TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[nosyone]

But what about the lady at mom's workplace who said she cried out in response to the news about her daugther and collapsed, before leaving the school. Plus, she left her phone at the school.

I get very frustrated trying to fit all of the calls and events into the time line that seems to have been given at various times.

That's what makes me think that KB was already forewarned of an impending disaster, her co-worker was so shocked at her panicked reaction! I have been waking up at around 3:00am every morning thinking about this case. It's like all the pieces of the puzzle are there, but they keep changing shapes! Leaving the cellphone just seems to me to be extremely odd, especially in an emergency situation.:banghead:

 

[wishuwerehere]

That's what makes me think that KB was already forewarned of an impending disaster, her co-worker was so shocked at her panicked reaction! I have been waking up at around 3:00am every morning thinking about this case. It's like all the pieces of the puzzle are there, but they keep changing shapes! Leaving the cellphone just seems to me to be extremely odd, especially in an emergency situation.:banghead:

BBM

When I consider any human being (like myself) in an extremely stressful and panic state of mind, I can understand overlooking something as obvious as grabbing a cell phone. It feels like your mind is racing one hundred miles an hour. You may even tell yourself, “grab the cell phone”, but your thoughts are jumping from one idea to the next so rapidly I can understand forgetting to grab the phone (especially if you're over 40 LOL!). Odd yes, but very understandable.

There are a lot of odd things about this case. I hope we can get more of the story in the near future.

JMO

 

[NCSleuth]

What in the world happened between 7:40 and almost 8:00am (when they were seen walking into the woods). thats at least 15 minutes! Really makes you think HB knew the person and was talking to him for several minutes before heading to the woods.

We know they were near the house (probably in the garage) for several minutes. We know the scream came about 7:40. Neighbor tried to reach KB. KB got message and called CB. Thats got to be several minutes! We know one of the times KB and CB talked HB was still in the garage with the kidnapper. Between the scream and that call had to be several minutes! If the persons sole purpose was to kidnapper her, why did they remain in the garage so long.
Did HB know the person and the situation turned bad?
Did the person plan to take her back inside and found out CB was inside?
Why talk for 15 minutes??? Or at least 10 minutes, assuming it took 5 minutes to walk to the woods.

So many questions!

 

[marycarney]

'Happy' is certainly NOT the right word, because there is nothing 'happy' about this case - but can I say I am 'relieved' to know that I'm not alone in having major concerns about this timeline? And I have from the beginning. It just DOES. NOT. MAKE. SENSE.

 

[Plumeria5]

The one hole in my theory is that Karen was in the cafeteria without her cellphone. If DS had called to tell her that whoever they were afraid of was in town, why did she go to the cafeteria without her phone? Or did she? The thought just occurred to me that your idea of not wanting any record of the calls or a call might be plausible. I wonder if she really did have her phone with her and just didn't want to use it for whatever reason.

This is only a guess but I think the reason Karen was in the cafeteria was she had duty to monitor the children before school started. Since the weather was pretty chilly and damp, it may be the children had to stay in the cafeteria before going to their classrooms. Some principals have rules about teachers not carrying their cell phones and also Karen may have had no pocket to put it in. If there was a prior threat I believe I would have found a place to stash it so I had contact with my children at all times. Just my :twocents:

 

[wishuwerehere]

The oddest thing about this case for me is Karen’s panic versus Clint’s demeanor. Even if Clint believes it is Drew w/Holly outside, why not at least humor his mother and confront the two of them in person, and say, “Hey, mom is freaking out. What’s going on?” Although, he did grab the gun, so… what did he do with it?

 

[Plumeria5]

The oddest thing about this case for me is Karen’s panic versus Clint’s demeanor. Even if Clint believes it is Drew w/Holly outside, why not at least humor his mother and confront the two of them in person, and say, “Hey, mom is freaking out. What’s going on?” Although, he did grab the gun, so… what did he do with it?

Karen really did seem to know right away this was far more serious than most people would assume from a scream. From Clint's point of view I am thinking if he did wake up at 7:50, unless he is a morning person, he may have been half asleep and was incoherent about the gravity of the situation. Also, if Karen knew something that had not been shared with Clint then that could also explain Clint's lackadaisical reaction.

 

[wishuwerehere]

We’re still not privy to the whole story of what went down that morning. Still too many leaps of faith to take to come to a logical conclusion.

JMO

 

[Frogzilla]

What in the world happened between 7:40 and almost 8:00am (when they were seen walking into the woods). thats at least 15 minutes! Really makes you think HB knew the person and was talking to him for several minutes before heading to the woods.

We know they were near the house (probably in the garage) for several minutes. We know the scream came about 7:40. Neighbor tried to reach KB. KB got message and called CB. Thats got to be several minutes! We know one of the times KB and CB talked HB was still in the garage with the kidnapper. Between the scream and that call had to be several minutes! If the persons sole purpose was to kidnapper her, why did they remain in the garage so long.
Did HB know the person and the situation turned bad?
Did the person plan to take her back inside and found out CB was inside?
Why talk for 15 minutes??? Or at least 10 minutes, assuming it took 5 minutes to walk to the woods.

So many questions!

This puts a couple pictures into my mind. You have brought up her knowing the abductor and talking with him for that length of time. You scratch the surface of a home invasion scenario. The only other pictures that comes to mind is the abductor doing some sort of interrogation on HB to possibly get information and then trying to figure out what to do with her next, but that doesn't fit very well if he knew where to be and when, but didn't know what to do with her once he had control of the situation. That would also be a seemingly long list of questions to be asking. If he had went there to kill her at home, he would of had time to do it and this would of probably made leaving the area even easier.
One thing I have asked my self before is if the abductor was wearing camo with possibly gloves and hat, he obviously did not want to be identified by anyone around the Bobo home. If CB was not suppose to be there and the parents were gone and there are very few neighbors around, who was this person possibly trying to hide their identity from, HB herself? CB who was not suppose to be there(maybe meaning he would not usually be home that time of day)? Seems quite the contradiction. I doubt the abductor was still wearing camo as they were heading away in a vehicle. But who knows, they already seem quite brazen up to this point of the story.
The only way that fits IMO is if this person figured they would be seen around the area and dressed as a turkey hunter to give themselves an out if they were spotted before the abduction attempt. Wouldn't a turkey hunter need a gun to play the role? If they were spotted in the immediate area "hunting" and they were a stranger to the area, don't you find that a bit risky? If your cover is blown would you still plan a future abduction attempt? Would a stranger to the area concoct this type of plan? Would they plan on playing make believe turkey hunter around the Bobo home until the perfect time to strike as HB was leaving her home? What if DS decided to hunt around the Bobo home that morning? Did he often do this? CB seemed to immediately jump to this train of thought. We know that at least KB was aware he was hunting on HB grandmother's property that morning and DS told CB the night before he was going hunting(didn't mention where), did other people know? I do not have the answers to those questions, but they come to mind following that train of thought.
It is hard, with the information we have and trying to piece it all together, to not see this as anything but a planned kidnapping IMO. Still feels like some major chunks of the story are missing and all of these versions are just a way to muddy up what exactly is known to have happened that morning.

 

[wishuwerehere]

I don’t want to keep harping on the gun, BUT once that gun entered the story (the loaded pistol that KB told CB to get), it seemed to me that everything about Holly’s abduction flipped. How many other guns are involved in this scenario that we don’t know about. I mean, we didn’t know about Clint arming himself w/a pistol until just a few days ago. Did camo man have a gun?

When Karen was told about screams coming from the house, was she maybe told about gunshots heard? I know it was turkey hunting season, so it probably would not seem out of the ordinary to hear a gunshot. But if someone said they heard a gunshot coming from the house and screams, I could understand Karen freaking out. This is all just speculation on my part, just trying to fill in the gaps.

JMO

 

[Plumeria5]

I don’t want to keep harping on the gun, BUT once that gun entered the story (the loaded pistol that KB told CB to get), it seemed to me that everything about Holly’s abduction flipped. How many other guns are involved in this scenario that we don’t know about. I mean, we didn’t know about Clint arming himself w/a pistol until just a few days ago. Did camo man have a gun?

When Karen was told about screams coming from the house, was she maybe told about gunshots heard? I know it was turkey hunting season, so it probably would not seem out of the ordinary to hear a gunshot. But if someone said they heard a gunshot coming from the house and screams, I could understand Karen freaking out. This is all just speculation on my part, just trying to fill in the gaps.

JMO

Don't we wish we had recordings of the phone calls between Karen and Clint where she tells him to go outside with a gun. That would help clear up a few questions in my mind.

 

[mountainguy777]

Release 911 tapes. Get national exposure. Find holly.

 

[wfgodot]

'Happy' is certainly NOT the right word, because there is nothing 'happy' about this case - but can I say I am 'relieved' to know that I'm not alone in having major concerns about this timeline? And I have from the beginning. It just DOES. NOT. MAKE. SENSE.

The whole thing's screwy.

(I may use these words as my epitaph.)

 

[marycarney]

The whole thing's screwy.

(I may use these words as my epitaph.)

OT: my gravestone is gonna say "I told you I was sick!"

 

[~n/t~]

Don't we wish we had recordings of the phone calls between Karen and Clint where she tells him to go outside with a gun. That would help clear up a few questions in my mind.

Heck, I'd be happy just to see the phone records and where those phones pinged including Holly's and Drew's!!!

Clint called Holly's phone and it rang 5 times and this was shortly after they walked into the woods or in the woods or somewhere. Where did her phone ping? Where did Drew's phone ping?

ETA: I'm impressed that Clint knows it rang 5 times!

 

[Plumeria5]

Heck, I'd be happy just to see the phone records and where those phones pinged including Holly's and Drew's!!!

Clint called Holly's phone and it rang 5 times and this was shortly after they walked into the woods or in the woods or somewhere. Where did her phone ping? Where did Drew's phone ping?

Good one! Never thought of the pings!

 

[nosyone]

Good one! Never thought of the pings!

I am not very cellphone savvy, if LE has HB's phone and has access to DS's phone, would they already have that info?:waitasec:

 

[Plumeria5]

Heck, I'd be happy just to see the phone records and where those phones pinged including Holly's and Drew's!!!

Clint called Holly's phone and it rang 5 times and this was shortly after they walked into the woods or in the woods or somewhere. Where did her phone ping? Where did Drew's phone ping?

ETA: I'm impressed that Clint knows it rang 5 times!

If Clint did call Holly's phone and it rang 5 times before going to voice mail then doesn't that mean her phone was still on at that point? Not sure but thought it would go directly to voice mail otherwise. Guess Clint was counting the rings??

 

[OldSteve]

Things don't add up IMO

So much happened in such a short amount of time - so many phone calls, and LE responding so fast! Would be interesting trying to reconstruct this!

Then there's the reactions - KB intuition that some really bad happened, she's in panic mode, yet Clint does not pick up on his mother's fears...

 

[~n/t~]

Service Held On Holly Bobo's 21st Birthday

The community will also fast in a last resort hope that she will make it back to Decatur County.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15680793/service-held-on-holly-bobos-21st-birthday

:dunno: