TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #29

[cluciano63]

Not searching and yet convinced this is local. Does this mean they have already searched every inch of the county and surrounding areas? Can any LE ever really say that? I would think they would search a certain amount each week or month, or whatever, and cross it off, but it doesn't sound like this is happening. Is it lack of manpower? Or are they simply not searching for the reasons LE gives in Kyron's case off and on, that they will search when and if they have specific tips?

Why not have a professional search group come to town and train as many volunteers as are interested in how to properly search while they are out and about in the woods and fields? Other than Clint and Dad, we haven't heard about any searching going on, usually volunteer groups who are made up of concerned locals are vocal about the fact that they are searching, if not the specifics of the searches.

 

[NCSleuth]

If the times are correct, it just doesn't make sense. 7:40 neighbor hears a scream. 7:50 (or later) CB sees silhouettes in the garage. Thats 10 minutes!!!! What in the world was going on in those 10 minutes.

Kidnapper must have felt very comfortable there.

 

[~n/t~]

4) is that I know for a fact that property owners have the right to hunt on their own property and that is not determined by a specific hunting 'season.' So for example, I could hunt deer on my own property at any time of year. I could also grant hunting 'rights' to someone if I so chose on my OWN property; either in exchange for money, or as a simple handshake.
I- or anyone else- could not legally hunt an endangered species; or something that has been regulated by local hunting guidelines on my property. So for example, I couldn't 'hunt' fawns ever, or does in certain seasons- but bucks are fair game year round (on private property.)

FWIW, we are not hunters- not even close; and all of our rural properties are posted. That means that anyone caught hunting anything on one of those properties, is subject to both trespassing and state hunting law violations.

HTH.

Why do you think Drew and his dad were supposedly hunting on grandma's property when they could've hunted near the Bobo home instead?
Clint's version sounds like this could've been something that probably occurred before incuding Drew bringing the kill to show Holly. Could be why he was so convinced it was Drew.

 

[~n/t~]

Were cadaver dog ever brought to the scene? I don't recall. IIRC, they mentioned dogs but I don't remember if they were scent dogs, tracking dogs or cadaver dogs.

 

[Oriah]

I posted the link this morning. TBI said they're NOT doing any ground searches. As for the Bobos, the article and their spokesperson Bromley said they're putting up flyers, selling truck decals, wearing ribbons, tshirts and pins and praying.

Sorry. I don't call that searching. It's more of an awareness campaign than a search.

That does not mean they have not passed off ground searches to another agency or SAR group.

It has happened MANY times in our SAR experience.
Not dissimilar to a general practitioner sending a patient to a specialist, and then saying they are no longer treating them.
They have, but they are no longer. Kwim?

 

[~n/t~]

That does not mean they have not passed off ground searches to another agency or SAR group.

It has happened MANY times in our SAR experience.
Not dissimilar to a general practitioner sending a patient to a specialist, and then saying they are no longer treating them.
They have, but they are no longer. Kwim?

I go according to what's been reported in MSM. If Karen is frustrated and calls them everyday tells me they're not doing what she hopes for. Asking for the President's help further convinces me that no ground searches have been done since Easter (??) and the article I posted this morning said nothing is being planned.

 

[Oriah]

Why do you think Drew and his dad were supposedly hunting on grandma's property when they could've hunted near the Bobo home instead?
Clint's version sounds like this could've been something that probably occurred before incuding Drew bringing the kill to show Holly. Could be why he was so convinced it was Drew.

Better turkey population? Private vs public? Property owner who has posted land? Lots of reasons, I think.

 

[~n/t~]

If the times are correct, it just doesn't make sense. 7:40 neighbor hears a scream. 7:50 (or later) CB sees silhouettes in the garage. Thats 10 minutes!!!! What in the world was going on in those 10 minutes.

Kidnapper must have felt very comfortable there.

No nothing makes sense.

 

[Oriah]

Were cadaver dog ever brought to the scene? I don't recall. IIRC, they mentioned dogs but I don't remember if they were scent dogs, tracking dogs or cadaver dogs.

IIRC they were trailing dogs. You do mean initially, correct? Let me go back and see if I can find a MSM link.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I have a hard time believing they didn't discuss where Drew was going to hunt considering it was on grandma's property! I wonder why Clint didn't go with him? Wasn't it his time off from school?

Clint had schoolwork to do that morning... write a paper or something

 

[~n/t~]

Clint had schoolwork to do that morning... write a paper or something

Oh yes that's true but he was up at 7:50 and Drew was at work by 8. Some said turkey hunting is early morning so he would've had enough time to hunt and write his paper.

Just wondering why he didn't go considering they were friends. Maybe Drew and his dad wanted some quality hunting time alone together. Father and son bonding.

 

[Oriah]

Thought I would post a link here, so folks can better understand the hunting regulations. I was trying to be kind of basic in my earlier post, just for the ease of understanding- but maybe this will help more for those unfamiliar with hunting regs:

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/huntlicense.html

I think I may have even posted it before!

 

[~n/t~]

Thought I would post a link here, so folks can better understand the hunting regulations. I was trying to be kind of basic in my earlier post, just for the ease of understanding- but maybe this will help more for those unfamiliar with hunting regs:

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/huntlicense.html

I think I may have even posted it before!

I wonder if Drew had a hunting license? According to that link, he should've had one in order to hunt on grandma's property. Wonder if that's what caused the flurry of phone calls? What if he didn't have a valid license and decided to go hunt on Holly's property instead but didn't tell anyone?

o/t I noticed this:

Lifetime Sportsman (under 3 years old)
An all inclusive lifetime license valid for hunting, trapping, and sport fishing without any supplemental state licenses or permits. Allows holders to apply for quota permits at no additional fee. Call your local TWRA office for an application or download an application to apply. $200.00

Lifetime Sportsman (3-6 years old)
An all inclusive lifetime license valid for hunting, trapping, and sport fishing without any supplemental state licenses or permits. Allows holders to apply for quota permits at no additional fee. Call your local TWRA office for an application or download an application to apply. $540.00


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[Frogzilla]

BBM:
I am completely confused by this post.

Please explain?

This was not my post you were responding to, but I tend to agree with the original post.
I have said before I feel like this story has been presented as a confusing series of events and every time a new version of the story is told, previously reported sequences are overlooked or changed when retelling the account of the morning. If you wanted to attempt to piece all of the given information together, you need to mesh several articles and interviews and guess where everything fits in. If you do that, you may end up confusing yourself even more.
I have asked myself if this story is completely truthful, then why was the original accounts not something like- HB was approached by an unknown assailant while leaving her home to go to school. A neighbor heard screams coming from the home and alerted his mother, who alerted KB. Meanwhile, her brother was woken up by the sound of the dogs barking and caught a glimpse of HB and a man in camo clothing walking away towards the woods. The brother and mother talked on the phone and decided that the brother should grab a gun and go investigate what is happening. When the brother got outside, he saw a puddle of blood, but he did not see where they went and shortly after LE and neighbors began to gather at the Bobo home to begin searching.-
Instead we are given information that is contradicting from LE and the eye witness account. The dragging, then led away in fear and then the eye witness saying neither is true. The height and weight of the abductor changed but CB never said his description changed.
Also, the story has been presented in a way that opens the door to question everybody's motivations for the way they acted that morning. Sequences given are not clear or concise, it is all jumbled and then twisted around. Among many many many many many many examples are, KB saying that she had talked to DS and her mother that morning, but not giving an explanation as to why until weeks later. In one version we are told that CB heard unfamiliar voices in the garage and called his mother to find out who these people were, but in the most recent article that fact is completely omitted and other sequences are fit in where we thought that episode had taken place. Why does the public need to know that KB was hysterical while she was at work and her co-workers thought she was being manic. And as a last example, why are we given every little detail about what CB was doing or what he wrongly thought was actually happening? Also, a turkey that does not exist somehow keeps finding a way to get included in every re-telling. This story could of been told in a way that doesn't make the family's actions or in-actions seem so important to the outcome of the case, but instead that door was opened and since day one people have looked at the family suspiciously, especially CB.
Bottom line of this topic, if we can all agree the information presented by the family in the last three months will not help to catch the abductor or find HB, unless you already had direct knowledge about the case, then why is this information given to the public? Don't get me wrong, I am curious as everybody else as to what actually happened. What is the endgame for presenting an incomplete story with many holes? That is a difficult trade off to keep awareness up by releasing tidbits of information over time, but that does not mean I understand it or am very comfortable with it. This case is so full of contradictions, it makes me wonder if something else was going on in the mind's of the Bobo's and/or LE before or early in the investigation to make it play out like this.

 

[Frogzilla]

http://m.jacksonsun.com/news/article?a=2011110130314&f=645
Holly Bobo's family questions early handling of investigation

Here are some snippets-
"A lot of people stuck their nose in law enforcement business that day, and too many people showed up there at one time," Wyatt said. "We were trying to keep people away as best as we could, but when you have a few hundred people showing up, it is hard to do."

Wyatt said the deputies had a hard time keeping people from going into the backyard, but that no one walked around the area where Holly was last seen.

But Clint said people walked all around the area where he last saw his sister and that this was one of his largest concerns.

"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined.

Wyatt said deputies did not want to enter the area or allow others to do so for fear that they would impair some evidence that might be found and because they were waiting on a search dog and trying to gather information leading them to go a certain direction.

There are two types of search dogs. A hot-trail dog is good for a trail that is about 15 minutes old. A cold-trail dog can pick up a scent over a longer period of time.

"It was so disorganized I got disgusted," Middleton(local resident) said. "I've hunted all my life, and I can tell if someone has been in my deer stand two weeks before, but what happened in those woods was a mess. Volunteers were trying to help, but at the same time some of them didn't know what they were doing.
"My wife has lived in Darden all her life, and she still gets turned around on those back roads," Middleton said. "To drive in and drive out, you would to know those back roads."

The family mostly has remained quiet up about the investigation at the advice of the TBI and have been told very little, they said. Mehr said it is the policy of the TBI not to release information about an investigation until it has been solved. He also said no one is cleared as a suspect until the case is solved.

Investigators have said that whoever abducted Holly was in the area dressed in camouflage before 7:40 a.m. and left the woods after 7:55. Anyone driving on those roads early that morning around those times could be a suspect, authorities have said. Also, anyone known to have been turkey hunting in the area that morning could also be a suspect.
"You had people giving out water bottles and sandwiches in plastic bags to the volunteers, and the volunteers were throwing down the bags and bottles and other volunteers were asking if it was evidence," Middleton said. "With the people ripping through the woods on four-wheelers in the rain, you wouldn't be able to track anybody."

"We encourage people not to buy in to what they see on these blogs that are circulating the Internet," Mehr said. "Many of these sites say they are sending information to the TBI, but we may never receive that information. Also, they print rumors that are misleading to people.

 

[~n/t~]

OHH OHHH - The blame game begins...haven't finished reading yet.

Holly Bobo's family questions early handling of investigation

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314

 

[Soulmagent]

So LE had no control of the scene. The person who took Holly could have been right there the whole time. I wondered way back when why they allowed V -Searchers in the woods when there was a suspect on the loose. I posted then they must believe the suspect was out of the woods due to that. Guess not.

Interesting to think Clint figured they might not get Holly back right away. I would have thought she was just right here ,she is close.

JMO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I have asked myself if this story is completely truthful, then why was the original accounts not something like- HB was approached by an unknown assailant while leaving her home to go to school. A neighbor heard screams coming from the home and alerted his mother, who alerted KB. Meanwhile, her brother was woken up by the sound of the dogs barking and caught a glimpse of HB and a man in camo clothing walking away towards the woods. The brother and mother talked on the phone and decided that the brother should grab a gun and go investigate what is happening. When the brother got outside, he saw a puddle of blood, but he did not see where they went and shortly after LE and neighbors began to gather at the Bobo home to begin searching.

Thanks , Frogzilla, I think your account just about sums it up. Maybe we should all just work off of your account. After all you just cut through all the BS for us....and this, in all likely hood, is the end result in a mountain of confusion. End of story.:twocents:

What is the endgame for presenting an incomplete story with many holes?

This seems to be the million dollar question--if we find the answer to this we may know the truth.

This case is so full of contradictions, it makes me wonder if something else was going on in the mind's of the Bobo's and/or LE before or early in the investigation to make it play out like this.

I have taken the liberty to extract only the sentences I wanted to comment on. Hope that is ok with you Frogzilla. MOO --Great post!!

 

[wfgodot]

http://m.jacksonsun.com/news/article?a=2011110130314&f=645
"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined."

snip-snip-snip-snip

First, thanks, Frog, for posting that link. First time I've seen the story too. Excellent post

Now, in this statement, Clint seems to have been evidencing an amazing degree of forethought, "trying to preserve the crime scene." Holly and Drew and the phantom turkey, Holly escorted into the woods, the puddle of blood, the frantic phone calls, the dog barking, the missed scream....then, on it like white on rice, trying to preserve the scene. Hm. Of course, this could all be compensation for guilt, for not having prevented the abduction, rearing its head months afterward, but it's an interesting statement, nevertheless.

The first sapiens who thought, "The more I know, the more I don't know" - that was the real beginning of civilization.

 

[~n/t~]

Mehr said it is the policy of the TBI not to release information about an investigation until it has been solved. He also said no one is cleared as a suspect until the case is solved.


Also, anyone known to have been turkey hunting in the area that morning could also be a suspect.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314