TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #30

[Eileen730]

Respectfully snipped to save space.

BBM

And to add to all of this we were told in the latest article that it had rained nearly an inch the day before. And the pictures we have seen of the back yard showed it was pretty much all dirt, which would have been mud after an inch of rain the previous day. So yeah, footprints and/or tire tracks had to be left behind. I'm pretty sure we haven't bold told nearly everything, and unfortunately may never be, unless somehow LE has a change of heart, which I seriously doubt, or they manage to solve the case, which I seriously hope (although the way things have gone to date I'm not holding my breath). I still hold out hope that Holly is alive somewhere, no matter what statistics and others say. It is possible.

Anything is possible!

Im not buying the stories that have been told.

None of the pieces fit!

 

[Oriah]

Between Holly's case, Lauren's case, Hailey Dunn's case, Kyron's case, etc. etc. I guess LE really does not have any responsibility to update their communities on anything. I wonder what it would take for the people in these and other communities to get to a point to demand a face-to-face with LE once in a while, to discuss the "problem" of people simply disappearing.

My belief is that no LEA has any real idea how to deal with missing persons cases and don't want that known. They talk about huge numbers of tips and show stacks of files every once in a while, but I can't remember the last time LE actually found a missing person...JMO

BBM:
Wow.

We are certainly all entitled to our own opinions. But I gotta say... this statement kind of boggles my mind.

I can remember the last time LE found a missing person.
It was last night.

It just didn't make the news, or make it to Websleuths.

 

[OldSteve]

I see mention of the all the phone calls that took place at the time of Holly's abduction. What is most strange is that there were no calls made to her!? At least none that we are aware of. Wouldn't her mom, her brother, her BF, etc... call her?

To be sure I'm not accusing anyone... it just a big curiosity.... like so many things that happened that fateful morning.

 

[Eileen730]

I see mention of the all the phone calls that took place at the time of Holly's abduction. What is most strange is that there were no calls made to her!? At least none that we are aware of. Wouldn't her mom, her brother, her BF, etc... call her?

To be sure I'm not accusing anyone... it just a big curiosity.... like so many things that happened that fateful morning.

Well for whatever reason Mom left her Cell phone at the school I would have run back and gotten it incase my daughter was trying to reach ME and that way i could constantly try to call her..

Brother was busy watching the ppl with a turkey in the garage.

The BF was hunting with his dad and was at work by 8

Maybe DS tried to call her


I found it strange CB said he didnt think she would be found anytime soon.

 

[Oriah]

I see mention of the all the phone calls that took place at the time of Holly's abduction. What is most strange is that there were no calls made to her!? At least none that we are aware of. Wouldn't her mom, her brother, her BF, etc... call her?

To be sure I'm not accusing anyone... it just a big curiosity.... like so many things that happened that fateful morning.

How does everyone know there were no phone calls made to Holly's phone that morning??? I am truly perplexed by this. Does someone have the call records somewhere?
Because I believe there were a lot of attempts made to call Holly's phone.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Apparently so. And it just seems wrong that LE can hold a community hostage by saying they don't have to tell them anything, when in fact they may know nothing at all. At least in Katelyn Markham's case, LE came out recently and admitted they are no closer to knowing what happened to Katelyn. You don't hear that from LE very often.

I think LE in many cases walk a thin line when determining what info can and cannot be released in a murder case. Understandably if the Public knows everything, then so does the perp.

However in a missing persons case, when "time" is of major importance, I cannot understand why they allow information to "trickle" out over months.
Wouldn't you think they have ONE chance to get it right---in this case ONE cohesive witness account, One timeline, One forensic disclosure, One victimology, etc. How the family of a missing person can accept anything different is beyond me. It has been 6 months. Look at this case, there has Never been ONE of anything. Even after 6 months, another version of the witness accounts have been added . How can the family, local LE, or TBI allow this to keep happening. If there was any hope of finding Holly alive it would have been 6 months ago. Now it is likely an "urban legend". Sadly Holly never had a chance.:furious:

Law Enforcement agencies are paid by "us" (their community), they are accountable to "us" their community. If we have questions, especially the victims families, why is it so difficult to get a straight answer? :banghead:

 

[OldSteve]

How does everyone know there were no phone calls made to Holly's phone that morning??? I am truly perplexed by this. Does someone have the call records somewhere?
Because I believe there were a lot of attempts made to call Holly's phone.

Yet in the interviews we've seen, no calls/texts to her were ever mentioned IIRC...
Strange. Someone had to have tried to reach her...

 

[Oriah]

Yet in the interviews we've seen, no calls/texts to her were ever mentioned IIRC...
Strange. Someone had to have tried to reach her...

I seem to have a tugging in the back of my mind somewhere that Clint stated he tried to call her cell 5 times....

 

[Oriah]

I think LE in many cases walk a thin line when determining what info can and cannot be released in a murder case. Understandably if the Public knows everything, then so does the perp.

However in a missing persons case, when "time" is of major importance, I cannot understand why they allow information to "trickle" out over months.
Wouldn't you think they have ONE chance to get it right---in this case ONE cohesive witness account, One timeline, One forensic disclosure, One victimology, etc. How the family of a missing person can accept anything different is beyond me. It has been 6 months. Look at this case, there has Never been ONE of anything. Even after 6 months, another version of the witness accounts have been added . How can the family, local LE, or TBI allow this to keep happening. If there was any hope of finding Holly alive it would have been 6 months ago. Now it is likely an "urban legend". Sadly Holly never had a chance.:furious:

Law Enforcement agencies are paid by "us" (their community), they are accountable to "us" their community. If we have questions, especially the victims families, why is it so difficult to get a straight answer? :banghead:

BBM:
I'm not sure I'm understanding this statement. Why has Holly's kidnapping likely become an 'urban legend'?

 

[Frogzilla]

I seem to have a tugging in the back of my mind somewhere that Clint stated he tried to call her cell 5 times....

As I recall, CB said he watched HB and abductor walk away, then tried to call HB phone and DS phone, both rang 5 times and went to voicemail and CB concluded that they must of been together because neither answered.

 

[OldSteve]

I seem to have a tugging in the back of my mind somewhere that Clint stated he tried to call her cell 5 times....

You are right, now that you mention that I remember hearing that.... came out not to long ago? (Guess my short-term memory is going!) But wait, did he say 5 times, or that he called and it rang five times. Then we speculated that if it rang that many times her phone would have been on, since if it were off it would have gone right into voice mail?
So it sounds like he, and he alone, called once based on all the interviews.

 

[OldSteve]

As I recall, CB said he watched HB and abductor walk away, then tried to call HB phone and DS phone, both rang 5 times and went to voicemail and CB concluded that they must of been together because neither answered.

Thanks for confirming....

 

[Plumeria5]

You are right, now that you mention that I remember hearing that.... came out not to long ago? (Guess my short-term memory is going!) But wait, did he say 5 times, or that he called and it rang five times. Then we speculated that if it rang that many times her phone would have been on, since if it were off it would have gone right into voice mail?
So it sounds like he, and he alone, called once based on all the interviews.

Need help from those more technically advanced than me...So if Clint called Holly's phone...it rang 5 times...and then apparently it went to voice mail...what would the abductor have done regarding the phone? Thrown it down, taken the time to remove the battery? How do pings work? If it just rings and goes to voice mail will there be a record of where it pinged? I guess they didn't find a battery or phone in the woods so he would have removed the battery from the phone and carried them with him? In haste I could see him tossing them into the woods but if they weren't found I guess he didn't.

 

[Frogzilla]

I agree that the only information given about calling HB that morning was from CB account. What still strikes me as odd, among just about everything else in this story, is that CB had little reason to try and call HB. Per his account, he had just seen her walking in the yard when he calls. He assumes she is with her boyfriend. He knows his mother is concerned that HB has not left for school. Why not just walk outside and see what is going on? If you were trying to get a hold of a family member and you had just seen them outside your house, would you call their phone to ask them something or to check up on them? In the time spent trying to call, you could be outside talking to them. It is also not a hard task to call and walk at the same time.
To recap, using various interviews where the family has directly stated or was quoted on info. CB is awoken because the dog is barking. Between the time the scream is reported to take place and CB waking up is 10 minutes. He looks around the house and out windows to see what is possibly going on, he sees HB car and mentions he did not see HB in the house or in her room. He observes people in the garage, does not go see who it is and instead calls his mother at work to ask who might be in the garage, the mother gets the message relayed to her and then calls CB back to say HB should be at school. Per the recent article, KB says that she hung up on CB the first call because she wanted to call 911 because she felt something was wrong and she is also having a nervous break down at work at this time. CB observes them walking away, he then decides to call HB phone and then DS phone, he gets no answer and assumes they must be together in the yard. At this time, KB is frustrated and calls CB. CB tells KB that he sees HB and DS walking at the edge of the yard. KB says that it cannot be DS at the house with HB and to grab a gun and go after them. CB, gun in hand, goes to the garage and sees blood, he then still believes it is DS and that he brought a turkey, but CB had just seen them casually walk away without a turkey. At some point the neighbor pulls up and CB is in the driveway with a gun in one hand and a phone in the other. CB states that he doesn't say a word to the neighbor and begins to call 911, as he hears the engines of LE coming toward his house. I can only imagine what the neighbor's first thought was and also LE first thought. Did CB finally call 911 as he hears LE coming toward his home? Really? Didn't his mother already call 911 several times and tell CB to call, even though CB waits X amount of time before calling? I am not trying to bash here, just showing inconsistency in the various statements. Many parts of the story as we know it do not make sense. You have to either reallllllly stretch everything to make it line up or overlook contradictions to see what you would like to see.
In the recent article, there are sequences previously told that are omitted in this version of the story, as well as new parts added in. The new part about some people knowing that DS would NOT be hunting around the Bobo home that morning is interesting. Was this plan made in advance? How many people knew this? It would be convenient to KNOW that the usual hunters around the residence would not be there at a certain time. What abductor wants to risk being seen as suspicious to the area before he even has a chance to commit the crime? Remember that DS and his father were spotted hunting on someone else's property, and the landowner knew about it and had given permission, but they were still apparently confronted. There is always the chance that somebody just took a chance, but in this situation it doesn't seem likely IMO. Being able to escape the area with LE and many residents descending toward the Bobo home shows there was planning to avoid being seen around the home and not be seen leaving. We all know CB was a witness to this, and have been told he was not suppose to be home.
To recap this part, the abductor knew HB exited her home at a certain time, he was waiting for her. They spent somewhere between 10-15 minutes together around the home before walking away toward the woods. The camo man wore a turkey hunting type of outfit during turkey hunting season. CB infers that DS would hunt turkeys around the Bobo home and it was not uncommon for CB to not know about it. DS was not hunting around the Bobo home that morning and at least a few people knew about it. We have been told that there was a problem with some family members not knowing DS and his father, and confronted them about hunting where they were. Was this the first time DS and father hunted on the Grandma's property? DS talks with KB on the phone to clear up the problem and then DS calls HB. About 5-10 minutes later HB is abducted at her home as she is leaving for school.
If we take this all at face value, we do know certain bits of information that would make this abduction easier, but we have no way of knowing who knew what.
HB schedule and time she leaves for school
Parents leave for work before HB leaves
CB not usually being home at that time of morning
Usual hunters to the area were hunting somewhere else that morning
Heavily forested area around home that would not be easy to navigate if you were unfamiliar to the area(entry and escape plan)

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

BBM:
I'm not sure I'm understanding this statement. Why has Holly's kidnapping likely become an 'urban legend'?

Only in it's Obscurity. Any evidence suggesting a kidnapping has been questioned or revised. All we really know is HOLLY IS MISSING--MOO--I am not convinced it could only be a kidnapping? --but that's just me.

 

[cluciano63]

It is Holly's mom's own words about TBI refusing to discuss the case with her that make me think that they are almost holding the family hostage with a lack of information. If they were taking the time to talk with the family, explaining that they were working on certain leads, checking various facts, looking into phone records, etc...as I hope they are doing, she might not be so inclined to sound as though all they are telling her is that "the law says we don't have to tell you anything." She has said that more than once, so she must be hearing it from LE directly, IMO.

If the case has stalled, why not involve the community? Why not call a town meeting and try to glean out some missing info? In a small town, there probably isn't much in the way of gossip that hasn't made the rounds anyway, why not be open with the people that you work with, live alongside, shop with, etc? LE is supposed to work for the people, and I know that includes Holly, but I am not seeing how they are helping her in any way with a wall of silence. And it is just my opinion.

 

[Frogzilla]

Need help from those more technically advanced than me...So if Clint called Holly's phone...it rang 5 times...and then apparently it went to voice mail...what would the abductor have done regarding the phone? Thrown it down, taken the time to remove the battery? How do pings work? If it just rings and goes to voice mail will there be a record of where it pinged? I guess they didn't find a battery or phone in the woods so he would have removed the battery from the phone and carried them with him? In haste I could see him tossing them into the woods but if they weren't found I guess he didn't.

Well I do not know a lot about cell phones and pings, but I do know that you can disable tracking on a phone. Some phones have it in the options menu, or u could open it up and remove the antenna. Also, in such a rural heavily forested area, I am not too sure how accurate tracking may be.
In regards to what the abductor may have done with the phone, who knows, but I will say this. When CB tried to call HB phone and it rang 5 times before going to voicemail, he has already seen them walking in the yard. CB had already talked to his mother two times. Is it possible that part of KB panic comes from trying to call HB but kept getting 5 rings and her voicemail? If that is the case, then the abductor didn't bother with the phone right away, it just kept ringing. Also, I have a hard time believing that KB would call 911 before trying to call her daughter.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I agree that the only information given about calling HB that morning was from CB account. What still strikes me as odd, among just about everything else in this story, is that CB had little reason to try and call HB.

At some point the neighbor pulls up and CB is in the driveway with a gun in one hand and a phone in the other. CB states that he doesn't say a word to the neighbor and begins to call 911, as he hears the engines of LE coming toward his house. I can only imagine what the neighbor's first thought was and also LE first thought.

Well when you put it that way, FrogZ:

Probably: Case closed --the brother shot her? Sounds like he had lots of explaining to do, ya think?:waitasec:

 

[Frogzilla]

Well when you put it that way, FrogZ:

Probably: Case closed --the brother shot her? Sounds like he had lots of explaining to do, ya think?:waitasec:

LOL! The wonders of editing posts. I bet you could make quite the narrative if you assembled all my posts and rearranged them. For the record, I am NOT accusing CB of anything criminal!
But really, just imagine with what we have been told, what the first responders were thinking that morning as the information was given to them. Also, think about why people did not immediately go into the woods and why CB suddenly became a CSI in training, trying to preserve evidence. Also remember it took three months to hear the first version of CB story from himself and also KB has mentioned frustration with LE focusing on CB early on, focusing on the family first and then moving outward.

 

[Frogzilla]

It is Holly's mom's own words about TBI refusing to discuss the case with her that make me think that they are almost holding the family hostage with a lack of information. If they were taking the time to talk with the family, explaining that they were working on certain leads, checking various facts, looking into phone records, etc...as I hope they are doing, she might not be so inclined to sound as though all they are telling her is that "the law says we don't have to tell you anything." She has said that more than once, so she must be hearing it from LE directly, IMO.

If the case has stalled, why not involve the community? Why not call a town meeting and try to glean out some missing info? In a small town, there probably isn't much in the way of gossip that hasn't made the rounds anyway, why not be open with the people that you work with, live alongside, shop with, etc? LE is supposed to work for the people, and I know that includes Holly, but I am not seeing how they are helping her in any way with a wall of silence. And it is just my opinion.

Think about all of the rumors that have been circulating since the beginning, where do you think many of them come from? The TBI has said since the beginning that they believe the abductor is a local. Someone who may know the Bobo family, maybe even somebody they trust. If LE is looking at people close to the family, discussing anything with them could compromise the case. I hate to say that, but it is true. Also, is it possible that instead of the community hammering away at LE for resolution to this case, that they take a long hard look among themselves? LE is re-active, not pro-active. They (usually) cannot create a witness or plant evidence to suit their needs. If somebody is willing to go to bat and cover for somebody else's alibi, all LE can do is chip away at it and work around it. We all know this case in the public's eye is built around a sketchy story, but IMO that has been a concentrated effort since day one. Only the abductor can fill in those details that we pick apart on a daily basis and LE wants to keep it that way.