TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[mountainguy777]

This perp took Holly with him, despite the fact that he knew CB was home. Think about it.. What sort of suspect would abduct somebody with the family in the house? They don't leave blood either. Never heard of such a thing. My suspicions tell me she was injured and it could have been by a stray bullet. W/O a trail, she was either placed in a vehicle right at the carport (making CB's acct void) or she was carried to a vehicle, again making CB's acct void.

No one will convince me that she carried all her stuff with her and walked quietly into the woods after being injured. It makes no sense...none.

Because I believe this, I am highly suspicious of what CB saw. Reading his statement, I come to believe that he was watching this take place from outside the house. All this is speculative, of course. If I am correct, then CB has way more information to give LE, if he hasn't done so.

The abduction does not play out for me. She either left willingly or she left injured or worse. I haven't seen a case where a sex offender behaved in this manner w/o being psychotic.

So, this is either a crazy SO gone wild or a home-grown crime (somebody very well known to the Bobos)

Clint's account has Holly leaving willingly. Basically strolling into the woods with perp. If thats true, how does the blood even fit into this? Must have been a very minor wound. Or........they stroll into woods, clint looks away, they come back to carport and thats when the blood is drawn before tossing Holly into a car.

 

[docwho3]

I do not doubt your logic, and what you bring up does tend
to happen a lot more than we would like to believe,. . .

Thank you for the kind response.

. . .If you believe that she was abducted during the time
she would normally walk out her door and walk to her car in the morning,
would you not agree a prowler type of person would of needed to be at
the right spot at the right time with the mindset of abducting anybody
that spots them and the ability to remove a person from their property in
a timely fashion, which is much harder than an inanimate object. . .

Let me break this quote down into smaller parts to better respond to
particular points.

. . .If you believe that she was abducted during the time
she would normally walk out her door and walk to her car in the morning, . . .

I think it likely this was her usual approximate time to leave
since her dad made some remarks (in news reports) about the perp
probably knew the family's routine.

. . .would you not agree a prowler type of person would
of needed to be at the right spot at the right time . . .

Sure, he must have been there at the right approx. time but consider that
he might have been out hunting and/or out stealing early in the morning
and so that time of morning just naturally was when he would be there.
Perhaps he saw the others leave and then thought anyone left would
probably sleep in until a late hour. Either way his being there at that time
of day can be accounted for by either hunting and/or thieving.
I am not saying it can not have been a plan to abduct but just that there
is nothing to indicate it so far.

. . .Also consider where this house is. It is in the middle
of nowhere. I find it hard to believe somebody would stumble upon it,
someone would probably need to target this house specifically.

A hunter could happen onto it. But I agree that it is also possible the
property was targeted on purpose. Perhaps he wanted to look it over for
a possible burglary attempt later.

. . .with the mindset of abducting anybody
that spots them . . .

Not sure we can draw many conclusions
about mindset. He might have just panicked but I admit I too wondered
why he did not just run away once she spotted him on the property
and it made me think perhaps he was afraid of her getting out the alarm
too soon and her being able to ID him if he is caught.
So why be worried about a simple tresspassing charge?
Perhaps he was already on parole.
Perhaps he had a methlab thing going on at home & did not want that
found out which might result in actual prison time.
Perhaps he thinks he is wanted for a murder or other serious crime
elsewhere and thus can't afford to be caught.

. . .and the ability to remove a person from their property in
a timely fashion, which is much harder than an inanimate object. . .

She walked away with him. Having drawn her blood and scared her
enough it seems she was quite docile and mobile for him as
evidenced by the eye witness account (The eye witness having seen her
appearing docile and mobile.) and by the fact that the two
got out of the area quietly and easily (relatively speaking.)

Note: Thank you again for the thoughtful post. I enjoyed reading your
points and I continue to think about them.
Hopefully the truth will come out in time and I hope to learn from the
case outcome.

 

[Plumeria5]

How do we know he knew Clint was home? Clint never confronted anyone.

Not only that but... (and this is probably far-fetched)how do we know Clint was really home? Did CB call on a cell or land-line and did his mom call him on his cell or home phone? Just throwing this out there.

 

[goodgirl65]

The idea has crossed my mind lately that perhaps there was somebody hunting too close to or on the Bobo's property and perhaps Holly was hit with a stray bullet. The hunter may have panicked, lying and telling Holly he would take her to the hospital...Maybe he honestly tried to take Holly to get help, leading her out to his ATV...if she was in shock she would have went with him quietly enough...
What happens after? He decides its too much of a risk to let her live, knowing he was illegally hunting on her property and that the bullet could help trace back to him, so he killed her. OR she died very soon after heading into the woods and he panicked and hid her body.

 

[docwho3]

The idea has crossed my mind lately that perhaps there was somebody
hunting too close to or on the Bobo's property and perhaps Holly was hit
with a stray bullet. The hunter may have panicked, lying and telling Holly
he would take her to the hospital...Maybe he honestly tried to take Holly
to get help, leading her out to his ATV...if she was in shock she would
have went with him quietly enough...
What happens after? He decides its too much of a risk to let her live,
knowing he was illegally hunting on her property and that the bullet could
help trace back to him, so he killed her. OR she died very soon after
heading into the woods and he panicked and hid her body.

I honestly believe she would have wanted to go inside her home
immediately if shot in some accidental way and probably would have called
out for her brother.

Still, the possibility of someone hunting illegally close to the home and
thus being seen when Holly stepped outside did cross my mind.
Not quite sure how things would have progressed from there but I do not
think she was injured by a stray bullet.
Perhaps the abduction was then to shut her up about the violation
but, again, I have to wonder what he was covering up that would
need an abduction to keep it quiet?
A gun/hunting violation does not seem to be motivation enough by itself.
Perhaps it was a gun in the hands of a felon?

(And I also do not yet know if the perp was seen carrying a gun to hunt
with or some other weapon or any other weapon other than perhaps a
knife. Perhaps the weapon was mentioned somewhere and I missed it in
my hurry to read other case details. I do not say he did not have a
hunting weapon. It just irks me to have not seen its description
mentioned in news reports.)

 

[~n/t~]

The idea has crossed my mind lately that perhaps there was somebody hunting too close to or on the Bobo's property and perhaps Holly was hit with a stray bullet. The hunter may have panicked, lying and telling Holly he would take her to the hospital...Maybe he honestly tried to take Holly to get help, leading her out to his ATV...if she was in shock she would have went with him quietly enough...
What happens after? He decides its too much of a risk to let her live, knowing he was illegally hunting on her property and that the bullet could help trace back to him, so he killed her. OR she died very soon after heading into the woods and he panicked and hid her body.

Good theory but wouldn't there be a trail of blood leading into the woods? Maybe there was and we weren't told? The only info we have is the pool of blood in the carport and it belongs to Holly.

Also, if Holly was injured would she be walking side by side with the suspect as Clint described it?

I'm also thinking hunting accident but FBI says it's a kidnapping so it must be then. :innocent:

 

[~n/t~]

I honestly believe she would have wanted to go inside her home
immediately if shot in some accidental way and probably would have called
out for her brother.

Still, the possibility of someone hunting illegally close to the home and
thus being seen when Holly stepped outside did cross my mind.
Not quite sure how things would have progressed from there but I do not
think she was injured by a stray bullet.
Perhaps the abduction was then to shut her up about the violation
but, again, I have to wonder what he was covering up that would
need an abduction to keep it quiet?
A gun/hunting violation does not seem to be motivation enough by itself.
Perhaps it was a gun in the hands of a felon?

(And I also do not yet know if the perp was seen carrying a gun to hunt
with or some other weapon or any other weapon other than perhaps a
knife. Perhaps the weapon was mentioned somewhere and I missed it in
my hurry to read other case details. I do not say he did not have a
hunting weapon. It just irks me to have not seen its description
mentioned in news reports.)

No mention of a weapon. We don't even know what caused the pool of blood in the carport. We have nothing except that it was a kidnapping based on Clint Bobo's eye witness account and Karen Bobo's word that it wasn't Holly's boyfriend with Holly walking away into the woods.

 

[Oriah]

No mention of a weapon. We don't even know what caused the pool of blood in the carport. We have nothing except that it was a kidnapping based on Clint Bobo's eye witness account and Karen Bobo's word that it wasn't Holly's boyfriend with Holly walking away into the woods.

n/t- this post reminded me of a case we worked several years ago, where there was a small amount of blood found at a site that after DNA testing, matched the missing person.

It actually turned out to be menstrual blood- the missing person had a spontaneous abortion very early into a pregnancy. LE had assumed at the time that the woman had been injured violently while in her vehicle (because the blood sample was obtained from the driver's seat, she had an angry boyfriend- and then poof- she was gone.)

That assumption turned out to be completely wrong. She had exited the vehicle, wandered down a road feeling very off and disoriented- and then passed out.

My point of this ramble? We have no idea what may have caused Holly's blood to be at the site- there are a LOT of possibilities.

So thank you for pointing that out.

 

[wfgodot]

n/t- this post reminded me of a case we worked several years ago, where there was a small amount of blood found at a site that after DNA testing, matched the missing person.

It actually turned out to be menstrual blood-

My point of this ramble? We have no idea what may have caused Holly's blood to be at the site- there are a LOT of possibilities.

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Thanks Oriah - I thought about the menstrual possibility early on, right after LE verified the blood as Holly's. Hearing from an expert like you that this could be the case is gratifying!

 

[Oriah]

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Thanks Oriah - I thought about the menstrual possibility early on, right after LE verified the blood as Holly's. Hearing from an expert like you that this could be the case is gratifying!

I'm no expert in this, lol. But it sure did get me to thinking early on in Holly's case that the assumptions made about the blood found might not be due to an 'injury' per say. We don't have any indication of that- unless I missed something somewhere. :waitasec:

Idk... I have a friend who in college used to sometimes (literally) sink to the ground and get all shocky-like when she was menstruating. It was frequently exacerbated by not eating regularly, and being exhausted from being up half the night studying.

I have wondered if Holly may have been in that situation, and someone may have taken advantage of it.

Oh Holly- where are you, honey? still looking VERY hard for you...

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The problem we have here at Websleuths is that, for the most part, we are operating on exactly the same basic info that we had since the beginning

To me, something is not "right" about the case, but I have no idea where to start with that. It could be a lot of little things... who knows.

So True--"Something is not "right" about the case".......maybe we should start over from the beginning. But look at it differently like plaidmom mentioned.

I've also thought about the fact that Clint "wasn't supposed to be home" (per several interviews). How would this whole case be different if Clint wasn't home that morning?

.....or how about going back to the VERY beginning and working with the first report of a "home invasion". Would this make better sense out of the info we do have. I do think , Clint's presence that day was not planned on by the perps . I think it was mentioned that Clint's car was in the garage, so on exterior evidence , only Holly was there.

I have to say it is my belief it was a home invasion gone wrong due to Clint being home.
There were multiple people involved.
I believe Clint may have been hurt in the altercation (why we did not see him immediately after the crime).
I believe for some reason LE does not want "home invasion" mentioned, possibly due to the safety of Holly.
I believe Le has worked with the family to establish the "witness statement" (possibly why there is so many versions)
I believe Le as well as Clint and the Bobo's know who MAY be responsible, but for some reason were unable to act upon that knowledge for a time.
I also believe everyone involved believed they would be able to find Holly safe, and the perps responsible would of been given up by now-Reward money.
I also believe I will be "stuck" with believing it may have been a Home Invasion , because the story we have now makes absolutely no sense.

Unfortunately I also believe LE, the Bobo family, and the public, is "stuck" with Clint story, and still do not have Holly or her abductors, and the Mysterious events surrounding the truth, continue.....:twocents:

 

[wfgodot]

I'm no expert in this, lol. But it sure did get me to thinking early on in Holly's case that the assumptions made about the blood found might not be due to an 'injury' per say. We don't have any indication of that- unless I missed something somewhere. :waitasec:

Idk... I have a friend who in college used to sometimes (literally) sink to the ground and get all shocky-like when she was menstruating. It was frequently exacerbated by not eating regularly, and being exhausted from being up half the night studying.

I have wondered if Holly may have been in that situation, and someone may have taken advantage of it.

Oh Holly- where are you, honey? still looking VERY hard for you...

Yep, were the blood not the result of an injury to Holly from perp-ola, it fits the apparent fact that she was calmly escorted into the woods better.

No screams apparently by house. They (evidently, who knows) came later, from the woods (perhaps). That's where I would have expected them to have found blood.

 

[cluciano63]

I am still scratching my head as to why this case is under "Hot Cases." There is absolutely no known activity or new information as far as I can tell. Until and unless the family calls a press conference, or LE does, I can't think of anything to say about this case that hasn't been hashed over doznes of times.

 

[~n/t~]

The woman with the tattoo was identified. She's from TN murderered by a truck driver. Could this guy have connections to other cases?

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[OldSteve]

Two points I think are very good that I snipped from:

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1) For all we know this was not the first time this abductor had their trap set for HB only to not follow through.

2) Also, if you want to consider that somebody lay in wait a long time for HB or somehow came upon her on her property in the middle of nowhere, I would ask this.

The perp IMO acted with precision and seemed to know Clint would not be a threat.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Not only that but... (and this is probably far-fetched)how do we know Clint was really home? Did CB call on a cell or land-line and did his mom call him on his cell or home phone? Just throwing this out there.

Also, I'm not so sure Holly slept at home the night before the abduction. I still believe it is a strong possibility that she returned home that morning to pick up her lunch. And she was FOLLOWED home by the perp.

JMO

 

[goodgirl65]

Also, I'm not so sure Holly slept at home the night before the abduction. I still believe it is a strong possibility that she returned home that morning to pick up her lunch. And she was FOLLOWED home by the perp.

JMO

If she did come home that morning then it was very early;I believe Karen Bobo said she saw her daughter studying for her exam around 4:30am. The perp would have had to wait a few hours for her to come out.

 

[cluciano63]

If she did come home that morning then it was very early;I believe Karen Bobo said she saw her daughte studying for her exam around 4:30am. The perp would have had to wait a few hours for her to come out.

Maybe he was prepared to wait. I've often thought someone followed her, made themselves comfortable and waited for their chance. They had seen the two adults leave, so when Holly came out, probably assumed the house was empty, not a bad assumption overall.

 

[wishuwerehere]

If she did come home that morning then it was very early;I believe Karen Bobo said she saw her daughte studying for her exam around 4:30am. The perp would have had to wait a few hours for her to come out.

Actually, Karen Bobo has stated that she spoke to Holly that morning, and Holly told her she had been studying since 4:30 a.m. Karen has never stated what time she actually saw Holly that morning, if at all.

JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

Maybe he was prepared to wait. I've often thought someone followed her, made themselves comfortable and waited for their chance. They had seen the two adults leave, so when Holly came out, probably assumed the house was empty, not a bad assumption overall.

I wonder where Holly was the night before and when she came home. Someone could have followed her home then and hid all night watching them come and go.