TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[Plumeria5]

I haven't. Maybe if you described it in only the most general of terms. Can't think what video you could be talking about. (I haven't even seen the karaoke one or whatever it is, in the car.)

Ok...here goes. A group of people are watching 2 young men fighting, and a girl is yelling out what to do to the other guy. It is hard to tell if it is HB but someone says it is. So I am wondering if that was her, she might have made an enemy that day.

 

[wfgodot]

Ok...here goes. A group of people are watching 2 young men fighting, and a girl is yelling out what to do to the other guy. It is hard to tell if it is HB but someone says it is. So I am wondering if that was her, she might have made an enemy that day.

Oh! Okay, I did read of that earlier on here though I'm not sure the source (can't remember who) exactly pitched it as something I'd consider authentic. I forgot. Thank you!

 

[Plumeria5]

Oh! Okay, I did read of that earlier on here though I'm not sure the source (can't remember who) exactly pitched it as something I'd consider authentic. I forgot. Thank you!

I was kind of surprised because if it is her it seemed out of character because she has been described as shy.

 

[cluciano63]

I have seen that video talked about elsewhere and saw a tiny bit of it, I did not think it was Holly but JMO.

 

[Plumeria5]

I have seen that video talked about elsewhere and saw a tiny bit of it, I did not think it was Holly but JMO.

It is hard to tell if it is or not.

 

[CanManEh]

No that's not the how it went. If you read the article, even after Karen told him it wasn't Drew he still thought it was Drew
Actually, I'll quote it for you:

"It was after I spoke with (Mom) that I walked into the kitchen and looked out the window and saw (Holly) and a man dressed in camouflage walking toward the woods," Clint said. "I called Holly's cell phone, and it rang five times and went to voicemail, and I called Drew's phone also, and the same thing happened. What that assured me was that they were in the same place because neither one of them answered their cell phone"

and then:

"Oh, my God, Clint!" Karen told her son. "That is not Drew! Call 911!"

Karen said she told Clint to get a gun and go after the man. She hung up to call 911 again and reached Decatur County. She still had not told Clint about Drew being on the other side of the county, and Clint said he still believed the man to be Holly's boyfriend.

and then:

"When I walked out the back door, I saw a small puddle of blood, and I still wasn't alarmed because who I thought was her boyfriend was dressed in camo," Clint said. "I thought, 'He's killed a turkey up here on this trail behind the house and brought it to the house to show Holly before she goes to school.'"

and then:

"The thing is there was no turkey," Clint said. "I wondered why they would take the turkey back to the woods unless they were walking back to put the turkey in his truck. I was not worried until the neighbor pulled up and said her son heard screams"


So yeah, I think he was convinced it was Drew until the neighbour pulled up.

After reading your quote Iam left wondering how clint was able to be on the phone with mom and at the same time call holly's and drew's cell phone cause it don't sound like he got off the phone with his mom ..Iam kinda surprised to be honest that hearing a scream was made to be a big deal they live in the woods god only knows what you might find waiting for you by the car or the car port thier coulda been a deer or a racoon a possum snake and she startled it and NO OFFENCE HERE but being a girl prolly she would let out a scream if something like that happened .My gramma goes screaming and running from seeing a toad you would think that the zodiac him self was after her lol...and lastly did clint ever get a gun and go out there after the guy or no.....

 

[~n/t~]

After reading your quote Iam left wondering how clint was able to be on the phone with mom and at the same time call holly's and drew's cell phone cause it don't sound like he got off the phone with his mom ..Iam kinda surprised to be honest that hearing a scream was made to be a big deal they live in the woods god only knows what you might find waiting for you by the car or the car port thier coulda been a deer or a racoon a possum snake and she startled it and NO OFFENCE HERE but being a girl prolly she would let out a scream if something like that happened .My gramma goes screaming and running from seeing a toad you would think that the zodiac him self was after her lol...and lastly did clint ever get a gun and go out there after the guy or no.....

Karen hung up and called 911 so Clint wasn't on the phone with her after the call. Yes he went and loaded a gun but I think he was so convinced it was Drew that he didn't bother going after them or even yelling out to them which I find very odd. He called them on their cell phones. Only when the neighbour shows up is when he realized it may not have been Drew and by that time, I guess it was too late because it seems like Holly vanished into thin air.

The only thing that stumps me from my tragic accident theory timeline is the scream that was heard at 7:40. The neighbour is the only non-family that puts Holly still at the house and possibly alive at 7:40.

Removing the scream leaves us with just a bunch of phone calls from family members starting at 7:00 am and Clint's version starting at 7:50. By 8:00 am we had cops, neighbour and family at the house.

In the most recent article, Karen doesn't mention talking to her mother (grandma) but IIRC, in a previous version she mentioned talking to her so I'm left wondering if she did or not and if indeed it was Drew who was on grandma's property or not.

 

[~n/t~]

I don't recall if it was mentioned when dad was called. I'll have to reread the article but he shows up at the house at 8:30. Wondering how far dad worked. Considering Karen was at the house by 8 am, wondered why it took dad 30 minutes? Was he called after Karen got to the house?

Timeline makes no sense. How could Karen be at the house by 8? It's impossible unless she was teleported. Clint woke at 7:50!

 

[~n/t~]

Nothing new in this Church article except grandma's name being mentioned. Not sure if it was revealed before.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=36315

 

[nosyone]

I hope I can attach a May 13th article from CBS news about "the One Clue Away", if not please remove this post.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20062568-504083.html

In the article, it states that LE feel sure it is someone local. After reading the WB board last evening about Karen being panicked from the phone call, I got to thinking about the "flurry" of phone calls between KB, DS and HB. It was stated that they were about Grandmother not recognizing DS turkey hunting on her land. If she knew DS well enough to say that she knew they hadn't been apart before the kidnapping, she would have known him turkey hunting. I think DS saw someone in the area that had threatened Holly and was calling KS and HB to warn them. Thus KB's panic.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I hope I can attach a May 13th article from CBS news about "the One Clue Away", if not please remove this post.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20062568-504083.html

In the article, it states that LE feel sure it is someone local. After reading the WB board last evening about Karen being panicked from the phone call, I got to thinking about the "flurry" of phone calls between KB, DS and HB. It was stated that they were about Grandmother not recognizing DS turkey hunting on her land. If she knew DS well enough to say that she knew they hadn't been apart before the kidnapping, she would have known him turkey hunting. I think DS saw someone in the area that had threatened Holly and was calling KS and HB to warn them. Thus KB's panic.

nosyone,

I was just about to post that maybe the "flurry" of phone calls was stated to cover for any phone record of them speaking. The hunting story was just a cover for those calls.

You may have hit the nail on the head with the "reason". That sure sounds very possible---and could explain why there was so much anxiety---in fact maybe Karen was already on her way home after that phone call at 7:30. that might also explain how she was able to get home so fast.:waitasec:

 

[concentric]

After reading your quote Iam left wondering how clint was able to be on the phone with mom and at the same time call holly's and drew's cell phone cause it don't sound like he got off the phone with his mom ..Iam kinda surprised to be honest that hearing a scream was made to be a big deal they live in the woods god only knows what you might find waiting for you by the car or the car port thier coulda been a deer or a racoon a possum snake and she startled it and NO OFFENCE HERE but being a girl prolly she would let out a scream if something like that happened .My gramma goes screaming and running from seeing a toad you would think that the zodiac him self was after her lol...and lastly did clint ever get a gun and go out there after the guy or no.....

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That is why some of us have been saying from the beginning that:

the abductor got control of her immediately

The blood shows that most likely a cutting weapon held to her throat, or punching her to cause bleeding, was used to take the wind out of her.

IMO, this would imply a "criminally sophisticated" perp. Someone who was skilled in disarming a victim so that she couldn't yell out for help, then gaining control by intimidation/fear so that she did what he said.

We know that we heard a scream at some point near the neighbor's house. I believe, Holly was being prepared to get gagged at that point, and so she tried with all of her might to scream out and attract attention.

I still think she could be alive.

 

[NCSleuth]

Questions about the timeline

7:40, Neighbor hears screams.
7:50, CB Wakes up. from last article "Clint said. "I woke up about 7:50, and I expected to see someone checking the meter, but I didn't see any vehicles."
CB also states he looked out the window, sees HB's car and calls his mom. She didn't answer.

From the previous interview, we know CB saw HB and unknown man in garage while on the phone with KB. So that had to be after this attempted call and after 7:50, since he didn't wake up until 7:50

Neighbor and first police get there right at 8:00.

So, between 7:50 and 8:00. CB sees them in the garage. Talked to his mom on the phone. gets off the phone, see them walking into the woods. talks to his mom again while they are walking. tries to call HB and Drew, then walks outside with a gun.

Thats a lot of activity in 10 minutes.

I really wish they would release the 911 tapes, or at least release the times of the tapes.

I am not accusing the family of anything, I just feel like some facts are missing. Maybe to protect HB.

Also, why in the latest article it doesn't mention seeing them and hearing them in the gargage. That seems like a very important point to me. Isn't that why he called KB, because he heard voices?

 

[marycarney]

The article is a good start, but there is something that the family knows that is being left out. NOT CLAIMING FAMILY INVOLVEMENT - just my opinion.

 

[Frogzilla]

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That is why some of us have been saying from the beginning that:

the abductor got control of her immediately

The blood shows that most likely a cutting weapon held to her throat, or punching her to cause bleeding, was used to take the wind out of her.

IMO, this would imply a "criminally sophisticated" perp. Someone who was skilled in disarming a victim so that she couldn't yell out for help, then gaining control by intimidation/fear so that she did what he said.

We know that we heard a scream at some point near the neighbor's house. I believe, Holly was being prepared to get gagged at that point, and so she tried with all of her might to scream out and attract attention.

I still think she could be alive.

I think your logic is sound enough, but there are factors in this case that we are aware of that really throw a curve ball at the typical abduction scenario, not to mention all the seemingly odd behaviors of everyone involved, abductor included. For one, if the scream is heard about 7:40 ish, we can assume that is when the encounter begins. CB does not wake up until 7:50, he eventually makes his way toward the window to see out in the garage, in the newest version he also looks around the house, sees HB car still there, looks in HB bedroom and looks out front for the meter reader. I would have to assume this is all before he looks toward the garage and sees silhouettes AND hears unfamiliar voices. We know from the JVM interview that CB called his mom to find out who was in the garage before he saw them walking away.
Here is a rough timeline to show what I mean-
7:40ish- encounter begins
7:50- CB wakes up, he moves around the house peaking around, sees silhouettes and hears unfamiliar voices in the garage, calls his mother who does not answer, mother then calls CB back to tell him that HB should be at school already. In the recent article, CB says he saw HB car there before he first talks to his mother. CB walks toward the kitchen and sees HB and abductor walking away. He calls HB and boyfriend phones, both ring 5 times then go to voicemail. CB talks to his mother again and this is when she tells him it cannot be the boyfriend. CB then grabs a loaded pistol and moves through the garage outside. How much time has elapsed doing all of this? 5? 8?10 minutes or so?
8:00ish- CB walks outside and sees blood, moves toward the woods and the neighbor pulls up, he then calls 911.
Point being that I had assumed HB and abductor spent maybe 5 minutes together before walking away, and that seemed a stretch to me. Now it is being inferred by the article that HB and abductor spent around 15 minutes together? WOW!!!!!
If the abductor is 6ft 200lbs and HB is 5'3 110lbs, he would not of even needed a weapon to subdue her. In fact, he could probably subdue her in less then a minute without a weapon or throwing a punch, especially if he sneaked up on her. So I guess I am trying to say if the abductor got control of her immediately, why did it take 10-15 minutes to remove her, actually, to have her remove herself?
Also in putting this rough timeline together, I noticed something else CB had said in the JVM interview that does not mesh at all with some things that have been said recently. In the recent article he states that he saw HB car before looking out to the garage. Now I realize this is kind of a mesh of two different interviews and trying to fit them together, but if his mother had told him HB should be at school, he sees her car there and then sees and hears people in the garage that are unfamiliar to him, how does he call his mother to ask who is in the garage if the next time he talks with his mother he has already seen them walk away? I can only assume that CB and KB had talked two times on the phone before CB saw them walk away. The third phone call being when KB told him that it was not the boyfriend. Geez, why all these phone calls, mother three times, HB phone, boyfriend phone, when HB and abductor were within, let's assume 50-100 feet, of CB. Also, if he sees his sister out in the yard walking away, why bother to call her phone? Especially when your mother is relaying an elevated sense of panic (before KB tells CB it is not the boyfriend, she does tell him during the first call that something is not right). I really do not get it.
One more thing. During the first phone call, KB was already panicked. In the article she says that she knew something was wrong because HB car was still there and she hung up to call 911. Did she literally just hang up on CB without telling him anything else? It sure seems like CB missed the message either way.

 

[krimekat]

Happy BDay, Holly! Still keeping you in my thoughts

 

[wfgodot]

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[nosyone]

nosyone,

I was just about to post that maybe the "flurry" of phone calls was stated to cover for any phone record of them speaking. The hunting story was just a cover for those calls.

You may have hit the nail on the head with the "reason". That sure sounds very possible---and could explain why there was so much anxiety---in fact maybe Karen was already on her way home after that phone call at 7:30. that might also explain how she was able to get home so fast.:waitasec:

The one hole in my theory is that Karen was in the cafeteria without her cellphone. If DS had called to tell her that whoever they were afraid of was in town, why did she go to the cafeteria without her phone? Or did she? The thought just occurred to me that your idea of not wanting any record of the calls or a call might be plausible. I wonder if she really did have her phone with her and just didn't want to use it for whatever reason.

 

[Oriah]

The one hole in my theory is that Karen was in the cafeteria without her cellphone. If DS had called to tell her that whoever they were afraid of was in town, why did she go to the cafeteria without her phone? Or did she? The thought just occurred to me that your idea of not wanting any record of the calls or a call might be plausible. I wonder if she really did have her phone with her and just didn't want to use it for whatever reason.

Many schools have cell phone regulations- such as no student usage- or no employee usage- or check your cell phone at the door, etc.

It's very common.

 

[Prancy]

nosyone,

I was just about to post that maybe the "flurry" of phone calls was stated to cover for any phone record of them speaking. The hunting story was just a cover for those calls.

You may have hit the nail on the head with the "reason". That sure sounds very possible---and could explain why there was so much anxiety---in fact maybe Karen was already on her way home after that phone call at 7:30. that might also explain how she was able to get home so fast.:waitasec:

But what about the lady at mom's workplace who said she cried out in response to the news about her daugther and collapsed, before leaving the school. Plus, she left her phone at the school.

I get very frustrated trying to fit all of the calls and events into the time line that seems to have been given at various times.