TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[Plumeria5]

I'm more convinced now than ever that she ran off.

Glad you brought this up as I don't think it has been discussed very much. This is the best case scenario for Holly's sake. She could have met someone online or "somewhere" and threatened to run away. Maybe mom knew about this and didn't approve of the guy so when she heard Holly was walking into the woods with a guy she freaked out. Guess she could have staged the scream but I wouldn't think Holly would want to wake up Clint. She could have just disappeared with him quietly. What about the blood though?

P.S. Clint was in on it?? (just a wild theory on my part) That is why he wasn't that worried and said she wouldn't be coming home anytime soon??

 

[cluciano63]

My guess is that article was nothing more than an end-of-the-year status report, made up from bad facts from other articles gathered throughout the year and that they are just reposting a jumble of information, which is really all we have in this case.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

When someone runs away, they do it because they want nothing to do with their current life and decide to move on as we have seen in Aisha's case and others.

There is no reason, if she ran off, to be contacting her family. LE found Aisha Khan. She did not contact them nor her family.

Thats true but Aisha Khan was missing for only 5 days before she was found by LE. Aisha had also claimed to have been abducted or being threatened to set up some sort of alibi. She also had good reason to vanish being in a strict muslim family and facing an arranged marriage, etc. Her case and Holly's are so totally different from what we know that its not a valid comparison at all.

I did consider her to be a runaway but again show me a motive, evidence, reason, etc. Its easy to say well she is gone so she had to run away but again that doesnt jibe with screams, blood, 911 calls, scattered personal items, etc.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Last but certainly not least from this article is this quote from KB- "We can't go back in time. If we can go back obviously everything would've been different."
I am not sure what exactly she means by this.
http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...-Cold-Case/Tfg3_JkGgkGZ9hsdgTKhwQ.cspx?rss=59

I think people read too much into that line... I take it as either meaning Clint would know Holly was in danger and would do more or that maybe LE arriving on the scene would act faster rather than sit around and wait for more LE to arrive which is what the family has alleged to have happened that morning.

 

[wishuwerehere]

What really is baffling to me is that EVERYTHING that EVERYONE has done here is not necessarily what "normal" people do in situations all the time. And its not just like one person did something out of the norm, but EVERYONE. Thats what makes this case so frustrating.

I am not blaming anyone for anything really, but its so odd that so many people did what, in most cases, are probably the exact opposite of what you or I (well at least I) would do. And its not like I am making this up... its what happened...

Clint hears strange voices outside, doesn't go to look

Clint sees unidentifable silhouettes in the garage, doesn't go in to look

Clint calls his mom to see who is in the garage

Mom instantly freaks out and begins calling 911 and speeding home. She does tell Clint to get a gun...

Clint sees his sister and the stranger walking away but seemingly is not hurried even after talking to his mom, having a gun, and finding blood

Clint goes outside but does not pursue his sister, nor does he call 911 he stops to talk to a neighbor who heard screams. Clint says he thinks his sister is not coming home soon...

Law enforcement arrives and according to some accounts cordons off the woods but does not enter

Law enforcement waits for other members of law enforcement to arrive

Some sort of search dogs may/may not have been used quickly or effectively.

Road blocks were not set up quickly or even for a day or two, and only in one direction

Family makes no immediate public statement

Law enforcement makes a few rather vague and contradictory statements that later are contradicted by Clint on a TV interview

Media make contradictory and confusing reports

Family still makes no live pleas on TV. After some time releases a hand written note of appreciation via their pastor.

After about Easter LE makes no further statements. No real useful info had been released after just the first couple of days or week into the investigation.

Several months into the case, the family appears, finally, on the Jane Velez Mitchell show, and the story told first hand contradicts the second and third hand LE and media accounts in some ways. It also confuses things.

The family makes one or two more interviews for local TV and newspaper but really ads nothing new to what has been stated.

Holly's Cousin makes the odd statement that she doesnt want to know what happened. And it was either she or Holly's mom that had said people wouldn't question the family if they really knew what happened.

LE has yet to provide any more info about anything.

Family spokesperson says he hopes for a resolution by the end of the year. (not that anyone has any idea what is happening)

I know you posted this a few days ago. But the BBM part has got to be one of the strangest statements made in this case.

In the most recent article we have Karen Bobo pleading for tips to find Holly.

Yet WD makes an almost opposite statement from Karen Bobo. This may just be an immature statement and nothing more, and mean nothing in the big scheme of things, but I’m finding it hard to forget.

jmo

 

[~n/t~]

Glad you brought this up as I don't think it has been discussed very much. This is the best case scenario for Holly's sake. She could have met someone online or "somewhere" and threatened to run away. Maybe mom knew about this and didn't approve of the guy so when she heard Holly was walking into the woods with a guy she freaked out. Guess she could have staged the scream but I wouldn't think Holly would want to wake up Clint. She could have just disappeared with him quietly. What about the blood though?

P.S. Clint was in on it?? (just a wild theory on my part) That is why he wasn't that worried and said she wouldn't be coming home anytime soon??

We don't know the amount of blood. It wasn't enough for Clint to panic. We've heard the blood described as a stain, drop, pool or puddle. She may have injured herself or there may have been a struggle but not enough to have killed her.

If I go with the running off theory it really answers a lot of my questions and certain aspects of the case start to make sense.

 

[~n/t~]

Thats true but Aisha Khan was missing for only 5 days before she was found by LE. Aisha had also claimed to have been abducted or being threatened to set up some sort of alibi. She also had good reason to vanish being in a strict muslim family and facing an arranged marriage, etc. Her case and Holly's are so totally different from what we know that its not a valid comparison at all.

I did consider her to be a runaway but again show me a motive, evidence, reason, etc. Its easy to say well she is gone so she had to run away but again that doesnt jibe with screams, blood, 911 calls, scattered personal items, etc.

According to Karen, we do not know all the facts. Did you read my earlier post? I think devout religious Christians can have just as strict families. Perhaps it was too much for Holly. Clint is 26 and he's still living at home. Maybe Holly didn't want that kind of life. Aisha disappeared right before exams. The runaway bride right before her wedding. Most cases, they do it because they feel pressure at home and want an entire different lifestyle.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

According to Karen, we do not know all the facts. Did you read my earlier post? I think devout religious Christians can have just as strict families. Perhaps it was too much for Holly. Clint is 26 and he's still living at home. Maybe Holly didn't want that kind of life. Aisha disappeared right before exams. The runaway bride right before her wedding. Most cases, they do it because they feel pressure at home and want an entire different lifestyle.

I read it but still do not believe it but thats my opinion.

In a way your statement here contradicts itself if she were so devout etc then she wouldnt have gotten herself into this situation that she felt she had to run away from in the first place.

And again, Aisha had a known reason to run away and she was found. The runaway bride was never really "missing" as she was in contact with LE, turned herself in, had a story all made up.

If Holly felt all this pressure what was it? There is no known indication of any pressure.

As to Karen's statements about knowing all the facts... if Karen knew Holly ran away why would she quit her job to spend the next 8 months searching Darden and the neighboring counties for her? Why not issue some sort of "come home" satement?

Sorry just don't buy it.

And I seriously doubt the FBI would list a runaway as a kidnap victim for 8 months.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Ok the prior news article seems to be exerpted from this TV interview with Holly's mom

Same wordage as the article. Nothing "new"

Interesting close up views of what looks like the back of the house with ribbon on the door around 1:15. Is this where things went down???

http://www.abc24.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3129042

 

[Pugnolia]

After following Aisha Khan's case, I wonder if Holly ran off. They both had big tests that day. Something happened with the bf the night before to cause all the flurry of phone calls the following morning and I don't believe it had anything to do with hunting on grandma's property.

I don't know much about the south but considering how religious the community is, I'm guessing there was a lot of pressure to live a certain way.

School, perhaps she wanted more freedom......at 20 years old, I can definitely see that happening.

Yes, Holly's case is classified as a kidnapping/abduction but so was Aisha's until she was found.

I've been wondering about this since the first month or so.

But if she ran away, why torture your family with the belief that you were abducted, blood and all? If she ran away, it still doesn't explain the scream, blood, scattered lunch bag, parents searching, etc., though.

But Clint's reactions or non-reactions fall into place with this scenario, at least to my senses. So I go back and forth, back and forth, and am royally stumped. :waitasec:

 

[Plumeria5]

I've been wondering about this since the first month or so.

But if she ran away, why torture your family with the belief that you were abducted, blood and all? If she ran away, it still doesn't explain the scream, blood, scattered lunch bag, parents searching, etc., though.

But Clint's reactions or non-reactions fall into place with this scenario, at least to my senses. So I go back and forth, back and forth, and am royally stumped. :waitasec:

"Love the animals. God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harrass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent."
~ Fyodor Dostoyevsky~ Pugnolia's sig

I love this quote. Thank you for sharing it.

 

[Pugnolia]

"Love the animals. God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harrass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent."
~ Fyodor Dostoyevsky~ Pugnolia's sig

I love this quote. Thank you for sharing it.

Thank you, Plumeria ... All innocent things need to be loved, protected, respected, and valued. It's what I, and WS'ers here, hold in our hearts.

 

[~n/t~]

Before anyone says Gather is not considered MSM, I know but there are 2 reasons why I'm posting this.

1) It shows a picture of Holly with 2 of her friends I hadn't seen before.

2) Chelsea Hoffman states it's not too late for TBI to go back to the property and retrace the steps, bring in scent dogs and a new set of eyes.


While I agree that a new set of eyes would definitely help, I'm not so sure scent dogs would pick up anything after 8 months. What do you all think?

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980948494

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't either...I would think LE would have said "armed and dangerous" for example, but maybe since it seems everyone is armed down there, he wouldn't stand out for that alone. Still, usually LE mentions if a suspect is known to carry a weapon, IMO.

Major OT


AWWWWW!!!! Love those kitty pictures you come up with, Clu--keep em coming! They are a refreshing break from the discussion. LOL

 

[Plumeria5]

Before anyone says Gather is not considered MSM, I know but there are 2 reasons why I'm posting this.

1) It shows a picture of Holly with 2 of her friends I hadn't seen before.

2) Chelsea Hoffman states it's not too late for TBI to go back to the property and retrace the steps, bring in scent dogs and a new set of eyes.


While I agree that a new set of eyes would definitely help, I'm not so sure scent dogs would pick up anything after 8 months. What do you all think?

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980948494

n/t, I think those are the same girls that Holly was singing in the car with on You Tube. The one on the left was in the back seat but her hair was darker then. The girl in the middle was in the driver's seat.

:santahat: :christmastree: rnament: :xmastree:

Happy Holidays and Mele Kalikimaka everyone!!!

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Before anyone says Gather is not considered MSM, I know but there are 2 reasons why I'm posting this.

1) It shows a picture of Holly with 2 of her friends I hadn't seen before.

2) Chelsea Hoffman states it's not too late for TBI to go back to the property and retrace the steps, bring in scent dogs and a new set of eyes.


While I agree that a new set of eyes would definitely help, I'm not so sure scent dogs would pick up anything after 8 months. What do you all think?

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980948494

If they mean tracking dogs... I don't think so. cadaver dogs could be useful if there are remains burried somewhere around the property. given the amount of local searching though in the initial weeks and months, I doubt she is real close to her house, but she could be, I suppose.

 

[shefner]

Holly....wherever you are....you are not forgotten. We are looking for you.

Merry Christmas girl....

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Another cousin speaks out... not that she says anything.

http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...-Christmas/MI3Y0aHfjk2hpBCTOkmQqg.cspx?rss=59

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

I am pleased to see all of this Websleuth activity on the Holly Bobo case. For those who are new here, or otherwise overlooked it, please examine my timeline that was posted on thread #30, page 3, entry # 55. I see several questions over the past many pages that are addressed in my timeline. Keep up the good work, fellow sleuthers!

 

[CocoChanel]

My opinions only, no facts here:

I am pleased to see all of this Websleuth activity on the Holly Bobo case. For those who are new here, or otherwise overlooked it, please examine my timeline that was posted on thread #30, page 3, entry # 55. I see several questions over the past many pages that are addressed in my timeline. Keep up the good work, fellow sleuthers!

Thanks Mr. Noatak. I reviewed your timeline. I'm left with these thoughts, which I admit are merely rehashing and remixing of all the excellent thoughts that have been posted here:

• The confusing sequence at 7:50 am to me sounds like a relatively normal situation that evolved into a crisis. I think it may well have initially been an ordinary encounter with someone Holly knew until it spiraled out of control. Out of WHO's control? Not sure. CB perhaps?
• Although I want to take all family members at their word, I have to question KB's certainty that it was not Drew that CB saw. Unless I learn WHY that is a concrete certainty, I have to consider that she may have been mistaken in her belief that it could not have been Drew because he was elsewhere at that time.
• These thoughts bolster my theory that CB's reactions and responses that morning are explained by some very recent development in relationships, either within the family or with the family and someone close to them.

IMHO