TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[TxLady2]

So do you think it is odd that Clint did not respond with the use of the gun?

BBM: that was kinda my point, it is the YAHOO's who would shoot off a gun with very little knowledge of guns or the situation at hand.

Anyone with a gun license knows the responsibility that comes with it.

Agree they may not be unsure or insecure in it operation, but assessing the situation is the first thing they would be required to do. That judgement is the most important part of their licensing.

I don't think we know if Camo Guy had a gun--but maybe Clint knew. Possible?

Don't know the laws in TN, but here you are not required to have a license for a rifle or shotgun, only a handgun. Anybody who hunts even occasionally is going to know how to use a gun. We have a .22 and a 12 gauge and my son knows how to use both, though he has never hunted in his life.

 

[OldSteve]

OldSteve, thanks for the added similarities. I meant to add her brother and boyfriend as a focus early on and totally spaced.

I'm curious as to what you think about the profile of Holly's abductor, given the similarities to Molly's.
Something has always tugged at me, which is that Molly's first aid kid was found open as if in use, and I have always believed she was approached by her abductor in a kind of 'classic' Ted Bundy sort of way- as in, "I need help" or "someone needs help over here".

Holly's abduction seems to mimic that to me- not only because of her nursing career, but because of the blood found in the carport, and the heading into the woods.

Could she have been lured in an 'urgent' fashion to assist someone 'injured or ill?' Perhaps even someone she knew? Could she have answered a knock on the door while her brother was sleeping and then the progression of events began- accounting for the voices CB first heard, then seeing through/past the carport, and then into the woods? KB's panic- the series of 911 calls? Then realization that that was not the case at all?

Thinking out loud of course. But it's always been a scenario for me. Curious about your thoughts.
TIA- and have a safe and happy New Year, ya'll.
Hopefully 2012 will bring Holly home to her loved ones.

Thanks Oriah for thinking my thoughts are worth asking for. First, Happy New Year wishes to you and everyone!

I'm a very detail oriented and while we discuss, and discuss ad infinitum the limited amount of information we have about events told us that happened on the morning of 4/13, we really only have snippets and disjointed pieces of info.

The interviews I've seen are all too short, too superficial.

We don't know the extent to which LE has interviewed the family. My hope is that they were able to get really smart, experienced people who could question and extract details of the interaction that took place between Holly and perp - interpreting body language, gestures, time spent, etc. in ways those of us who are inexperience cannot.

 

[Oriah]

I meant to mention this yesterday... and to me it just points out how much you can't rely too much on what reporters say...

We have a missing woman here Kelly Rothwell, and they did a new big search for her (body) using dogs. Now, the area they were searching is totally overgrown, marshy, swampy, etc. They had big dogs that looked like retrievers. Anyway, the dog handler said on TV that in overgrown areas like this where people COULD NOT easily travel, the dogs could go in and out to search. Now remember with Holly it was said the woods were so dense the searchers had to carry the dogs ??? Sounds like journalistic hyperbole to me.

There are areas that search dogs need to be transported to- and assisted through- because the terrain is too dense or too dangerous for them to work in without support. There are also areas that SAR dogs can traverse safely and with much more efficiency than human SAR workers.

I can see both coming into play in many different geographical locations, and under many different physical conditions.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I meant to mention this yesterday... and to me it just points out how much you can't rely too much on what reporters say...

We have a missing woman here Kelly Rothwell, and they did a new big search for her (body) using dogs. Now, the area they were searching is totally overgrown, marshy, swampy, etc. They had big dogs that looked like retrievers. Anyway, the dog handler said on TV that in overgrown areas like this where people COULD NOT easily travel, the dogs could go in and out to search. Now remember with Holly it was said the woods were so dense the searchers had to carry the dogs ??? Sounds like journalistic hyperbole to me.

Not really - we have dense blackberry thickets and sawbriars that can cut up a dog, and no one really wants their prize search dog to be in pain while they are searching. So it doesn't surprise me that they carried the dogs sometimes.

 

[Oriah]

OldSteve, your thoughts (and everyone elses!) ALWAYS worth hearing!

My personal opinion- LE has been much more thorough than the general public knows. Doesn't mean they have all the answers- just that maybe they have asked all of the right questions, and still not found Holly. So frustration all around.

In hope that 2012 is the year Holly is found.

 

[Oriah]

Not really - we have dense blackberry thickets and sawbriars that can cut up a dog, and no one really wants their prize search dog to be in pain while they are searching. So it doesn't surprise me that they carried the dogs sometimes.

Yes.
It's little different than human SAR workers. You don't compromise their health and safety unless it is an absolute emergency in a search. There's no need- and it also affects the ability of the K9 to search.

 

[mountainguy777]

Maybe its stating the obvious, but if an area is too harsh for dogs to search, how did somebody transport a body and hide it in such an area?

 

[ThoughtFox]

Maybe its stating the obvious, but if an area is too harsh for dogs to search, how did somebody transport a body and hide it in such an area?

Because someone could go along a path and toss a body into a ravine or roll it down a hill into underbrush?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

There are areas that search dogs need to be transported to- and assisted through- because the terrain is too dense or too dangerous for them to work in without support. There are also areas that SAR dogs can traverse safely and with much more efficiency than human SAR workers.

I can see both coming into play in many different geographical locations, and under many different physical conditions.

IDK the dog handler on TV said the opposite that a person could never go through this terrain but a dog could. This is seems to be a barnacle encrusted mangrove thicket in a coastal area. There may be some saw grass too (named for a reasons its like a saw). You can't see more than 2 feet into it from the TV film.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Maybe its stating the obvious, but if an area is too harsh for dogs to search, how did somebody transport a body and hide it in such an area?

That too and I have not seen any pictures of anywhere around the Bobo home that were as impenetrable as news media has made it out to be.

 

[Oriah]

IDK the dog handler on TV said the opposite that a person could never go through this terrain but a dog could. This is seems to be a barnacle encrusted mangrove thicket in a coastal area. There may be some saw grass too (named for a reasons its like a saw). You can't see more than 2 feet into it from the TV film.

I'm not familiar with the case you are referring to, but being accustomed to the terrain in the general area, I'm going to assume that it may be because the underbrush is 'high' enough for a dog to traverse, but too low for a human? Mangrove 'forests' are usually pretty smooth- tons and tons of roots that leach into the water- but a K9 won't typically get hung up, especially if they're a larger breed (they tend to know how small of a space they can safely enter, and their handler should be right there, directing. Hope they don't have collars/leashes/harnesses on.)
Sawgrass- K9's are usually protected by their coat, but sometimes it bugs their eyes and ears, that sort of thing.

The terrain Holly went missing from is entirely different from that type of terrain.

 

[Oriah]

Because someone could go along a path and toss a body into a ravine or roll it down a hill into underbrush?

Yep.
The terrain is completely different in TN.

 

[MizStery]

I find it inconceivable for Holly to allow anyone to waylay her that morning from leaving in time to take her test. When I went to the UW I knew there was no way to make up critical exams. On a exam day I would leave early in case of a flat tire so I would still be able to make it to school. Holly had worked very hard and studied to complete her training and this exam was a critical part of the coursework.

Even if on her way out the door she was ambushed by someone intent to lead her to a contrived emergency situation .....I cannot for one second believe she is going hike into the woods and miss the exam. I believe she would dial 911 and have the person stay on the line with the 911 operator and have them explain the injury so that the crew could quickly get to the scene and begin treatment.

She of all people would understand the importance of getting paramedics to treat a serious trama.

I think she was forced and hustled off under treat of harm.:waitasec: MOO

 

[Yoda]

In one of the family interviews, did dad walk off the set? I have never been able to find a working link for the video. If he did, did they show it? Did they cut away? Who was talking and what were they saying? Did he come back? Tia

The longer this goes on and the near silence out of the bobo camp, I am starting to look in towards the family. When I first heard about the issue with Drew hunting on family property, the flurry of phone calls, it sounded to me as if someone was angry about him being there. It was an important exam day for Holly. It must have been a serious issue if there were several phone calls between holly, drew, and mom. Maybe someone, family member, aimed his gun at drew and/or his dad. This person is po'ed that someone else is hunting on family property. Drew/dad explain who they are, who gave them permission, etc. Perhaps this person thinks kb had no right to offer the property, maybe the property is a hot issue for the family. So family member finds out Karen gave permission, it's holly's boyfriend and decides to go to the bobo house to give kb a piece if his mind. He runs into holly, talks with her, possibly saying don't tell your boyfriend he can hunt there, discussion turns into "he can hunt there if I want him to" or "because mom says so" -family member bops her one (blood), then leads her to his vehicle, possibly to go to kb's school to solve this issue, or db's work, or just because he is mad. Then things start to snowball from there. I thought of this scenario as soon as I heard about the issue at the family property- why? Because I know someone who heard a gun shot on his property, took off out of his deer stand, found the trespassers, pointed his gun at them and told them to leave the deer and get the he!! off of his land.
This could explain kb freaking, clint's non concern/confrontation, and db's near silence.

 

[~n/t~]

What do you think was the 2011 top story in Middle Tennessee?

Top Stories Of 2011 : Holly Bobo's Disappearance

http://www.newschannel5.com/category/228323/top-10-stories-of-2011

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/...chPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=42754951

 

[OldSteve]

I find it inconceivable for Holly to allow anyone to waylay her that morning from leaving in time to take her test. When I went to the UW I knew there was no way to make up critical exams. On a exam day I would leave early in case of a flat tire so I would still be able to make it to school. Holly had worked very hard and studied to complete her training and this exam was a critical part of the coursework.

Even if on her way out the door she was ambushed by someone intent to lead her to a contrived emergency situation .....I cannot for one second believe she is going hike into the woods and miss the exam. I believe she would dial 911 and have the person stay on the line with the 911 operator and have them explain the injury so that the crew could quickly get to the scene and begin treatment.

She of all people would understand the importance of getting paramedics to treat a serious trama.

I think she was forced and hustled off under treat of harm.:waitasec: MOO

A couple posts above I was looking for similarities between the Molly Bish case and Holly's - interesting that your post brings another to mind a similarity I hadn't thought of; namely that IIRC it was Molly's first day on the lifeguard job, many wondered why should have ever left her post without using the radio she had that was specifically there to call police for help.
Somehow, the perp that took her was able to have tricked (it is believed) her into following him to the woods to treat someone injured.
So, while you and I would have called LE and not missed going for an important test, or as in Molly's case where her police radio was right there - such things sadly do happen.

 

[OldSteve]

snipped for brevity and afterthought:

I find it inconceivable for Holly to allow anyone to waylay her that morning from leaving in time to take her test. When I went to the UW I knew there was no way to make up critical exams. On a exam day I would leave early in case of a flat tire so I would still be able to make it to school. Holly had worked very hard and studied to complete her training and this exam was a critical part of the coursework.

Had to smile when you mentioned extra time in case of a flat tire - I can relate to that, something I did and still do for anything important.
Which brings us to the key point of just what took place with Holly on that fateful morning.

Are we sure the blood was identified as HB's ? IIRC someone in her family mentioned that, but did LE ever confirm?

Considering the amount of time the perp spent with HB, it seems to me that she knew the person and some sort of confrontation was taking place - as if he was someone spurred by her..

I can imagine a love-grazed man cutting himself, threatening to do himself harm if she didn't listen to him, go with him.... but cannot imagine her going with him on any day, let alone test day. Also, the blood found isn't his.

So I agree that someone threatening her makes more sense. A threat that had to be really bad - she surely knew that would decrease her chances for survival.

So I ask, is it possible she assumed that her family or friends would know soon enough the person she went off with - causing her to think her chances were better by going with the perp than refusing?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

In one of the family interviews, did dad walk off the set? I have never been able to find a working link for the video. If he did, did they show it? Did they cut away? Who was talking and what were they saying? Did he come back? Tia

In the JVM interview, the segment started with Dana, Karen and Clint answering some vague questions about the case. The three were on for a bit, and IIRC returned after the commercial break to continue. After another break, Dana had been replaced by the Pastor, Kevin Bromley who spoke in the final part of the segment.

Now, everyone has their own idea about why he left or not. We do not know really. Some people think he was removed. Some thing he walked off... who knows.

 

[nosyone]

Wondering if anyone has noticed more activity on Holly Bobo's case in the last week? I have a Google alert set for any info on HB and usually get maybe one or two things a day at the most, now it is three to four things per hour.

 

[Oriah]

In the JVM interview, the segment started with Dana, Karen and Drew answering some vague questions about the case. The three were on for a bit, and IIRC returned after the commercial break to continue. After another break, Dana had been replaced by the Pastor, Kevin Bromley who spoke in the final part of the segment.

Now, everyone has their own idea about why he left or not. We do not know really. Some people think he was removed. Some thing he walked off... who knows.

BBM:
I think you mean Clint- not Drew?
Or am I thinking of a different interview?