the very few specific issues that the time was taken to thoroughly question, answer, and then clarify that answer.. But the reason I believe it's important to make sure that this point is understood EXACTLY WHEN IN THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT THE FIRST CALL TOOK PLACE BTWN MOM AND CLINT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT OCCURRED BEFORE Clint saw Holly and the camo man walk casually towards the woods!!! To further clarify just what that means is that when Clint first spoke with Mom to find out who was in the garage.. When this convo occurred Holly and camo man were still in the garage at this point.. Meaning his sister was mere feet from where Clint was when speaking with his mom in that first call.. When that phone call ends is when Clint then witnessed his sister and who believed to be Drew walking casually towards the woods..

Therefor if Clint had been made aware of what his mother was fearing and feeling with her showing the outward panic at the school when hearing msg of neighbor and screaming and crying uncontrollably.. If Clint had been made aware of this in that first call..HE WAS LITERALLY WITHIN FEET OF HIS SISTER AND THE CAMO MAN!!!.. After that first call ended Clint then saw the two emerge from the garage where he'd seen the silhouettes and heard the voices.. He confirms it is indeed his sister and he sees who he believes to be Drew and the two of them walking casually towards the woods.. Clint had already spoken to mom in the first call.. Why was not these feelings of desperation and panic not shared with her son who at the time they were on the phone together Holly was lietrally within feet of Clint and he could have armed himself and intervened!!

I need to know why and how this panic and fear was not shared with Clint???? And I not far a single millisecond will accept that she didn't want to upset of scare him.. Puhleeze!! If she truly felt Holly's life was in danger from the beginning(which from all Accts it supports that mom very much from the get-go was in fear for Holly) then I need to know why when on the phone with her son who is describing that there are 2 silhouettes in the garage just feet away, he hears their voices, Holly's car still there.. Why then when Holly was still there in the garage and not yet abducted was it not told to Clint that Mom was in fear for Holly??

We know for certain that the first phonecall took place BEFORE HE SAW THE TWO WALK CASUALLY TOWARDS THE WOODS(again thank God this is one issue that was clarified for certain on JVM).. If the mom's fear for Holly had been shared with Clint in that first call his sister was still within feet of him and Clint could have intervened, especially at the point that he then sees them emerge from the garage and casually walk towards the woods.. But he doesn't because Clint sees nothing nefarious or concerning occurring.. He watches his sister walk with who he believes is her bf towards the woods.. He thinks nothi g of it and it is only at the point when Karen is en route to the home that she uses her friends cell to call Clint for the second time.. Clint tells his mom that he could confirm that it was Holly that was in the garage because after their first call Holly and who he beleieved was Drew walked out of the garage and towards the woods.. Karen at this point shares her fears as she tells Clint that she knows for certain that it is NOT DREW THAT HE'd SEEN WALKING WITH HOLLY TOWARDS THE WOODS!!

Karen so panicked that she immediately hangs up and AGAIN CALLS 911 FOR THE SECOND TIME from her friends cell while en route to the Bobo residence.. It's at that point when Clint gets this info from mom in the second call that he then first goes into the garage where he'd initially heard and seen the two.. Clint sees the small pool of blood on the garage floor in the spot he'd earlier seen the two silhouettes kneeling and talking.. It's at this point that according to some accts that after seeing the blood Clint knows for certain something horrible had happened and that he ran into the woods where he'd earlier seen his sis and the guy enter into the treeline at.. With no sign of her it is told in some Accts that he then heads into the house and himself calls 911 as well while waiting for his mom to arrive home.. We know mom shortly thereafter does arrive at the home and LE arrived just shy of 8am..

Why was mom's true feelings and panic not shared with Clint in that first phonecall when Holly was still right there literally within feet of where Clint was??? Why?? It changes everything, especially the outcome would likely be drastically different!!! Could someone have gotten injured with Clint intervening when either they were still in the garage or when they were walking towards the woods??

Certainly someone couldve been injured, infact we now know that Holly at that point was in some capacity already injured indicated by the pool of blood tested and proven to be HER'S.. And someone could have been further injured if Clint had intervened.. But I do know for certain it would have altered the outcome!! In no way is this putting blame on Clint!! He had no clue!! He was kept in the dark of whatever the hell thT mom knew so certain was nefariously going on.. That wasn't shared with Clint.. He had no clue that as he watched his sister and who he believed was her boyfriend walk towards the woods casually.. He hadn't a clue it would be the last time he or anyone would see Holly again..*

So, what would be the motive for Karen's knowing there was something dire occurring with Holly from the get-go(verified and proven by her documented severe reactions) what could be the motive for not sharing this info with Clint while Holly was still literally within feet of Clint still at the Bobo residence that morning?? Why??

 

[Plumeria5]

I agree SmoothOperator. Clint was right there, we know the home has plenty of firearms and ammunition since they hunted. If mom was so panicked, why not tell Clint, grab a gun and get out there, your sis ter is in danger. Personally, I find it odd that she didn't say "Clint, go see who it is". Why the panic? What did she know that she didn't share?

BBM
You know, your question made we wonder something. Karen said she talked to Drew early that morning. Not knowing if it was in person, on the phone, through a text...anyway, just throwing this out there. Maybe she did talk to him out of Holly's earshot about being worried about something. Perhaps Karen was privy to information that she hadn't shared with Holly or maybe she and Holly argued about it. Holly might have been upset with her mom because Holly thought it was no big deal. Karen called Drew to discuss it on the way to school not wanting Holly to hear. And she could have possibly been on the phone with Drew at the time of the call from Clint. ??:twocents:

 

[Soulmagent]

So after 5 months, and not much in the way of results.... I have to wonder who, in the little town of Parsons, assuming it is a local perpetrator, is powerful enough to keep folks from giving up info and claiming the $100 k? Not asking for names, or anything, of course, just wondering, and thinking who has that power, of thats the case here. Power of that kind often comes from money, or position (LE, religious , or community standing.). 100 k is a lot of money in this economy.

I know Roy Kronk didnt get a reward because he called the wrong number and his story was everywhere so Maybe Clear direction would encourage someone to come forward.

Which tipline has to be called for the reward? I heard it was offered but it was not on the TBI website. Maybe if people posted clear directions for information and took out some complicators of the terms for rewrds ,they would work better.

So does anyone know the details of the terms of the reward in this case?

 

[SouthernCharm]

Hi...long time lurker. I've been following this case from day one and something that stands out to me. KB talks/texts with Drew daily/often? Does anyone remember if this was prior to Holly being missing or after that they talk and text so much? From what I recall it was prior. Does this not seem odd? I personally see it as odd. No matter how close someone is to their daughter and her boyfriend it just doesn't seem normal to talk or text that often!

As terrible as this thought is I can't help but wonder was there more going on than meets the eye? Is KB protecting Drew? Have Drews whereabouts been confirmed that morning? Why did Clint automatically assume it was Drew that he saw with Holly? What if was Drew?

What if...and I am going out on a limb here because I cannot remember if Drew has a concrete alliby. What if Karen and Drew had something between them and Holly found out? What if Drew talked to Karen that morning to alert her that Holly knew something and he then went to the Bobo home to talk to Holly before she left for her exam and things got out of hand? What if Karen is now protecting him because she can't bare the truth to come out.

I feel bad for even allowing my thoughts to go there, especially not remembering all the facts. The story has changed so much that I can keep up with all the details. I am just going on the things I remember and things that stand out as odd to me.

 

[wfgodot]

Hi SouthernCharm, and welcome to posting on the Bobo thread!

 

[OldSteve]

SmoothOperator - Lots of great points! Here a hypothetical scenario, the only one I can come up with of why a mother would panic as you mentioned and yet would not have her son intervene - if she though her daughter was running off with a person she (the mother) despised, yet she knows she legally cannot stop her daughter, and also does not what her son to get into a violent confrontation....

Only problem with this is the mother wouldn't call 911.....
So I do not have any explanation!
At a loss....

 

[SmoothOperator]

Welcome SouthernCharm!!
*Both you and Old Steve's thoughts had me thinking and whatever it is that had Karen immediately hysterical and knowing that the situation was dire.. We know she was obviously hesitant for some reason to share this with Clint, ATLEAST in the first phonecall when Holly and perp were still in the garage.. It does certainly appear as tho there was something that she knew and that she felt she could somehow fix, help, or remedy by her getting there!! KWIM??
Seems as tho there was definitely something specific that Karen ATLEAST thought was happening at her house concern g Holly and her only priority was that she had to get there immediately(of course as any mother would) but where it differs is that most mothers with communicating with their adult son that is already there and present for whatever this dire situation is that is occurring they would be saying I'm on my way, I'm almost there stop your sister now!! Don't let them leave!!

Karen doesn't do this.. Clint gets off the first call with no feelings of there being anything wrong.. Karen is in grave fear of something that she feels is occurring but it's like she's gotta get there to fix it!! It's like she felt if she could just get there she could fix whatever this dire situation was.. Definitely feels as tho it was something specific she had in mind as to what was occurring stranger doesn't fit.. There is something about the situation that IMO Clint had no knowledge of whatsoever.. But Karen did.. Karen knew full well that something specific was happening and she wasn't willing to have Clint know.. I guess with her speaking to Clint and hearing that Holly and whoever it was being in the garage that she believed at that point she could get there before they left.. And when she hears from Clint in that second call that they've walked off inti the woods it's almost as if Karen knew she was too late and the panic is at full throttle hanging up and calling 911 again..

There is something there that Karen knew.. There is a situation that Karen knew and Clint did not.. There is something so much more to this than what we know and the answers lie with those closest to Holly..

 

[Soulmagent]

I havent followed every detail of the case,but I did watch the news release where KB was freaking out while her husband seemed calm. My first thought on the subject was wow she reminds me of Tabitha Cardenas her reactions were much the same way Tabitha's were.

I also feel like Tabitha had been threatend before and thats why she broke down in spite of saying Jose wouldnt hurt Juilani. KB could have been threatend before in much the same way.

 

[JeannieC]

One thought stays with me throughout Holly's disappearance. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".


Maybe the Bobo's are doing exactly that.

moo

 

[x_files]

Hi...long time lurker. I've been following this case from day one and something that stands out to me. KB talks/texts with Drew daily/often? Does anyone remember if this was prior to Holly being missing or after that they talk and text so much? From what I recall it was prior. Does this not seem odd? I personally see it as odd. No matter how close someone is to their daughter and her boyfriend it just doesn't seem normal to talk or text that often!

As terrible as this thought is I can't help but wonder was there more going on than meets the eye? Is KB protecting Drew? Have Drews whereabouts been confirmed that morning? Why did Clint automatically assume it was Drew that he saw with Holly? What if was Drew?

What if...and I am going out on a limb here because I cannot remember if Drew has a concrete alliby. What if Karen and Drew had something between them and Holly found out? What if Drew talked to Karen that morning to alert her that Holly knew something and he then went to the Bobo home to talk to Holly before she left for her exam and things got out of hand? What if Karen is now protecting him because she can't bare the truth to come out.

I feel bad for even allowing my thoughts to go there, especially not remembering all the facts. The story has changed so much that I can keep up with all the details. I am just going on the things I remember and things that stand out as odd to me.

It crossed my mind too.

 

[Advocate1]

I am catching up but after being gone and reading today I am thinking a little different.

The birthday benefit being cancelled doesn't seem super weird and isn't that a different one then the one on the 1st?
Now if Karen really say what the lady on FB posted I am very disturbed.
Out of all the reasons to cancel it I can't believe she would actually say that.
Plus what do they have "enough" of?

I am really starting to think that someone in a " authority " position could be involved here.
I can't think of any other reasons why LE and the family are acting like this.

If someone with that kind of influence is involved then maybe that's why LE statements in this case have been so unclear and cryptic.
It would explain why the family is not asking the general public for help but are asking the president. It would also explain why it seems LE seems to want to keep everyone in the dark too. If it was the milkmans son people wouldn't become nearly as hostile and conflicted. In a small town this would be necessary to hope for a prosecution.
Just some thoughts

Asking for the President's help is another clue, imo If you put the pieces together it starts making sense or I'm just a loon. :crazy:

 

[Oriah]

So, folks.... here's a thought... let's take a look at Holly's case from the completely opposite direction. The direction that does not seek to find fault or error in every facet of the Bobo's family, friends, community, and LE's lives.

Let's say this is a very close family who loves and cares for one another greatly.
Let's say Holly and Drew love one another, and have plans to marry.
Let's say that people worldwide hunt- and if you don't, that's fine. But many do.
Let's say that camo is popular in your region, for whatever reason.
Let's say that people worldwide practice religions of all sorts, and often their religious beliefs lead them to seek comfort in times of despair within their religious community.
Let's say Drew is like a son to the Bobo's.
Let's say KB and Drew speak or email or text daily now, because they are in tremendous pain and it is quite normal for people suffering loss to seek out contact with others they know to be suffering the same pain.
Let's say remaining in regular contact with people who are suffering from a loss is a kindness and an empathy; a daily update and well-being check...not a 'wierdness.'
Let's say that just because the Bobo's are not giving the general public details about the status of their kidnapped daughters' case, it does not mean they are guilty of anything.
Let's say that we DO have verified information from the FBI to work with- and a "he said/she said/they said approach" does absolutely nothing to help find Holly.
Let's say there are clearly multiple LE agencies working to find Holly.
Let's say that instead of picking apart the Bobo's and LE, we pick apart the media.

Jeez, peeps- I apologize for the rant- but I'm sure ya'll can tell I am frustrated.

WS'ers, we can do better than this.

 

[~n/t~]

Good advice from John Walsh back on April 23rd.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4659531/john-walsh-on-st-louis-jailbreak-holly-bobo-case

 

[Oriah]

n/t- I'm out in field and dont have audio right now- could you paraphrase for me so I can understand the reference? TIA.

 

[~n/t~]

It would be great to know what areas were searched so they can be ruled out. Is there a map anywhere? Has anyone created a map of areas where searches were done? Have they searched near or around churches? From what I understand this is a religious community so the perp may have done harm to Holly and in his own delusional mind thought he would be forgiven if he buried her near a church.

They seemed to be too focused to the woods. They should expand the search, imo

 

[~n/t~]

n/t- I'm out in field and dont have audio right now- could you paraphrase for me so I can understand the reference? TIA.

He's working very closely with the Bobo family and LE. He says Clint should take a polygraph immediately so he could be ruled out.

This was back in April so don't know if he's still involved with the family and LE or whether CB did or did not adhere to his advice.

 

[~n/t~]

Dr. Koblinsky also said in one of the interviews back in April that a THOROUGH search should be done.

If you click on "dragged bobo away", it will bring up Dr. K's interview.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/18/earlyshow/main20054812.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

 

[TxLady2]

So, folks.... here's a thought... let's take a look at Holly's case from the completely opposite direction. The direction that does not seek to find fault or error in every facet of the Bobo's family, friends, community, and LE's lives.

Let's say this is a very close family who loves and cares for one another greatly.
Let's say Holly and Drew love one another, and have plans to marry.
Let's say that people worldwide hunt- and if you don't, that's fine. But many do.
Let's say that camo is popular in your region, for whatever reason.
Let's say that people worldwide practice religions of all sorts, and often their religious beliefs lead them to seek comfort in times of despair within their religious community.
Let's say Drew is like a son to the Bobo's.
Let's say KB and Drew speak or email or text daily now, because they are in tremendous pain and it is quite normal for people suffering loss to seek out contact with others they know to be suffering the same pain.
Let's say remaining in regular contact with people who are suffering from a loss is a kindness and an empathy; a daily update and well-being check...not a 'wierdness.'
Let's say that just because the Bobo's are not giving the general public details about the status of their kidnapped daughters' case, it does not mean they are guilty of anything.
Let's say that we DO have verified information from the FBI to work with- and a "he said/she said/they said approach" does absolutely nothing to help find Holly.
Let's say there are clearly multiple LE agencies working to find Holly.
Let's say that instead of picking apart the Bobo's and LE, we pick apart the media.

Jeez, peeps- I apologize for the rant- but I'm sure ya'll can tell I am frustrated.

WS'ers, we can do better than this.

Great post!