TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Oriah]

Psychic dogs???

TxLady2... yep. Didn't you know??

I've got one in training right now. I reward it with psychic praise. And it alerts with a psychic bark.

It's a very quiet SAR dog. I'm having a hard time training him to communicate his thoughts to his handler. Gosh, I hope the judge is psychic when we go to court and have to produce his psychic alert training records.
:laughcry:

Good lord- on a serious note- I hope the Bobo family is not being harassed by 'psychic' dog handlers in addition to the human psychics. That will truly make me very, very angry.

 

[TxLady2]

Clarification:
A bloodhound is a breed of dog, not necessarily a SAR or HRD dog.
Bloodhounds are, however, commonly used in tracking and trailing work.

If a 1st responder was a K9 officer (which I think is probably the case) the K9 would likely have been trained in tracking, trailing, and bite work.

They would not have scented off of the blood, believe it or not. They would have scented off of the air, or the ground. And in the event of a witnessed abduction from a home, LE would have likely immediately gotten a scent article from the person abducted, in order to increase the K9's ability to trail.
Does that make sense?

Can you please elaborate a little on bite work? I have never seen that term before in discussions of scent dogs. Thanks.

 

[~n/t~]

 

[~n/t~]

Psychic Animals

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/...tos_n_655637.html#s117490&title=Oscar_The_Cat

 

[Oriah]

Can you please elaborate a little on bite work? I have never seen that term before in discussions of scent dogs. Thanks.

The term 'bite dog' doesn't have anything to do with scent work, lol, which is probably why you haven't heard it. It's a term that is used in LE for K9's who are trained to 'bite' and hold a suspect- either in pursuit of a suspect, or in protection of its' handler. Typically, those dogs are also trained in tracking and trailing- so scent work training is also there. They are usually police K9's- but it is also a sport. HTH.

 

[Oriah]

:floorlaugh:

 

[Oriah]

n/t I had not seen that pic before- and it just made me laugh so hard I spit out my coffee. I am especially amused by the card layout. Thank you for the morning chuckle.

 

[MizStery]

Mr. Noatak, Thank You for typing that out.

I think the calls @ the 7:30 make are interesting too. It set something in motion. IMO and I can't figure out what.

I also appreciate the timeline that Mr. Noatak provided. I have always felt that the cell phone records would be key in capturing people & events as they played out.

I think for me the scream is what set everything else in motion at 7:40. At that critical time James (neighbor) was alerted by a scream from the Bobo home and called his mother,James
mother calls Holly's mother to report scream,dogs or possibly Holly's scream wakes her brother up...he looks out window sees Holly's car calls his mother to ask why(gets no answer). Mr. Noatak's posted time time fills out the rest.

I think Holly's scream at 7:40 and what was happening to her will unlock the mystery. The unwinding of what happened to Holly is frozen at 7:40 because that is the last time her voice
was ever heard. It has to be the key to solving her disappearance. Perhaps the scream is tied to the pool of blood by her car? MOO

 

[birpu]

I have been reading this forum from a day or two after Holly disappeared. I have had things to say, but never posted. I'm just curious, does everyone think the scream was definitely Holly? It makes sense with the timeline, of course, but it it a given? There were different descriptions of the scream floating through here at different times. I remember the terms "blood-curdling screams," in the plural at one point - I believe it was taken from a newspaper story.

If she did the screaming, and the bleeding, the unforced "walk to the woods" is very unlikely in my opinion. And these sorts of things make Clint's story sound off. The kneeling figures story - ok. If he did get up at 7:50, and saw them at that time going into the woods, when exactly did he see them kneeling in the garage? And if he did see them kneeling in the garage, was that AFTER she supposedly screamed? It would have to be, because he says he didn't hear a scream. So we have Holly, who has perhaps just emitted blood-curdling screams, kneeling in the garage with someone between 7:40 and 7:50. Closer to 7:50 if that's when he got up..... BUT he said at one point he called his mother regarding the "people" and voices in the garage. When did that call take place? It was a separate call from when he told her they were walking towards the woods. Can these statements he made to the media about what he was doing that morning be added to that timeline to make sense? (He said these things in that first full family interview where Dana got whisked off after mentioning the blood)

And if someone took her away - there HAD to be transport somewhere. It couldn't happen on foot in five minutes before the police arrived with no trail. HOW? So where was the transport? It had to be close to get her in it so quickly. Why didn't the cops find evidence of it? These are big problems for me. They make no sense. Something is very off, but any wayward theories I have had I cannot square with the timeline - because of the scream.

Does anyone know if all cars - including, and especially Drew's, have been examined? There were an awful lot of phone calls that morning - before the scream. BEFORE. I still wonder if there wasn't an accident of some sort. Suddenly we have a gun involved, and Drew is also hunting. You know?

 

[MizStery]

I have been reading this forum from a day or two after Holly disappeared. I have had things to say, but never posted. I'm just curious, does everyone think the scream was definitely Holly? It makes sense with the timeline, of course, but it it a given? There were different descriptions of the scream floating through here at different times. I remember the terms "blood-curdling screams," in the plural at one point - I believe it was taken from a newspaper story.

If she did the screaming, and the bleeding, the unforced "walk to the woods" is very unlikely in my opinion. And these sorts of things make Clint's story sound off. The kneeling figures story - ok. If he did get up at 7:50, and saw them at that time going into the woods, when exactly did he see them kneeling in the garage? And if he did see them kneeling in the garage, was that AFTER
she supposedly screamed? It would have to be, because he says he didn't hear a scream. So we have Holly, who has perhaps just emitted blood-curdling screams, kneeling in the garage with someone between 7:40 and 7:50. Closer to 7:50 if that's when he got up..... BUT he said at one point he called his mother regarding the "people" and voices in the garage. When did that call take place? It was a separate call from when he told her they were walking towards the woods. Can these statements he made to the media about what he was doing that morning be added to that timeline to make sense? (He said these things in that first full family interview where Dana got whisked off after mentioning the blood)

And if someone took her away - there HAD to be transport somewhere. It couldn't happen on foot in five minutes before the police arrived with no trail. HOW? So where was the transport? It had to be close to get her in it so quickly. Why didn't the cops find evidence of it? These are big problems for me. They make no sense. Something is very off, but any wayward theories I have had I cannot square with the timeline - because of the scream.

Does anyone know if all cars - including, and especially Drew's, have been examined? There were an awful lot of phone calls that morning - before the scream. BEFORE. I still wonder if there wasn't an accident of some sort. Suddenly we have a gun involved, and Drew is also hunting. You know?

Welcome to the forum. I learned a lot from your post I didn't know about this case. Excellent questions by the way.

Oh, how I wish LE was at liberty to at least release the 911's or the cell phone records. I have gone on record to theorize that since the blood was contaminated we may never have an answer. Holly and her family and friends need resolution. Please tell me that somehow this will be solved.

I read about Holly last April. My husband who never asks about unsolved
crimes asks about Holly. There is something special about her that stays with you. MOO

 

[Oriah]

Welcome to the forum. I learned a lot from your post I didn't know about this case. Excellent questions by the way.

Oh, how I wish LE was at liberty to at least release the 911's or the cell phone records. I have gone on record to theorize that since the blood was contaminated we may never have an answer. Holly and her family and friends need resolution. Please tell me that somehow this will be solved.

I read about Holly last April. My husband who never asks about unsolved
crimes asks about Holly. There is something special about her that stays with you. MOO

BBM:
Could you explain this statement a bit more? TIA.

 

[MizStery]

BBM:
Could you explain this statement a bit more? TIA.

I do not know very much about CSI..I will sound ignorant..but here goes. Please jump in if you have any knowledge on this subject.

I believe LE preserves a crime scene because of the wealth of information it gives them. Key to this bodily fluids. Florensics can gleam a lot of data from blood collected at a crime scene. But for it to hold up in court it has to be collected and has to be handled in a precise way or it is considered contaminated. There have been some famous televised court cases thrown out where evidence has been destroyed by careless individuals. Also,there is a TV show about the subject(which i have never seen). The blood outside Holly's car
would have been contaminted by individuals at the site. This would have rendered the wealth of information it contained almost worthless. It seems forensics are so critical in court that a key piece of evidence would have been deemed inadmissible. Perhaps the one piece that could solve this case.MOO

 

[Darcyline]

The thing that strikes me about that morning is no matter how crazy the story I feel like it is sort of locked in for a timeline unless a TON of people are in on a conspiracy including multiple teachers, secretary, both parents, CB, Holly's friends, and the neighbors, and LE. Like, every major time is recorded by a phone call and outside witnesses. It doesn't leave me a lot of space to think of ideas outside the box-like, if she was dead earlier than everyone says or if it was an accident. If CB accidentally killed her he is the quickest and most efficient killer ever to literally kill her and hide the body and be calling family/911 all in a 10-15 minute time period.

I still don't get how we can have an actual puddle of blood, yet her also walking semi-normally into the woods not being led, helped, or dragged. Or why at least CB stood around and didn't charge into the woods after them. Or why the abductor sat in the garage with her for at least 10 minutes and even with that 10 minutes it didn't help Holly. Like, most abductions seem so fast that in a blink of an eye they are over-someone grabbed from a bed or from a front door or from a side of the road and hauled off before anyone could react. This one? Really?

Just some musings.

 

[~n/t~]

The thing that strikes me about that morning is no matter how crazy the story I feel like it is sort of locked in for a timeline unless a TON of people are in on a conspiracy including multiple teachers, secretary, both parents, CB, Holly's friends, and the neighbors, and LE. Like, every major time is recorded by a phone call and outside witnesses. It doesn't leave me a lot of space to think of ideas outside the box-like, if she was dead earlier than everyone says or if it was an accident. If CB accidentally killed her he is the quickest and most efficient killer ever to literally kill her and hide the body and be calling family/911 all in a 10-15 minute time period.

I still don't get how we can have an actual puddle of blood, yet her also walking semi-normally into the woods not being led, helped, or dragged. Or why at least CB stood around and didn't charge into the woods after them. Or why the abductor sat in the garage with her for at least 10 minutes and even with that 10 minutes it didn't help Holly. Like, most abductions seem so fast that in a blink of an eye they are over-someone grabbed from a bed or from a front door or from a side of the road and hauled off before anyone could react. This one? Really?

Just some musings.

If you remove all non family phone calls (excluding Drew), and the 7:40 scream heard by the nieghbour. If we go with the accident theory, it could've happened as early as 7:00 am.

The scream is what stumps me but then again, we don't even know if it was Holly.

 

[Darcyline]

It says that she talked to her Mother and Drew around 730-if she was dead a half hour earlier did someone else use her phone to call Mom and Drew, have a short conversation, and hope it tricked LE? That is pretty smooth thinking if you have a half hour or less since you killed someone. Plus, you have to have multiple family members and Drew in on the conspiracy including outside family members who were also getting calls from Mom at that time. All of this to cover up an accident and make everyone cool with covering up the accident in a half hour or less.

Just seems like a lot of people involved in a fairly complex elaborate lie.

 

[Plumeria5]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Love it!!!

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

A puddle of blood is discerning. An artery or very large vein opened would do that. I don't see a nosebleed leaving a puddle because the patient moves about and Holly didn't just stand there and let her nose drip blood in one place. The wound had to be pretty bad, I would think. If she was superficially cut through her clothing, the clothes would absorb the blood and not leave a puddle. She was dripping blood and not moving at the time.

There had to be a trail if this was not the last place she was..:waitasec:

We just heard in the last few days it was a puddle, before that it was (a drop, a spot, flecks, etc). I wouldn't be to quick to take this "puddle" too serious, until we find out just what constitutes a "puddle" in Parsons. Apparently things "are not what they seem" in that neck of the woods. Just sayin!:waitasec:

 

[Plumeria5]

I was trying to think of a way the neighbor's son could have pulled this off.
He calls his mom on the way to Holly's and says he hears a scream. Tells her he is on his way to work when he is really about to abduct her. While everyone is racing to the Bobos he is "driving to work". It appears he owns his own construction company so does he really have anyone to report to once he arrives at work? Or is there some fresh concrete or a grave he had already dug? Seems unlikely as that is extremely brazen to alert his mom that something was going on. But who knows??

 

[~n/t~]

I was trying to think of a way the neighbor's son could have pulled this off.
He calls his mom on the way to Holly's and says he hears a scream. Tells her he is on his way to work when he is really about to abduct her. While everyone is racing to the Bobos he is "driving to work". It appears he owns his own construction company so does he really have anyone to report to once he arrives at work? Or is there some fresh concrete or a grave he had already dug? Seems unlikely as that is extremely brazen to alert his mom that something was going on. But who knows??

Considering nobody is ruled out, it is a possibility. He's the only one who heard the scream. His mom didn't hear it. Clint didn't hear it. Wish we knew more about the neighbour. We don't even know his age. I thought living with mom would put him in the 20+ but if he owns his own company (do we know that for a fact - I don't recall) then he must be in his 30's or 40's?:waitasec:

 

[wishuwerehere]

Regarding all of the phone calls related to Holly (i.e. communicating w/ her directly) that morning - Do we know if any of these calls vere VOICE calls, or were they text only?