TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[~n/t~]

I read it too...it provides an alibi for Drew.

or not. Still very fuzzy, imo. Hope the Jackson Sun will post it online so we can discuss it. The timeline makes no sense.

 

[Oriah]

WS is considered a victim friendly forum and I get that but yet I see an issue with certain cases and not others. I guess that's where my confusion lies.

BBM and respectfully snipped for space:

My opinion only- there are several different reasons for this- and perhaps we should ask a mod, because a lot of these issues revolve around WS's TOS.
No one has been publically named a POI in Holly's case. That is different than LE saying 'no one is cleared.' I can understand how this can be confusing.

When designations (such as 'missing', 'runaway', 'endangered missing' 'abducted', 'kidnapped' etc) are changed in LE released info, then it is typically because further intelligence has been gained in an investigation, and the direction of the investigation- as result of further intelligence- has shifted in focus. That does not mean that LE is ruling out their intial focus or direction of a case- just that they have expanded it.

And then to further confuse, lol- in the meantime not all media is created equal- and a lot of sources are a day late and a dollar short. So confusion begins to spread like a bad game of 'telephone.' Thus- rumor.

Does that make any sense?

 

[~n/t~]

WS is considered a victim friendly forum and I get that but yet I see an issue with certain cases and not others. I guess that's where my confusion lies.

BBM and respectfully snipped for space:

My opinion only- there are several different reasons for this- and perhaps we should ask a mod, because a lot of these issues revolve around WS's TOS.
No one has been publically named a POI in Holly's case. That is different than LE saying 'no one is cleared.' I can understand how this can be confusing.

When designations (such as 'missing', 'runaway', 'endangered missing' 'abducted', 'kidnapped' etc) are changed in LE released info, then it is typically because further intelligence has been gained in an investigation, and the direction of the investigation- as result of further intelligence- has shifted in focus. That does not mean that LE is ruling out their intial focus or direction of a case- just that they have expanded it.

And then to further confuse, lol- in the meantime not all media is created equal- and a lot of sources are a day late and a day short. So confusion begins to spread like a bad game of 'telephone.' Thus- rumor.

Does that make any sense?

Did you watch the video? Oriah, he specifically answered the reporters question about Clint and Drew. He said <paraphrasing> that nobody has been ruled out and they could end up being "subjects". IMO, although nobody has been specifically been named POI in this case, the focus still remains on the brother and boyfriend as well as others. In addition, this is not just some reporter who fudged the wording or misquoted in a written media report. It came straight from the TBI director's own mouth. On video. On record.

We can interpret words like "subjects" to mean nothing or we we can interpret it to mean POI.

If I have time today after my turkey dinner, I will try to transcribe the video. Yes, it's Thanksgiving up here. I'll never look at a turkey the same way again. Maybe I'll have fish instead.:floorlaugh:

 

[~n/t~]

BTW.....It has always been my theory that this was some tragic accident. I posted my theory in the basement. I continue to believe it was and the recent Jackson Sun article (not published on MSM yet but on another site) further reinforces my belief.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

What I would like him to say is, “On the morning of April 13th this is what happened…” Instead he tells us what he does every other morning. It’s very ambiguous to me. Just tell it like it is. Who cares what happened on all the other mornings before April 13th?

Like I said, I hope the rest of the article is more straightforward than this “teaser”.

JMO

I dont know... I think thats just wishful thinking. I see nothing wrong with his statement. But its not necessarily his own words anyway as its been transcribed and set into a story like article.

His point I think also was to say this morning was just like any other morning.

Probably whatever they say someone will complain it does not answer the question of the meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

BTW.....It has always been my theory that this was some tragic accident. I posted my theory in the basement. I continue to believe it was and the recent Jackson Sun article (not published on MSM yet but on another site) further reinforces my belief.

The problem I have with that scenario is WHY go through 6 months of searching, quitting your job to search, going on national TV to get your story out, etc.

 

[Oriah]

Did you watch the video? Oriah, he specifically answered the reporters question about Clint and Drew. He said <paraphrasing> that nobody has been ruled out and they could end up being "subjects". IMO, although nobody has been specifically been named POI in this case, the focus still remains on the brother and boyfriend as well as others. In addition, this is not just some reporter who fudged the wording or misquoted in a written media report. It came straight from the TBI director's own mouth. On video. On record.

We can interpret words like "subjects" to mean nothing or we we can interpret it to mean POI.

If I have time today after my turkey dinner, I will try to transcribe the video. Yes, it's Thanksgiving up here. I'll never look at a turkey the same way again. Maybe I'll have fish instead.:floorlaugh:

Happy Thanksgiving!

I did watch the video that was posted awhile back (the one you linked to most recently came up as a different one for me.)

It seems we might be debating the same point.
This is my understanding:
A released name as a 'person of interest', or a 'suspect' to the general public by LE = ok to sleuth under WS's TOS.

If a person or persons who are considered victims in a case according to WS's TOS are named publically- or name themselves, such as in a public interview- but not named by LE- as a 'person of interest' or 'suspect' - then ok to sleuth- but only in a victim friendly fashion.

LE stating that 'no one is cleared', or someone 'may' become a person of interest, means that (on WS's) they are still innocent, not considered a POI or suspect, and therefore should only be sleuthed in a victim friendly fashion.

I'm gonna alert on my own post here, so that I can make sure I am understanding WS's TOS, lol.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Well in that "Teaser" it mentions that various LE agencies arrived at 8:05, 10 minutes after being last seen by Clint. Can that be right?? How is it they found no trace of Holly, her belongings,or a trail in the "supposed" woods she "strolled" into with camo man. WTH! was she Airlifted?

Guess had they set up immediate road blocks we might not have an unsolved crime. This is just too bazaar!

After reading the entire Jackson Sun "teaser" I would also like to add:

The article stated that the woods outside of Holly's home were chilly and damp with a temp of 41 degrees, and an inch of rain fell the day before.

-----So in addition to there being no sign of Holly within 10 minutes of her disappearance:
There also were no "footprints" ? One would think if an inch of rain fell the day before and the morning was chilly and damp, the ground would be in perfect condition for "tracking" Footprints, car tracks, ATV tracks, drag marks etc.
Again I ask --Airlifted?

This "teaser" is very curious--if this is true it would seem LE should have had a wealth of information in arriving within a 10 minute window, wouldn't it??

 

[TxLady2]

BBM and respectfully snipped for space:

My opinion only- there are several different reasons for this- and perhaps we should ask a mod, because a lot of these issues revolve around WS's TOS.
No one has been publically named a POI in Holly's case. That is different than LE saying 'no one is cleared.' I can understand how this can be confusing.

When designations (such as 'missing', 'runaway', 'endangered missing' 'abducted', 'kidnapped' etc) are changed in LE released info, then it is typically because further intelligence has been gained in an investigation, and the direction of the investigation- as result of further intelligence- has shifted in focus. That does not mean that LE is ruling out their intial focus or direction of a case- just that they have expanded it.

And then to further confuse, lol- in the meantime not all media is created equal- and a lot of sources are a day late and a dollar short. So confusion begins to spread like a bad game of 'telephone.' Thus- rumor.

Does that make any sense?

It does to me.

 

[TxLady2]

Why can't Holly's parents be officially cleared, if they were both at work when Holly disappeared? Only explanation I can think of is, LE may think it is possible that Holly disappeared earlier than was reported. Dad talking to her through the door at 5:30 leaves almost 2 hours between then and when the kidnapping was reported. Clint was the only other person at home, thus the only eyewitness. I can see why he hasn't been cleared. I can't think of any other reason why the parents can't be cleared.

n/t's theory that it was an accident is making more and more sense, but there should have been some indication of an accident, a lot of blood for instance. LE is usually pretty good at finding evidence that would suggest an accident, things we might not even notice. It would be good to know just how much blood was found in the carport or driveway, whether it was a small amount, a few drops or a lot.

I think the media can screw things up in their reporting, and sometimes changing stories can be attributed to them or to LE rather than the family. TBI altered the "dragging" to being led into the woods. Some reporter or a cop could have chosen that word rather than Clint, because we don't know what he actually said to LE that morning, AFAIK.

 

[cluciano63]

Why couldn't this entire detailed story have been released months ago? I am not seeing anything there that could have "comprised" any investigation. If this story is the way it happened, I really do not understand all of the silence and few little "clues" here and there these past many months...JMO

 

[cluciano63]

The story is posted on the wbsite Scared Monkey, one we can't link here.

 

[wfgodot]

The story is posted on the wbsite Scared Monkey, one we can't link here.

Thanks, cluciano63.

 

[Salem]

Happy Thanksgiving!

I did watch the video that was posted awhile back (the one you linked to most recently came up as a different one for me.)

It seems we might be debating the same point.
This is my understanding:
A released name as a 'person of interest', or a 'suspect' to the general public by LE = ok to sleuth under WS's TOS.

If a person or persons who are considered victims in a case according to WS's TOS are named publically- or name themselves, such as in a public interview- but not named by LE- as a 'person of interest' or 'suspect' - then ok to sleuth- but only in a victim friendly fashion.

LE stating that 'no one is cleared', or someone 'may' become a person of interest, means that (on WS's) they are still innocent, not considered a POI or suspect, and therefore should only be sleuthed in a victim friendly fashion.

I'm gonna alert on my own post here, so that I can make sure I am understanding WS's TOS, lol.

Expanding on Oriah's post a bit - the rule is, "if they are not named as a POI or suspect, but have made statements to the media or LE has released info about them", and they are a family member/victim, all sleuthing must be in the context of whatever the person has said to the media or whatever LE has said. In other words, you cannot take it further than what has been released.

So Holly's brother may be sleuthed in the context of his statements to MSM and LE and that is the end of the line.

Hope that helps.

Also, would someone please repost the link to the video? I haven't seen it yet.

TIA,

Salem

 

[~n/t~]

Expanding on Oriah's post a bit - the rule is, "if they are not named as a POI or suspect, but have made statements to the media or LE has released info about them", and they are a family member/victim, all sleuthing must be in the context of whatever the person has said to the media or whatever LE has said. In other words, you cannot take it further than what has been released.

So Holly's brother may be sleuthed in the context of his statements to MSM and LE and that is the end of the line.

Hope that helps.

Also, would someone please repost the link to the video? I haven't seen it yet.

TIA,

Salem

Here it is.

Nobody ruled out in Holly Bobo investigation - YouTube

 

[~n/t~]

BTW...thanks for clarifying Salem.

 

[Soulmagent]

Why couldn't this entire detailed story have been released months ago? I am not seeing anything there that could have "comprised" any investigation. If this story is the way it happened, I really do not understand all of the silence and few little "clues" here and there these past many months...JMO

It sure sounds fishy for DS.

The other side of town ,a few minutes delay in information can add or take away fifteen minutes. So if someone questions drew about being on the property drew gets it worked out but doesnt call to tell the story until he is gone from the place he was hunting ... he could have been halfway back by the time they called. Yet he could still be acting as if he was there and not answering his phone because he was hunting.

Maybe why the information wasnt released. I still dont understand what makes the mom so sure it couldnt have been Drew . She would have to had her eyes on him to know for a fact.

Was his home searched? Also did anyone call out of work from Dana's job that day?

I have to say I do think he might be ann unnamed suspect because you just cant clear him. He could have set his phone down and let it in those woods as he made his way across town and answered the phone when he got back and acted as if he was there the whole time. IMO. I dont think they can really clear him or his dad if his dad was with him.

 

[~n/t~]

Why can't Holly's parents be officially cleared, if they were both at work when Holly disappeared? Only explanation I can think of is, LE may think it is possible that Holly disappeared earlier than was reported. Dad talking to her through the door at 5:30 leaves almost 2 hours between then and when the kidnapping was reported. Clint was the only other person at home, thus the only eyewitness. I can see why he hasn't been cleared. I can't think of any other reason why the parents can't be cleared.

n/t's theory that it was an accident is making more and more sense, but there should have been some indication of an accident, a lot of blood for instance. LE is usually pretty good at finding evidence that would suggest an accident, things we might not even notice. It would be good to know just how much blood was found in the carport or driveway, whether it was a small amount, a few drops or a lot.

I think the media can screw things up in their reporting, and sometimes changing stories can be attributed to them or to LE rather than the family. TBI altered the "dragging" to being led into the woods. Some reporter or a cop could have chosen that word rather than Clint, because we don't know what he actually said to LE that morning, AFAIK.

FWIW...the word used in the new article that will be released soon from Jackson Sun but already posted on various other sites is "puddle of blood". To me, puddle is a significant amount of blood. With that in mind, I'm having a heck of hard time figuring out why there was no other tracking of blood towards the woods if Clint did indeed see them walking off side by side. She was extremely injured, imo and walking side by side with the suspect makes absolutely no sense.

Holly was put into a vehicle immediately, imo. Possibly the trunk of a car.

 

[Frogzilla]

WOW! That is what I will say about this newest telling of the story. Really though, it is the same reaction I have had whenever new info comes out in this case, mostly because it doesn't really jive well with me. Though this article does clarify some of the rumors that have been out there, I have to say I see some things in there that really caught my eye, especially when you match it up with previous versions of the story. I do not want to jump in head first, I will wait for others to get the ball rolling. For every question answered, it raises other, very specific questions. It cannot be forgotten that there is probably important info being withheld, but something still seems very off with this whole situation and the more info released to the public, the more I am starting to wonder.....about a lot of things.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I dont know... I think thats just wishful thinking. I see nothing wrong with his statement. But its not necessarily his own words anyway as its been transcribed and set into a story like article.

His point I think also was to say this morning was just like any other morning.

Probably whatever they say someone will complain it does not answer the question of the meaning of Life, the Universe and Everything...

BBM - Your sarcastic posts are not helping to find Holly.

I have my opinion about the article. You asked a question and I answered it. Yet, your post indicates that you believe your opinion is the only one that counts. Please refrain from attacking my posts just because you disagree.

Also, I would appreciate your not representing your opinions as fact, just because it&#8217;s your opinion.

Unless you have inside knowledge, you&#8217;re just another sleuther like the rest of us.

Let&#8217;s Find Holly.

Respectfully,
Wishuwerehere