TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Plumeria5]

Considering nobody is ruled out, it is a possibility. He's the only one who heard the scream. His mom didn't hear it. Clint didn't hear it. Wish we knew more about the neighbour. We don't even know his age. I thought living with mom would put him in the 20+ but if he owns his own company (do we know that for a fact - I don't recall) then he must be in his 30's or 40's?:waitasec:

His hame is JB right? There is a construction company with his full name, one employee (himself), home construction. Haven't been able to find anything definitive about his age but had read around 40.

 

[Plumeria5]

Regarding all of the phone calls related to Holly (i.e. communicating w/ her directly) that morning - Do we know if any of these calls vere VOICE calls, or were they text only?

Her friend, Hannah says her cell was weak so called Holly from the home phone. (around 7am) Guessing that she means land line she couldn't have text so that must have been a voice call.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Her friend, Hannah says her cell was weak so called Holly from the home phone. (around 7am) Guessing that she means land line she couldn't have text so that must have been a voice call.

So, the last VOICE call that we know of is around 7:00 a.m. This is a 1 hour window before police arrive, unless we can confirm another VOICE call after the 7:00 a.m. call w/ her friend.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Considering nobody is ruled out, it is a possibility. He's the only one who heard the scream. His mom didn't hear it. Clint didn't hear it. Wish we knew more about the neighbour. We don't even know his age. I thought living with mom would put him in the 20+ but if he owns his own company (do we know that for a fact - I don't recall) then he must be in his 30's or 40's?:waitasec:

......and we have made it a point to wonder why Clint did not hear the scream, but it seems more importantly, the neighbors mother did not hear the scream either. That would even be stranger, Wasn't he right outside his mothers home, and she wasn't still sleeping??

Question --now we only have neighbor boy/man hearing scream---was it really a scream??

 

[Plumeria5]

......and we have made it a point to wonder why Clint did not hear the scream, but it seems more importantly, the neighbors mother did not hear the scream either. That would even be stranger, Wasn't he right outside his mothers home, and she wasn't still sleeping??

Question --now we only have neighbor boy/man hearing scream---was it really a scream??

The plot thickens...

 

[MizStery]

I was trying to think of a way the neighbor's son could have pulled this off.
He calls his mom on the way to Holly's and says he hears a scream. Tells her he is on his way to work when he is really about to abduct her. While everyone is racing to the Bobos he is "driving to work". It appears he owns his own construction company so does he really have anyone to report to once he arrives at work? Or is there some fresh concrete or a grave he had already dug? Seems unlikely as that is extremely brazen to alert his mom that something was going on. But who knows??

I am using Mr. Noatek's timeline. 7:40~ James 350 feet from the Bobo's home hears scream,
calls his mother on cell.~ Timeline clock is ticking.... James mother then calls Holly's mother
Holly's mother calls Holly's brother and then 911. Clock ticking~Mother calls Holly's brother back to say man seen with
Holly is not Drew. Holly's brother tells mother Holly and man are entering woods.The rest is in Mr Noatec's timeline.

Based on timeline in above paragraph ....Holly's brother see's Holly entering woods after James heard the scream. If I am using Mr. Noatek's excellent timeline. The scream is perhaps 5 minutes minutes pior to Holly's brother
telling mom on cell that Holly is leaving for the woods with man.

If Holly is seen after the scream what possible reason would James have for claiming he hears scream at 7:40?

I just can't make it work ...the scream has to be at least five minutes pior to CB observing Holly & man entering the woods. Please correct any thing inaccurate in my post. Perhaps I can't see the forest for the trees.MOO

 

[Plumeria5]

I am using Mr. Noatek's timeline. 7:40~ James 350 feet from the Bobo's home hears scream, calls his mother on cell.~ Timeline clock is ticking.... James mother then calls Holly's mother Holly's mother calls Holly's brother and then 911. Clock ticking~Mother calls Holly's brother back to say man seen with
Holly is not Drew. Holly's brother tells mother Holly and man are entering woods.The rest is in Mr Noatec's timeline.

Based on timeline in above paragraph ....Holly's brother see's Holly entering woods after James heard the scream. If I am using Mr. Noatek's excellent timeline. The scream is perhaps 5 minutes minutes pior to Holly's brother
telling mom on cell that Holly is leaving for the woods with man.

I just can't make it work ...the scream has to be at least five minutes pior to CB see's Holly & man enter woods. Please correct any thing inaccurate in my post. Perhaps I can't see the forest for the trees.MOO

Maybe he was already at the Bobos hiding when he called?

 

[Oriah]

All correct, in my very limited experience. (Not CSI, here- but do know a lot about preserving evidence.)
I guess I was wondering why you thought the site where the blood was located initially was contaminated, and by whom?
TIA for any thoughts on this.

I do not know very much about CSI..I will sound ignorant..but here goes. Please jump in if you have any knowledge on this subject.

I believe LE preserves a crime scene because of the wealth of information it gives them. Key to this bodily fluids. Florensics can gleam a lot of data from blood collected at a crime scene. But for it to hold up in court it has to be collected and has to be handled in a precise way or it is considered contaminated. There have been some famous televised court cases thrown out where evidence has been destroyed by careless individuals. Also,there is a TV show about the subject(which i have never seen). The blood outside Holly's car
would have been contaminted by individuals at the site. This would have rendered the wealth of information it contained almost worthless. It seems forensics are so critical in court that a key piece of evidence would have been deemed inadmissible. Perhaps the one piece that could solve this case.MOO

 

[Plumeria5]

Maybe just a coincidence but it seems Holly was leaving for school and JB was leaving for work at almost the same exact time.

 

[cluciano63]

Presumably the man who heard the scream arrived at work as scheduled and therefore did not have time to make Holly completely vanish before doing so...or at least, one would think this has been verified.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Maybe he was already at the Bobos hiding when he called?

:waitasec:OH! Are you saying the neighbor (JB) may be the person involved with Holly's abduction? Do we know anything about this guy?

 

[MizStery]

All correct, in my very limited experience. (Not CSI, here- but do know a lot about preserving evidence.)
I guess I was wondering why you thought the site where the blood was located initially was contaminated, and by whom?
TIA for any thoughts on this.

If you have been present at the processing and preserving of crime scenes then even your limited knowledge exceeds mine. But,to answer your question I went to approx. page 43 of thread #29 & found a post that linked the Jackson Sun article but the screen said the story was no longer available. I can only paraphrase what LE said about the blood evidence so take that in consideration. It was something to the effect that LE was so overwhelmed by people just showing up that it made preservation of evidence nearly impossible. I believe Holly's father attempted to cordon off the blood evidence.
But,the scene had already been compromised by people passing by going to the backyard and just milling around.MOO

 

[Plumeria5]

:waitasec:OH! Are you saying the neighbor (JB) may be the person involved with Holly's abduction? Do we know anything about this guy?

Just throwing that out there. Seems to own his own construction company, lives in a trailer on mom's property, and I believe I am right in saying they are the Bobo's neighbor to the south.

 

[MizStery]

All correct, in my very limited experience. (Not CSI, here- but do know a lot about preserving evidence.)
I guess I was wondering why you thought the site where the blood was located initially was contaminated, and by whom?
TIA for any thoughts on this.

I went back to thead #29 and found a great post by Frogzilla. I copied it and here it is.

Thank's Frogzilla!

http://m.jacksonsun.com/news/article...10130314&f=645
Holly Bobo's family questions early handling of investigation

Here are some snippets-
"A lot of people stuck their nose in law enforcement business that day, and too many people showed up there at one time," Wyatt said. "We were trying to keep people away as best as we could, but when you have a few hundred people showing up, it is hard to do."

Wyatt said the deputies had a hard time keeping people from going into the backyard, but that no one walked around the area where Holly was last seen.

But Clint said people walked all around the area where he last saw his sister and that this was one of his largest concerns.

"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined.

Wyatt said deputies did not want to enter the area or allow others to do so for fear that they would impair some evidence that might be found and because they were waiting on a search dog and trying to gather information leading them to go a certain direction.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Presumable the man who heard the scream arrived at work as scheduled and therefore did not have time to make Holly completely vanish before doing so...or at least, one would think this has been verified.

OH , right!! Let's presume "something in this case". After all, Clu, haven't they proven how "efficient" and "by -the-book" this investigation has been so far? Not a loose end in site, LOL!

LE may have this info, but I do not believe they have released that info about the neighbor, just Drew.

 

[cluciano63]

Why report the scream if he was the perp? Or at least why not wait until he got to work? And again, if he got to work on time, I don't see how he could be the kidnapper. Surely LE checked him out?

 

[Plumeria5]

Why report the scream if he was the perp? Or at least why not wait until he got to work? And again, if he got to work on time, I don't see how he could be the kidnapper. Surely LE checked him out?

He owns his own company so doesn't have to report in to work. Yes, possible that his client says he was there at a certain time. I don't think all abductors think too logically. And again, he may have just been a concerned neighbor. Wish he would have gone and checked on the scream if that was the case.

 

[MizStery]

Why report the scream if he was the perp? Or at least why not wait until he got to work? And again, if he got to work on time, I don't see how he could be the kidnapper. Surely LE checked him out?

If they haven't asked for an alibi ...they sure will now.

In all honesty I do believe LE has exhausted that lead.MOO

 

[birpu]

I can't buy the suspicious neighbor theory, because Clint claims he saw Holly and perp walking into the woods at 7:50. If that was the neighbor walking her off at 7:50, why in heaven's name would he report a scream to his mother at 7:40 and then go next door and nab Holly? That just makes no sense, folks. Either the scream was Holly and she probably was abducted at that moment by person/s unknown, or the scream was not Holly and we have no idea what happened to her or when exactly it happened. Or the scream was a screech owl, bobcat, fox or mountain lion. All those things make sounds like a woman screaming for her life. Google it.

 

[MizStery]

I can't buy the suspicious neighbor theory, because Clint claims he saw Holly and perp walking into the woods at 7:50. If that was the neighbor walking her off at 7:50, why in heaven's name would he report a scream to his mother at 7:40 and then go next door and nab Holly? That just makes no sense, folks. Either the scream was Holly and she probably was abducted at that moment by person/s unknown, or the scream was not Holly and we have no idea what happened to her or when exactly it happened. Or the scream was a screech owl, bobcat, fox or mountain lion. All those things make sounds like a woman screaming for her life. Google it.

How about a herd of stampeding wild turkey's screaming for their lives?:floorlaugh: