TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Soulmagent]

MoutainGuy I think you might have a "Clew". Thanks.

:floorlaugh:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

This photo has me puzzled.

Clint looks even shorter than Holly and considerably different also. 5 foot nothing! I think the elevated camera shot looking down tends to make them appear like they are much younger. Also having very tall men in the back gives that impression.

I had seen this before. I think on that same photobucket group, there is
a couple of a front porch scene with ducks of drew, CB, and "LB" maybe?, that were puzzling also.

The background stays the same as far as location of a muddy boot. Presumably one of theirs. And a little wooden reindeer or something.
But the number of ducks and what they are wearing changes. The mix and match of camo seems intentional because the boot as I said doesn't change location. Like it was supposed to be a subsequent trip. It struck me as odd.
Because it looked so staged. Not for the purpose of displaying dead birds of varying numbers, but to give the impression of something else.
I can't imagine laying the birds on concrete porch like that because it would leave permanent stains. And I am positive they weren't going to pluck them there or dress them in any way.

Houndstooth,

Admittedly I know zip about the "sport" of hunting--Actually find it quite offensive, but to each his own, eh!

To address your "camo/duck" photo: The first photo is with all three in Full camo, the second they have just taken parts of their gear off, as noted by the bench behind them. You can see the discarded clothing. So I don't think it is mix and matched. Drew has only taken off the overalls that were worn over his jeans.

Now this photo is interesting because Drew wears "overalls" as part of his hunting gear. Clint and Lee wear "full". Wonder if Drew always wears the overalls--thus questioning Clints discription of "Drew in "full" camo?

Also who is Lee?

 

[houndstooth]

RUK. I respectfully request you look again at the camo.
But, the point was, I believe the photos were taken at the same time.
Like within moments of each other.
So practically speaking if I am taking two photos at the same time, why adjust the composition of the shots?
To make them more interesting? No, I don't think so. But, to ingrain that these guys wear camo, all kinds of camo. And hunt alot.
Any one of whom might later become "suspicious" to the case.

But, still no one has any problem reconciling "little" Clint, in the for lack of a better description, 'summer camp' shot and on tv with the guy who in these photos,
is comparatively speaking, the biggest. But, then yep, Drew's height in relation to Holly
can change from photo to photo that does not appear to have anything to do with her heel height.

Might I recommend page zooms of 400% to posters when looking?

LB is a can of worms, that's who.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

RUK. I respectfully request you look again at the camo.
But, the point was, I believe the photos were taken at the same time.
Like within moments of each other.
So practically speaking if I am taking two photos at the same time, why adjust the composition of the shots?
To make them more interesting? No, I don't think so. But, to ingrain that these guys wear camo, all kinds of camo. And hunt alot.
Any one of whom might later become "suspicious" to the case.

But, still no one has any problem reconciling "little" Clint, in the for lack of a better description, 'summer camp' shot and on tv with the guy who in these photos,
is comparatively speaking, the biggest. But, then yep, Drew's height in relation to Holly
can change from photo to photo that does not appear to have anything to do with her heel height.

Might I recommend page zooms of 400% to posters when looking?

LB is a can of worms, that's who.

Well .....Houndstooth! Why didn't you say as much in your very first comment on the "photoshopping"

I Get It: Are you saying you think these pictures are "staged" /"photoshopped
to give the impression that Clint is just a tiny "little guy" and Drew's head is chopped to distort his height also?


........and I did look again at the Camo Duck picture, and my first statement is correct. Drew took his overalls off and Lee took his jacket off. Clint kept everything the same in both pictures.

Sorry to have missed your point "completely", but perhaps you could have just said what you meant initially. Could of save a lot of "posts" about
"FASHION"--LOL

 

[Chili Fries]

That might be an interesting thing to think about. If someone only tangentially connected to Holly or the family had been stalking her, he might have known the family's usual morning routines and figured Holly was home alone. it also might point to someone who really knew Holly and her family well.

Good points. I think it could just be a coincidence that Clint wasn't supposed to be at home that day but...the perp could be somebody Clint knows, and who knew his schedule. Somebody who might not really be acquainted with Holly, who only saw or met her in passing.

There is the issue of whether Clint's car was in the driveway or not. If the perp knew Clint you'd think he would recognize that the car meant Clint was at home (if his car, or a car he normally used, was there).

 

[houndstooth]

I think there is a misunderstanding as to what is meant by poses, staging and photoshop. Normal people "Pose" for photographs, no big deal.
And what is meant by staging. The summer camp shot and the duck photos which notably are in the same Photo bucket for some reason are examples of "staging". Meaning an intentional photograph taken to give a "misleading" impression.

And what photoshop, shorthand for digital photo manipulation software photo means and how it is and has been used for EXAMPLE in the photo of the photo pic on Plumeria's post.

 

[nursebeeme]

:seeya:

bumping up Holly's FBI poster. The fbi consider Holly to be kidnapped: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/holly-bobo/view

There have been past warnings posted about discussing this as a hoax. It is not allowed. Please keep this in mind while discussing the case. Thanks

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

RUK.

LB is a can of worms, that's who.

I assume LB is LEE BOBO? Thank you.

....and could you explain the "can of worms" comment
.....or should I already "Know" what that means?

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...econstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

bumping up an excellent article that recreated Holly's last morning at home... very in depth

 

[NCSleuth]

I have looked at the duck pictures over and over and just don't see what others are saying. btw, I am an ameteur photographer.

I still say the 2 photos simply represent different times of the same day. Drew obviously has on the same hat and same shirt in both pics. He simply took off his insulated bib overalls because it had warmed up.

Clint has on the same hat, shirt and pants, simply took off his jacket. If you look at the chair in the background you can even see the jacket.

Lee is the only one that seems to have changed clothes, and he could have had on bibs in the first picture, both of the other two did.

Also, I have a nephew about the same age, I think he is 23. He is an avid hunter. Just checked his facebook page. He has a very similiar picture with 16 ducks. Has one with the ducks lined up on the front of the boat, on a toolbox in the back of the truck, then wrapped around his next on some 'string'. He has a ton of pictures of himself with things he has killed. Ducks, turkeys, a bobcat, several deer, raccoons. Also pics of himself after several fishing trips with lots of fish. Just a good old country boy.

 

[NCSleuth]

Houndstooth,

Admittedly I know zip about the "sport" of hunting--Actually find it quite offensive, but to each his own, eh!

To address your "camo/duck" photo: The first photo is with all three in Full camo, the second they have just taken parts of their gear off, as noted by the bench behind them. You can see the discarded clothing. So I don't think it is mix and matched. Drew has only taken off the overalls that were worn over his jeans.

Now this photo is interesting because Drew wears "overalls" as part of his hunting gear. Clint and Lee wear "full". Wonder if Drew always wears the overalls--thus questioning Clints discription of "Drew in "full" camo?

Also who is Lee?

Actually Clint has on bib overalls too. They are camo and made a little lower in the front, Look at the 2nd picture with all the ducks, you can see the strap on his left and the buckle for the one on his right side.

I do find it interesting Drew has on khaki colored bibs instead of camo. Maybe that is why CB said full camo. Maybe Drew normally hunts with the khaki bibs so CB would have found that odd.

 

[NCSleuth]

Also, if the 2 duck pictures were staged, I think the photographer would be in the same position for both pictures. Its obvious based on the light in the pictures the photographer was further back in the second picture. The flash was not strong enough light up the faces like in the first picture.

Looks like my wife took the 2nd, she does it all the time. way too far from the subject and the flash is sufficient.

 

[~n/t~]

I will try to explain my thoughts but please keep in mind that I am
not any sort of expert in this field and am only putting forth thoughts
based on previous cases I have read.

Depends on what you mean by 'into the woods'. I do not say he can not
have left her in a wooded area but I just gave an estimated drivetime
distance.
Whether he took her to his home to dispose of her or a wooded area
is something I don't know.

If her body was not found within a couple of miles of home (which it was
not) and her stuff was found 8 miles from home as news reports claim
then past cases that I remember pieces of seem to suggest to me
that if her remains are not found near her stuff then her remains (if found)
will be even farther away.

I think from the time of the event it was daylight. I think the decision
to kill her was made from the time she came out of her door.
He has some reason that he feels he can not afford to be brought to
the attention of LE. even if it means killing someone to prevent that.
He can not afford to release an injured person in the woods and
can't allow the body to be found too soon either.
But you know a search will be made near the home and a body being
found does at least 2 bad things:
1. The body can leave behind evidence of the perp.
2. It allows the slow manpower-eating searching close to her home to end
and the search for the perp can spring forward faster and farther afield.
Once a body is found the perp is wanted for murder.
He does not want to be found or Id'd so it is in his best interest
if the body is not found right away (and from his thinking not found at all.)

Leaving her body behind close to home in the woods to be found works
against him.

Note: I have refrained from mentioning any sexual reasons for
a perp wanting to take her farther away before killing her as I think
it was not the reason she was killed & those possibilities do not
really need to be explained.

Not just bodies leave DNA about the perp. We don't know what DNA was taken from the crime scene (Bobo house) but assuming all was done properly by LE they would have plenty. Hairs, clothing fibers, skin cells, footprints, fingerprints and if she was raped, his fluids may also be there. In addition there may be other evidence to confirm if a rape occurred or not.

Her lunchbag and whatever else was found also had DNA. It was found on the side of the road. It could've been planted there or the perp put Holly in the car and oooops...the lunchbag dropped? I'll go with planted.

This leads me to conclude the perp is not someone who is in the system. (RSO, drug dealer, burglar, etc). This was/is the perp's first crime based on my knowledge of other cases I've followed.

Chelsea King's clothing had the perps DNA on them and that's how they got him. Amber Dubois was found shortly thereafter.

In this case, we can assume LE has evidence, Holly's blood, eye witness but we don't have a body.
:twocents:

 

[MizStery]

Hmmmm....since clint and drew look similar, when clint says "I thought holly was walking with drew", it really means something because he knows what drew looks like due to similarities to himself.

Make sense?

I do indeed understand the "similarities".My family is from the NE corner of Mississippi. My mother's adopted father was 3rd cousins to her late mother. Her adopted brothers wife was her 2nd cousin. I think the only marriages outside of the immediate area were several generations back ....men in the family married women on the Cherokee Nation. I do not think any family member ever moved out of the immediate area. My mom and dad were the first to leave the state. Dad was recruited by Boeing in Seattle where we have lived ever since. MOO

 

[OldSteve]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...econstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

bumping up an excellent article that recreated Holly's last morning at home... very in depth

"Before dawn on April 13, Holly Bobo dressed for nursing school, ate breakfast and studied for a test. By 8 a.m. she had been abducted from her home in Darden and has not been seen since."

The article starts out with the above, and as far as I'm concerned that's all we really know.
All else is too muddled-up with changing accounts, and reactions I don't understand. So if I were on this case I would throw everything else out and go with just that.

 

[Oriah]

Not just bodies leave DNA about the perp. We don't know what DNA was taken from the crime scene (Bobo house) but assuming all was done properly by LE they would have plenty. Hairs, clothing fibers, skin cells, footprints, fingerprints and if she was raped, his fluids may also be there. In addition there may be other evidence to confirm if a rape occurred or not.

Her lunchbag and whatever else was found also had DNA. It was found on the side of the road. It could've been planted there or the perp put Holly in the car and oooops...the lunchbag dropped? I'll go with planted.

This leads me to conclude the perp is not someone who is in the system. (RSO, drug dealer, burglar, etc). This was/is the perp's first crime based on my knowledge of other cases I've followed.

Chelsea King's clothing had the perps DNA on them and that's how they got him. Amber Dubois was found shortly thereafter.

In this case, we can assume LE has evidence, Holly's blood, eye witness but we don't have a body.
:twocents:

BBM:
Not sure of what you mean by this?
Any person convicted of these crimes are registered in NCIC. :waitasec:
Do you mean NOT convicted? Or not registered? TIA.

 

[OldSteve]

Snipped:

Not just bodies leave DNA about the perp. We don't know what DNA was taken from the crime scene (Bobo house) but assuming all was done properly by LE they would have plenty.

With all the volunteers and LE who swarmed upon the scene so quickly I think the crimes scene was completely contaminated.
I questioned how so many found out so quickly about what had happened and wondered if the perp(s) somehow were involved in getting the word out just for this purpose.... Reminds of the way the J.B.Ramsey crime scene had everyone running around...

ETA: It might have better if LE cordoned off the entire area around the household right from the beginning. Instead of hundreds of people trampling the woods, get some helicopters in the air. How dense was the foliage in April?

 

[Plumeria5]

Good points. I think it could just be a coincidence that Clint wasn't supposed to be at home that day but...the perp could be somebody Clint knows, and who knew his schedule. Somebody who might not really be acquainted with Holly, who only saw or met her in passing.

There is the issue of whether Clint's car was in the driveway or not. If the perp knew Clint you'd think he would recognize that the car meant Clint was at home (if his car, or a car he normally used, was there).

I agree about the car Chili Fries. If the carport is not enclosed, I have heard it was and it wasn't, then Clint's car would have been visible, if he had one. I know...a lot of ifs! I can think of a few possibilities. The abductor wasn't threatened by Clint for some reason, there was no abduction, or it was a stranger (I doubt) or someone high on drugs.

 

[OldSteve]

I agree about the car Chili Fries. If the carport is not enclosed, I have heard it was and it wasn't, then Clint's car would have been visible, if he had one. I know...a lot of ifs! I can think of a few possibilities. The abductor wasn't threatened by Clint for some reason, there was no abduction, or it was a stranger (I doubt) or someone high on drugs.

You're right about the "if's" , and this case is loaded with them....
Considering there hasn't been any repeat or similar abductions in the area or surrounding states... does that say something?

 

[Plumeria5]

You're right about the "if's" , and this case is loaded with them....
Considering there hasn't been any repeat or similar abductions in the area or surrounding states... does that say something?

What that says to me is that it wasn't a stranger.