TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[cluciano63]

I can't imagine the family being free the next few days to go scatter Holly's belongings though...didn't LE settle in there right away, and they were probably being interviewed all the time.

While Clint's conflicting stories (and they ARE conflicting) don't make sense, I don't suspect him of anything other than possibly a below average IQ and even that is just a guess. If his mom was worried enough to tell him to get a gun and get out there and he still doesn't have much of a reaction, we are probably dealing with a rather slow-witted guy and I am not trying to "slam" him, but at that point, he has a hysterical, by her own words, mom on the phone and he gets the gun and still basically saunters outside? Plus Mom has a witness or more than one to her reaction, and Dad likely has witnesses that he was at work all morning.

My opinion is that Holly was kidnapped and that the most unfortunate part, besides that fact, is that Clint was the witness, as he clearly is not a solid one. JMOJMOJMOJMOJMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

I have to bring up Clint's unusual attitude, behaviors, statements regarding the trail through the woods that he, alone bears witness to Holly/male walking to(and suppose even possibly witnessed their going as far as to enter the woods on that specific trail.. Atleast he seems to indicate this at times).. I am further flabbergasted at this individual's statements, behaviors, and attitudes..

I need to know why in God's creation was Clint under the impression "that they'd likely not be getting Holly back anytime soon" while LE, fam, etc were first arriving and he was to have been writing out his statement to LE of the events that had just occurred?!?!

He would have BEEN THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS IMPRESSION BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION..IMO.. With LE having arrived LESS THAN 10 Minutes from when he witnessed Holly/male casually walking towards the woods.. With the circumstances what they were it's my opinion that in the beginning the opinions, thoughts, views were the exact polar opposite of what Clint states that his were in his believing they'd not be getting Holly back anytime soon!?!? Again, really?? WTH?? Why in the world would he think this when it'd only been less than 10mins from when he'd personally last laid eyes on his sister, the response time is truly unheard of, remarkable in very positive ways of truly having such a small window of literal single digit minutes to have elapsed for the perp being ahead of LE.. It is unheard of.. And I know all of us here in the beginning fully recognized how remarkable it was and many if not most were of the strong belief that this was a huge positive working in Holly's favor and with there being single digit amount of minutes between brother seeing her walking towards the woods(not even counting the minutes it would have taken from that point of their taking the trail thru the woods to where a vehicle had to have been waiting, and then for him to get her into the vehicle and then leave the area.. Once that is combined into the amount of time we are talking literally maybe 5minute head start ahead of LE.. Why in the hell would the eye witness, the brother who knew for certain that he'd just had his eyes in his sister moments prior.. Why him most of all would not be overly positive of Holly quickly being found blows my mind?!?!

Instead we learn from Clint himself the truth of what he felt could not have been more polar opposite.. With his stating he felt that they'd not be getting Holly back any time soon???

Truly within my heart of hearts this is only further directly indicating that what he is telling us is the sequence of events is NOT AT ALL ACCURATE TO WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED THAT MORNING!!! IMO his attitude, his words, his demeanors, and his very own account is indicative of polar opposite of whT is claiming to have happened..

Why was this individual so preoccupied with this entrance and trail thru the woods..?? To the point of being preoccupied away from his LE given task at hand of writing out his exact account of the mornings events.. But he instead feels so strongly about this area.. Even tho according to him he never even saw them actually enter but rather at the time he witnessed the two they were merely walking towards the woods.. His need to keep people away, including his mother in telling her to stay away from and do not go down the trail.. The trail that actually his mom had directed him to go with gun in hand and go after the man with Holly(We know Clint never did.).. IMO mainly because according to Clint the entire duration of all of the events of that morning he firmly believed the male to be Drew. He discredited his moms direct statements to him stating IT WAS NOT DREW.. Each time by continuing to believe it was Drew.. Never becoming in the least bit alarmed(his statements), continuing to discredit his moms fears and statements, and only becomes alarmed as LE are heard on Swan Johnson Rd(his statements)..*

Now suddenly a few moments later and he goes from feeling no alarm or worry of his sister's well being.. To his stating that he knew they'd likely not be getting Holly back anytime soon.. WTH?? Really??

I just cannot stress enough just how very alarming these details of this case are.. And they defy logic as well as they are as nonsensical as anything I have EVER SEEN OR HEARD?!?!
*WTH? Why of all people would Clint Bobo at that time and place have been of the opinion, attitude, view that they'd not be getting Holly back anytime soon?? Now really?? Why??

Why the sudden preoccupation of that one particular area?? To the point of directing his mother to not go on that trail(when fact is that's exactly what she did.. Just as I would have too.. As a mom desperately running after your child you know was there just moments before).. Clint desperate to keep people away from this area.. But no concern of an area where he'd actually seen a puddle of fresh blood, *that so easily could have been the perps.. A direct DNA link to the perp.. Talk about something to be preoccupied with keeping people away from.. But nope per Dana(who didn't even arrive home til ATLEAST 8:30am) the open garage had ppl walking thru it, milling around the blood and some being just nosy..

But Clint mind you was worried about preserving the perps footprints cuz thats all they got(per Clint's words).. Does that make sense?? When in the garage there's a puddle of blood easily belonging to the perp that would be a DNA link to the perp.. But yet there's ppl all over and around that area.. Clint is preoccupied with the entrance to the woods and the trail thru it.. Along with being of the mindset that they'd not be getting Holly back anytime soon!?!?! Hello?!? WTH?!?

What do you guys make of that issue?!?

 

[~n/t~]

Evidence found on road side reported April 25th.

The new clue was found along the road in the northern part of Decatur County, Tenn.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20057123-504083.html

 

[cluciano63]

I have to bring up Clint's unusual attitude, behaviors, statements regarding the trail through the woods that he, alone bears witness to Holly/male walking to(and suppose even possibly witnessed their going as far as to enter the woods on that specific trail.. Atleast he seems to indicate this at times).. I am further flabbergasted at this individual's statements, behaviors, and attitudes..

I need to know why in God's creation was Clint under the impression "that they'd likely not be getting Holly back anytime soon" while LE, fam, etc were first arriving and he was to have been writing out his statement to LE of the events that had just occurred?!?!

He would have BEEN THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS IMPRESSION BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION..IMO.. With LE having arrived LESS THAN 10 Minutes from when he witnessed Holly/male casually walking towards the woods.. With the circumstances what they were it's my opinion that in the beginning the opinions, thoughts, views were the exact polar opposite of what Clint states that his were in his believing they'd not be getting Holly back anytime soon!?!? Again, really?? WTH?? Why in the world would he think this when it'd only been less than 10mins from when he'd personally last laid eyes on his sister, the response time is truly unheard of, remarkable in very positive ways of truly having such a small window of literal single digit minutes to have elapsed for the perp being ahead of LE.. It is unheard of.. And I know all of us here in the beginning fully recognized how remarkable it was and many if not most were of the strong belief that this was a huge positive working in Holly's favor and with there being single digit amount of minutes between brother seeing her walking towards the woods(nit even counting the minutes it would have taken from that point of their taking the trail thru the woods to where a vehicle had to have been waiting, him to get her into the vehicle and then leave the area.. Once that is combined into the amount of time we are talking literally maybe 5minute head start ahead of LE.. Why in the hell would the eye witness, the brother who knew for certain that he'd just had his eyes in his sister moments prior.. Why him most of all would not be overly positive of Holly quickly being found???

Instead we learn from Clint himself the truth of what he felt could not have been more polar opposite.. With his stating he felt that they'd not be getting Holly back any time soon???

Truly within my heart of hearts this is only further directly indicating that what he is telling us is the sequence of events is NOT AT ALL ACCURATE TO WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED THAT MORNING!!! IMO his attitude, his words, his demeanors, and his very own account is indicative of polar opposite of whT is claiming to have happened..

Why was this individual so preoccupied with this entrance and trail thru the woods.. To the point of being preoccupied away from his LE given task at hand of writing out his exact account of the mornings events.. But he instead feels so strongly about this area that according to him he never even saw them actually enter but rather at the time he witnessed the two they were merely walking towards the woods.. His need to keep people away, including his mother in telling her to stay away from and do not go down the trail.. The trail that actually his mom had directed him to go with his gun and go after the man with Holly(We know Clint never did.).. IMO mainly because according to Clint the entire duration of all of the events of that morning he firmly believed the make to be Drew. His discredited his moms direct statements to him stati g otherwise.. Each time by continuing to believe it was Drew.. Never becowing in the least bit alarmed(his statements), continuing to discredit his moms fears and statements, and only becomes alarmed as LE are heard on Swan Johnson Rd(his statements)..

Now suddenly a few moments later and he goes from feeling no alarm or worry of his sister's well being.. To his stating that he knew they'd likely not be getting Holly back anytime soon.. WTH?? Really??

I just cannot stress enough just how very alarming these details of this case are.. And they defy logic as well as they are as nonsensical as anything I have EVER SEEN OR HEARD?!?!
WTH? Why of all people would Clint Bobo at that time and place have been of the opinion, attitude, view that they'd not be getting Holly back anytime soon?? Really now??

Why the sudden preoccupation of that one particular area?? To the point of directing his mother to not go on that trail(when fact is that's exactly what she did.. Just as I would have too.. As a mom desperately running after your child you know was there just moments before).. Clint desperate to keep people away from this area.. But no concern of an area where he'd actually seen a puddle of fresh blood, easily could have been the perps.. A direct DNA link to the perp.. Talk about something to be preoccupied with keeping people away from.. But nope per Dana(who didn't even arrive home til ATLEAST 8:30am) the open garage had ppl walking thru it, milling around the blood and being nosy..

But Clint mind you was worried about preserving the perps footprints cuz thats all they got(per Clint's words).. Does that make sense?? When in the garage there's a puddle of blood easily belonging to the perp that would be a DNA link to the perp.. But yet there's ppl all over and around that area.. Clint is preoccupied with the entrance to the woods and the trail thru it.. Along with being of the mindset that they'd nkt be getting Holly back anytime soon!?!?! Hello?!? WTH?!?

What do guys make of that issue?!?

I am thinking that a statement anaylsis expert would have a stroke over Clint's choice of words and phrases...especially the part of not seeing her again for a while...

 

[cluciano63]

Hate to have back-to-back posts, but one thing that makes me crazy is Holly's mom not taking her phone when she left school, if I have that right. What if Holly tried to call her?

 

[~n/t~]

Smooth, I don't make anything of it except that if he is involved, he now claims the crime scene was contaminated. Hard to say what evidence was gathered if any on that morning because TBI is not saying much. We do know that it went from family ruled out to everyone is a suspect. What that means and why they made that statement is anyone's guess. My guess is Clint's account does not add up to whatever evidence they have.

 

[~n/t~]

I am thinking that a statement anaylsis expert would have a stroke over Clint's choice of words and phrases...especially the part of not seeing her again for a while...

:floorlaugh:

 

[~n/t~]

I can't imagine the family being free the next few days to go scatter Holly's belongings though...didn't LE settle in there right away, and they were probably being interviewed all the time.

While Clint's conflicting stories (and they ARE conflicting) don't make sense, I don't suspect him of anything other than possibly a below average IQ and even that is just a guess. If his mom was worried enough to tell him to get a gun and get out there and he still doesn't have much of a reaction, we are probably dealing with a rather slow-witted guy and I am not trying to "slam" him, but at that point, he has a hysterical, by her own words, mom on the phone and he gets the gun and still basically saunters outside? Plus Mom has a witness or more than one to her reaction, and Dad likely has witnesses that he was at work all morning.

My opinion is that Holly was kidnapped and that the most unfortunate part, besides that fact, is that Clint was the witness, as he clearly is not a solid one. JMOJMOJMOJMOJMO

His behaviour that morning was more than bizarre, imo. I'd love to have a sit down with him. lol

"Dude, there was no freakin turkey, quit the BS and tell me what happened"

 

[birpu]

So.... whatever happened to Holly - I'm assuming she's no longer with us because of the blood and the elapsed time. Is it that hard for LE to find a body? If you have a limited amount of time to hide a body, you can't take it far. I wonder why they haven't found anything, especially if they searched with dogs. I'm having a hard time coming up with how you dispose of a body and leave no trace in so little time. If you put it in a car and drive off, you still have to put it somewhere, and your car will have lots of DNA evidence in it for the police. They checked the ponds. Anybody know where the grandmother's 60 acres is in relation to Bobo's? All I heard was "across the county."

 

[~n/t~]

Hunting accident cases with convictions:

http://kilgore.kltv.com/content/man-jailed-rusk-co-hunting-accident

http://www.criminalattorneypa.com/2...-conviction-on-pennsylvania-gun-charges.shtml

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/07/11/pennsylvania-lawyer-gets-10-25-years-after-hunting-accident/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-24/man-shot-in-emerald-hunting-accident/2770360

I'm sure there are others.....

 

[cluciano63]

So.... whatever happened to Holly - I'm assuming she's no longer with us because of the blood and the elapsed time. Is it that hard for LE to find a body? If you have a limited amount of time to hide a body, you can't take it far. I wonder why they haven't found anything, especially if they searched with dogs. I'm having a hard time coming up with how you dispose of a body and leave no trace in so little time. If you put it in a car and drive off, you still have to put it somewhere, and your car will have lots of DNA evidence in it for the police. They checked the ponds. Anybody know where the grandmother's 60 acres is in relation to Bobo's? All I heard was "across the county."

But you can take a body as far as you want to, if you jump into a truck or car and just keep driving...there is no real reason to think she is even in TN, except to hear LE say it. If the person isn't someone they have investigated, they don't have an alibi to compare with, for a timeframe as to when he was seen next or last. And we all know that many bodies are not found for years, if ever.

 

[~n/t~]

So.... whatever happened to Holly - I'm assuming she's no longer with us because of the blood and the elapsed time. Is it that hard for LE to find a body? If you have a limited amount of time to hide a body, you can't take it far. I wonder why they haven't found anything, especially if they searched with dogs. I'm having a hard time coming up with how you dispose of a body and leave no trace in so little time. If you put it in a car and drive off, you still have to put it somewhere, and your car will have lots of DNA evidence in it for the police. They checked the ponds. Anybody know where the grandmother's 60 acres is in relation to Bobo's? All I heard was "across the county."

Look at all the unsolved missing persons cases where family/spouse is suspected but LE doesn't have enough evidence and/or a body.

 

[Darcyline]

It is actually easier to hide a body than you would think. If you imagine what 100 acres or more of land looks like it is immense. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of searchers and dogs could search it and miss a body. It could be right outside their range for searching or she could have been thrown down a well of some sort or buried or weighed down in water somewhere. It feels like the bodies found are usually either by luck or some hardcore tip or fact leading you straight to the body. They have also ended up finding bodies in places that were already "cleared" by LE and they were just missed.

Sorry to sound negative, but I do think it is possible Holly is in the woods somewhere in the immediate area and just hasn't been found yet I am also operating under the assumption that whoever did it had more than 10 minutes to hide the body though.

 

[shefner]

~The timeline does not...cannot....gel, as it is given.

~No perp would take 20 minutes for a kidnapping.

~Only one source heard the scream/s....source called mom but didn't check it out?

~The source's mom was concerned enough to call Karen?

~This was pretty early in the spring..the leaves on the trees were just coming in. Visibility through the woods would have been fairly good in the first half of April and Holly's hair was blond and bright. Had Clint set out as soon as he saw Holly enter the woods...and while mom was fainting on the phone....he would have easily caught up with her, especially considering the perp was moving so slowly.

~If Clint truly thought the man with Holly was Drew, then he would not have hesitated to call out to him.

~How did so many people arrive within minutes of Holly's disappearance?

~How long did it take mom to get to the scene from the school?

Also, I have read that Drew worked at the grocery store and arrived to work by 8am. I am questioning that. I have read on another site (that I won't link...so consider this somewhat of a "rumor") that people have confused Drew with another male friend. Drew works for the city of Parsons, or so it is said.

 

[~n/t~]

~The timeline does not...cannot....gel, as it is given.

~No perp would take 20 minutes for a kidnapping.

~Only one source heard the scream/s....source called mom but didn't check it out?

~The source's mom was concerned enough to call Karen?

~This was pretty early in the spring..the leaves on the trees were just coming in. Visibility through the woods would have been fairly good in the first half of April and Holly's hair was blond and bright. Had Clint set out as soon as he saw Holly enter the woods...and while mom was fainting on the phone....he would have easily caught up with her, especially considering the perp was moving so slowly.

~If Clint truly thought the man with Holly was Drew, then he would not have hesitated to call out to him.

~How did so many people arrive within minutes of Holly's disappearance?

~How long did it take mom to get to the scene from the school?

Also, I have read that Drew worked at the grocery store and arrived to work by 8am. I am questioning that. I have read on another site (that I won't link...so consider this somewhat of a "rumor") that people have confused Drew with another male friend. Drew works for the city of Parsons, or so it is said.

It took mom give or take 8 minutes to get from the school to the house according to Clint's timeline.

I thought Drew worked in meat packing with his dad? Am I confused with another case?:waitasec:

Yah I guess word spread around real quickly that morning. By 8:30 the entire town of Parsons was aware or so it seems.:innocent:

 

[cluciano63]

It took mom give or take 8 minutes to get from the school to the house according to Clint's timeline.

I thought Drew worked in meat packing with his dad? Am I confused with another case?:waitasec:

Yah I guess word spread around real quickly that morning. By 8:30 the entire town of Parsons was aware or so it seems.:innocent:

And yet the mapping sites give it at 25 minutes or longer between Bobo home and mom's school. Did they have a police escort?

 

[~n/t~]

It is actually easier to hide a body than you would think. If you imagine what 100 acres or more of land looks like it is immense. Literally hundreds upon hundreds of searchers and dogs could search it and miss a body. It could be right outside their range for searching or she could have been thrown down a well of some sort or buried or weighed down in water somewhere. It feels like the bodies found are usually either by luck or some hardcore tip or fact leading you straight to the body. They have also ended up finding bodies in places that were already "cleared" by LE and they were just missed.

Sorry to sound negative, but I do think it is possible Holly is in the woods somewhere in the immediate area and just hasn't been found yet I am also operating under the assumption that whoever did it had more than 10 minutes to hide the body though.

Was Clint stalling? Is that why he came up with the silly preserving crime scene excuse by telling his mom and others not to go into the woods? hmmmm

I still think she was put in a vehicle right there by the carport.

 

[birpu]

I kind of think if it was an accident it was probably a hunting accident of some sort. But what if she was actually out in the garage/carport when Karen left for school right around seven, after she hangs up with Reece. Or maybe behind the carport for some reason. You're backing out in the dim morning light, your daughter is upstairs, or so you believe, but actually she's just walked behind your car. Not sure why you would hide this, but it could happen.

 

[birpu]

Was Clint stalling? Is that why he came up with the silly preserving crime scene excuse by telling his mom and others not to go into the woods? hmmmm

I still think she was put in a vehicle right there by the carport.

I do too.
And I also wondered about the stalling. But that leads me to Drew, because Clint couldn't have gotten Holly out of there himself if she was just up the trail when the cops arrived. If Drew was hunting there, maybe with Clint, and somehow somebody (Clint) shoots Holly by mistake (or maybe he stopped by to show both Holly and Clint his turkey...) - Could Drew have carried her to his car on the logging trail in the woods? Is that why the insistence that she was walking? Could Drew have called Holly's phone after that around 7:30 and then Holly's mom to establish an alibi that he was way across town hunting at Grandma's and not on the Bobo property? Could he have put her somewhere and then realized he had her stuff in his car (maybe she put it in there because he offered her a ride to school as he showed up) and then tossed it out in an arbitrary location? Could he have made it to work by 8am? Where is his work, anyway?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

For those who question Clint's actions that day.....and we are many.

Did you ever think Clint was just plain scared at what he was witnessing and was really terrified to get involved. No one wants to be thought of as cowardly, but it is a very human reaction. So as not to be criticized. Clint says "eh, I thought it was just Drew with my sister". Even after his mother tells him it's not Drew, and get a gun--he still does nothing with the gun because he is in fear of his own life?

The "fearing for his life" does make some sense to me, and could explain his very confusing account. For me it works.:waitasec: