TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[wishuwerehere]

The accident theory makes sense to me up to a point. Unfortunately, gun accidents happen almost everyday in this country. However, I can’t scale the wall of a cover-up. What would be the motive to cover up an accident, especially if the victim is not a minor?

 

[Darcyline]

The scream bothers me too. I just simply do not get how Clint could be sitting in his room to the point that he could hear voices in the garage, but didn't hear a shriek loud enough to reach and alarm neighbors 350+ yards away. I know people here have tried to explain that in various ways saying "sound carries weird" and other stuff, but I am just not comfortable with it.

I also still don't get the timing even within the timeline we have. Like, we have a fairly structured (at least to me-I realize not everyone agrees) timeline for that entire important hour, but the gaps seem insanely significant.

I wonder what type of injury caused a puddle of blood too. A puddle feels like a lot, but a few minutes later she was walking casually into the woods?

Ok, now I am repeating myself.

 

[~n/t~]

The accident theory makes sense to me up to a point. Unfortunately, gun accidents happen almost everyday in this country. However, I can’t scale the wall of a cover-up. What would be the motive to cover up an accident, especially if the victim is not a minor?

I don't know the answers to these so just throwing out possibilities:

Would hunting without a license and accidently shooting someone get the person in a lot of trouble? What about not having a valid gun permit or expired one and shooting someone? What if it wasn't an accident?

 

[birpu]

There are accidents and there are accidents. I suppose something could happen in an argument that wasn't intended to happen. That might cause someone to want to cover it up. Then once a coverup starts, you sort of have to keep going.....

 

[birpu]

Hey, what do you all make of this statement from the recent article in the Jackson Sun, Oct 13? I find it highly interesting, especially the part that I capitalized. Which I would have done in boldface, but I don't know how on my Macbook Air. Anyway:

"Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Special Agent John Mehr said the information his agents recorded that morning did not lead him to believe people coming into the yard hindered the investigation.

"I don't believe that was the case," Mehr said. "We have to believe what was told to us by the initial responders, and the other thing is that WE HAVE A WRITTEN RECORD OF WHAT WE SAW AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD THAT MORNING. OTHER PEOPLE MAY TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT THEY SAID, BUT WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT. And I have no doubt the initial responders told us the truth." "
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314

It sure sounds to me like he is saying Clint's (and others'?) statements are on record - and Clint can now recall something else, but he believes what Clint first said, and is hinting that Clint can't quite remember exactly what that was - but he has it. It's recorded. Do you get the same thing from this?

 

[birpu]

Just thinking out loud. Then I need to go clear out some yard debris on this fine Sunday before winter strikes. My above post leads me to one conclusion.

"Initial responders" are LE, obviously. That's who Mehr says he believes. So this has to mean there is a discrepancy in what LE was initially told and what was told afterwards. This statement of his also includes the curious bit about the yard being full of people, which he doesn't believe was a problem. He is talking about the back yard at that point. This is in response to a question about the family's concern that evidence was trampled.

OK. What I get from THIS is that he believes a different story than the "walk to the woods" version. If they had been told about a walk to the woods, surely they would have secured that area right away. This takes us back to the very first reporting where she was "dragged" across the carport. Maybe the walk through the backyard to the woods was added later, and he isn't buying it.

 

[Dogface]

I have thought about the accident theory more than a couple of times....I have always thought it was possible she could have been shot with a bow and arrow(wouldnt create a lot of blood) and then the person(maybe someone she trusted) convinced her to walk to their car that could have been parked nearby so they could drive her to get help(in the country a lot of times in an emergency you just drive to the hospital instead of waiting for an ambulance)...and perhaps she died on the way to the hospital, and in fear, they dumped her and her belongings.

 

[MizStery]

Just thinking out loud. Then I need to go clear out some yard debris on this fine Sunday before winter strikes. My above post leads me to one conclusion.

"Initial responders" are LE, obviously. That's who Mehr says he believes. So this has to mean there is a discrepancy in what LE was initially told and what was told afterwards. This statement of his also includes the curious bit about the yard being full of people, which he doesn't believe was a problem. He is talking about the back yard at that point. This is in response to a question about the family's concern that evidence was trampled.

OK. What I get from THIS is that he believes a different story than the "walk to the woods" version. If they had been told about a walk to the woods, surely
they would have secured that area right away. This takes us back to the very

first reporting where she was "dragged" across the carport. Maybe the walk through the backyard to the woods was added later, and he isn't buying it.

Great interpretation. Everytime I read one of your posts I learn something. I have been following Holly's disappearance since spring. I did not begin to read this forum until late in thread #29. I missed everything in the first interviews
with the family. Thanks to everyone for pointing out discrepancies in retelling
of events.

I cannot speak for Mr. Naotak but do other posters feel documented events given in interviews should be in the timeline i.e. CB in the first interview recalling how he saw Holly and the man kneeling by her car? I think it provides a reference for how CB recollection of that morning has shifted. Sometimes things omitted are just as important as things mentioned in recalling stressful events.

As you can see brevity is not one of my strong suits. MOO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

"Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Special Agent John Mehr said the information his agents recorded that morning did not lead him to believe people coming into the yard hindered the investigation.

What else are they going to say--I doubt we will ever really know the truth.

"I don't believe that was the case," Mehr said. "We have to believe what was told to us by the initial responders, and the other thing is that WE HAVE A WRITTEN RECORD OF WHAT WE SAW AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD THAT MORNING. OTHER PEOPLE MAY TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT THEY SAID, BUT WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT. And I have no doubt the initial responders told us the truth." "
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20111013/NEWS25/110130314

It sure sounds to me like he is saying Clint's (and others'?) statements are on record - and Clint can now recall something else, but he believes what Clint first said, and is hinting that Clint can't quite remember exactly what that was - but he has it. It's recorded. Do you get the same thing from this?

Yes, and that strikes me as a pretty scary statement to be made by state LE officials, especially considering it was given to them by the initial responders who are going to cover for themselves.

The only "true" statement ? "Nothing is what it seems", and we continue to wait.

One thing I found interesting in this article (paraphrasing) the church and family were going to pray and fast for Holly's "RELEASE". Maybe just worded wrong then again maybe they know more then we do and Holly is being held captive, but she is still alive..We can hope!

 

[wfgodot]

TBI may "have a record of it," but they got the first crucial fact of this case wrong, i.e. whether Holly was walked or forced into the woods.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Another thing that is of concern if the area around the Bobo house was trampled on, ATV's were used in the woods, and water bottles were brought to the scene and trash discarded or dropped prior to the crime scene being "secured", think about it.

The perp or perps could have been among the searchers, thereby explaining :banghead:any evidence connected to them as part of the "search" not the "crime".

 

[birpu]

Well - not trying to cause trouble, but isn't that an assumption, that LE got the "dragged" "walked" part wrong? Maybe they WERE told "dragged." They have not released the transcripts of what exactly was told to them that morning. There is probably a reason for that, and I think that is a pretty strong statement for Mehr to make if he can't back it up. So I'm betting he can. We could just as easily be asking why Clint told one story to LE immediately after the event and then changed it later. But we don't really know if he did or not. It certainly seems Mehr is suggesting that.

When I assume what Mehr just said is fact, it makes sense with their investigation (why they haven't found Holly or her body is hard to understand, though...). When I assume the story lines from Clint over the last two months since he's been talking are true - I get more confused. I'm still trying to accept his versions as true, but it is hard - very hard - to make sense of what he says, and he has changed his story in public even since he started talking.

 

[~n/t~]

TBI may "have a record of it," but they got the first crucial fact of this case wrong, i.e. whether Holly was walked or forced into the woods.

Clint made a written statement so that should clear that up. I don't think TBI got it wrong.

 

[~n/t~]

I have thought about the accident theory more than a couple of times....I have always thought it was possible she could have been shot with a bow and arrow(wouldnt create a lot of blood) and then the person(maybe someone she trusted) convinced her to walk to their car that could have been parked nearby so they could drive her to get help(in the country a lot of times in an emergency you just drive to the hospital instead of waiting for an ambulance)...and perhaps she died on the way to the hospital, and in fear, they dumped her and her belongings.

or buried her...by a church, imo. Bow and arrow makes sense. It would explain not hearing a gunshot. It reminds me of a case that I saw on 48 hours. I don't recall the names off the top of my head but the husband was convicted of murder. He (and his defense) said it was an accident.

 

[~n/t~]

Another thing that is of concern if the area around the Bobo house was trampled on, ATV's were used in the woods, and water bottles were brought to the scene and trash discarded or dropped prior to the crime scene being "secured", think about it.

The perp or perps could have been among the searchers, thereby explaining :banghead:any evidence connected to them as part of the "search" not the "crime".

Yes and Clint is making sure we know that the evidence may have been tampered with.

 

[wfgodot]

If TBI didn't get the "forced"/"walked" wrong, why does their first press release mention "dragged," (excuse me - "drug") yet in a day or so they were pitching the "walked" story? They're in charge of the official narrative, not Clint. At the very least they were cavalierly premature in releasing information, no matter what they had "recorded." This dichotomy might be seen as the Original Sin of this case (well, were it not for leaving the perimeter unsecured after LE arrived on the scene).

 

[SmoothOperator]

4:30am*Holly awoke to study for an exam @8am. She studied in her room, alone, on her bed, and with the door shut..(time verified only via Holly's telling her mom later that morning)

5:30am*Dana stops at Holly's bedroom door and speaks to Holly thru her closed door asking did she need any money. She replies yes and he leaves it for her on kitchen counter.

5:35am*Dana leaves for work.

5:35am*Karen awoke and went into Holly's room to speak with her. Holly was studying on her bed.

Just shy of 7:00am*Holly is now studying at the kitchen table. Karen packs Holly's lunch and puts her breakfast in the microwave.

7:00am*Karen leaves to go to work(26 min travel time to work)

7:00am*Hannah calls Holly from her home landline on Holly's cell.. Holly indicates she is going to eat her breakfast and put her shoes on to leave.

Almost 7:30am*Holly's at the kitchen table studying when she receives a call from Drew. He proceeds to tell her of the cousin not recognizing him and wasn't giving permission for he and his dad to hunt on her grandma's 60acres located across the county.

7:30-7:35am*A flurry of calls take place between Holly, Drew, and Karen discussing the incident of Drew's not being recognized to hunt grandma's property.

7:35am*Karen speaks to Holly for the last time via cell phone.<Noted that Clint was still in bed asleep.>.

7:40am*James Barnes(neighbor to the south)Hears a scream from the Bobo's house. He alerts his mom(who lived there as well) and then left for work.

Around 7:40am*Cathy Wise(James' mom) calls Karen at school amd leaves her a msg in the office.

7:45am*Karen receives the neighbor's msg while in the school cafeteria.

7:50am*Clint is awakened by the dog barking. He looks out the window and sees no unfamiliar vehicles, but does see Holly's car. This prompts him to call mom as he'd already looked around and knew Holly was not in the home. He says his call was to ask if Holly had received a ride to school or did not have school that day. Mom's phone is in her classroom so he gets no answer.

At some point AFTER 7:50am**mom after receiving neighbor's msg she uses library phone to call home. Clint tells mom that Holly's car is still home. Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911(routed to Henderson Co)

7:50am*After the call Clint looks out the kitchen window and sees his sister and who he believed to be Drew casually walking towards the woods. This prompts him to call Holly's cell. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail. He then calls Drew's phone.. It rings 5 times and goes to voicemail.<Noted that this assures Clint that Holly/Drew were indeed together with neither answering their cell phone.>.

7:55am*Karen again calls home with Clint relaying he'd just seen Holly/Drew walking towards the woods. Mom immediately tells Clint that is NOT DREW.call 911.Mom then tells Clint to get a gun and go after the man! Mom immediately hangs up and calls 911 a second time.*<Noted that at this time mom still HAD NOT told Clint that Drew had been on the other side of the county hunting.. THO THAT WAS MUCH EARLIER BUT FACT WAS CLINT STATED AT THAT TIME HE STILL BELIEVED IT TO BE DREW.

8:00am*Clint with loaded gun leaves out the backdoor of the residence, walks thru the open garage attached to the house. He sees a puddle of blood near Holly's car. *<Noted that even at this point Clint was still NOT alarmed, still believed it was Drew, and the blood was from a turkey(tho clearly no turkey in site)>.

About 8:00am*Clint walked towards the woods when Cathy Wise pulls up the driveway( James who heard the scream's mother)*<Noted that the school secretary told Cathy to go to the Bobo home to check> Cathy proceeds to tell Clint about the screams she had heard just some 15-20mins prior.[I personally noted that it does state that "she" heard the scream(s), but could just be the author's choice in words and not meaning it that "she" actually heard the scream(s)]
*<Noted it is at this point that Clint becomes alarmed for the first time> .

About 8:00am*Clint calls 911 at the same time as he heard the engines rev of the quickly approaching patrol cars onto their Swan Johnson Rd.
*<Noted that Clint states that the first officers were on the scene IN LESS THAN 10 mins from the time that he saw his sister/male walking towards the woods>

8:00am*Drew is at his job in Parsons

8:00am-ish*Mom arrives home with Terrie Bromley from school.

8:30am*Dana arrives back home.

What is so very obviously omitted in this version of the timeline is that Clint states he awakes at 7:50am to the dog barking and he immediately goes into his checking out thru the windows and saw that Holly's car was still at home, thus prompting him to call mom and ask had she gotten a ride to school... And gone is the murky details of his looking out the window and seeing 2 "silouhettes" inside the attached garage that were in a kneeling position.. Gone too are the details of his account where he is close enough to the two in the garage that he can actually make out that they had "young sounding" voices(way back at the very beginning even stating he believed the voices soundex as tho they were arguing).. This entire chunk of Clint's account of that morning's events are suddenly gone in this new timeline.. Why? They certainly were hammered on and driven home in the JVM interview with him getting very detailed with the set up and location of the attached garage where he'd first seen and heard two people that morning after being awakened by the dog barking.. His going into further detail that it was due to his not knowing who or why they were in their garage that directly led to his making that initial phonecall to mom that morning.. His wanting to know was it Holly and if so who was she with and what were they doing?.. And then the events of the morning pick back up coinciding with this timeline from his mom returning that first phonecall and his learning Holly should infact have already long since been at school for an early morning important exam..

 

[~n/t~]

If TBI didn't get the "forced"/"walked" wrong, why does their first press release mention "dragged," (excuse me - "drug") yet in a day or so they were pitching the "walked" story? They're in charge of the official narrative, not Clint. At the very least they were cavalierly premature in releasing information, no matter what they had "recorded." This dichotomy might be seen as the Original Sin of this case (well, were it not for leaving the perimeter unsecured after LE arrived on the scene).

Perhaps I have a lot more faith in LE than I do family members in some cases. I don't think TBI would make up words. They reported what was told to them in the inital statement made by the eye witness and made a immediate press release:

http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/documents/MissingWomanFearedVictimofHomeInvasionKidnapping.pdf

If his story changed, that is not TBI's fault and I think some of us are starting to doubt his story. His timeline makes no sense and we've seen him add or delete stuff to his story.

Personally, I have a big issue when that happens. Their credibility goes down the toilet but that's just me.

He's now faulting LE for messing up the crime scene and makes me wonder why.

 

[~n/t~]

Smooth, you may have posted the 26 minutes travel time for Karen and I probably missed it. How did you arrive to the 26 minutes? TIA

In Clint's latest version, Karen was at the house in minutes. Maybe 5 minutes if we calculate all that happened from when he awoke at 7:50 to 8:00.

 

[~n/t~]

If Holly was injured, the "drug" part would make a lot more sense, imo.