TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[OldSteve]

Gail Palmgren been found, and now it looks like Karen Swift may have been found,
though most strange in a cemetery.... perhaps a break is next in Holly's case, though how I wish she could be found alive.

Regarding Karen (hate to say this but if it's not Karen, could it be Holly?)
http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...of-Missing-Mother/7CIst0CCLU-8IlPkBJ_xfQ.cspx

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-body-found-in-dyer-county-20111210,0,2631866.story

 

[Nehemiah]

Gail Palmgren been found, and now it looks like Karen Swift may have been found,
though most strange in a cemetery.... perhaps a break is next in Holly's case, though how I wish she could be found alive.

Regarding Karen (hate to say this but if it's not Karen, could it be Holly?)
http://www.abc24.com/news/local/sto...of-Missing-Mother/7CIst0CCLU-8IlPkBJ_xfQ.cspx

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-body-found-in-dyer-county-20111210,0,2631866.story

Off record, LE is certain it's Karen. They won't make a public announcement until the results are back from the crime lab.

I certainly wish Holly could be found soon.

 

[nosyone]

There was a missing persons case in Hope Mills, NC from November that ended today after a SAR team from Tennessee was requested, came in and found the person within just a few hours. I keep thinking that if HB were in the area, the SAR teams would have located her. These people are well trained and very, very good at what they do, it just doesn't make sense to me that there hasn't been any trace of her since her personal items were found, which in my opinion were planted. I just do not believe that she is still in the area. JMO!

 

[Patience]

Did KB and Cb leave school and work to search for Holly? I believe I read that they have. I wonder then where they have searched because I have not seen one article about their searches. This is hinky to me. Did I miss a full page spread on the family searching?

 

[Mr. Noatak]

I agree that this law would be a useful tool for LE- but have a hard time with the invasion of privacy, showing cause, and assumption of innocence. It's a big 'ole can of worms to me. But I'll be interested to see what happens in January.

At any rate, I am curious as to why you feel it is so important in Holly's case? Familial DNA could very well have already been taken with consent from the 'owners'. But we would have no way of knowing that at this point.
Why do you think it would have such an impact on Holly's case?

My opinions only, no facts here:

Because with an exact DNA match, you are looking for one, and only one unique person. With familial DNA, you are looking for hundreds of relatives of the the suspect, who either have previously committed a felony or voluntarily submitted their DNA. Familial DNA is very broad-brush, but can go a long way towards narrowing the search to just one family line.

 

[Plumeria5]

Did KB and Cb leave school and work to search for Holly? I believe I read that they have. I wonder then where they have searched because I have not seen one article about their searches. This is hinky to me. Did I miss a full page spread on the family searching?

Patience, this is one of the articles which discusses the family searching. I don't remember that any specific areas were disclosed, just neighboring towns and out of state.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/15336333/search-for-holly-bobo-now-a-full-time-job-for-her-family

 

[cluciano63]

Do we have reason to be believe that LE has any DNA to compare against anyone or anything?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Did KB and Cb leave school and work to search for Holly? I believe I read that they have. I wonder then where they have searched because I have not seen one article about their searches. This is hinky to me. Did I miss a full page spread on the family searching?

Karen quit her job at school and Clint dropped out of College. Dana had been searching local woods, etc when he got off work in the evening.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Do we have reason to be believe that LE has any DNA to compare against anyone or anything?

Hard to say. We don't know what real evidence LE has or does not have. Perhaps unknown DNA was found somewhere and if the suspect was not already in the database based on prior arrests then it would be of little help right now.

Again, this reminds me (if they do have unknown DNA) of the Anne Pressly murder. The suspect's DNA was not in the system and just came back as "unknown". However, a man was questioned by cops regarding seeminly unrelated crimes and he voluntarily submitted a DNA sample. Only at that time did his DNA come back as a match not only for Anne's assault and murder but also an unsolved rape in a nearby town. In that case too it took seven months to fully process some of the DNA evidence so its not this 5 minute job like it is on TV.

 

[OldSteve]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Because with an exact DNA match, you are looking for one, and only one unique person. With familial DNA, you are looking for hundreds of relatives of the the suspect, who either have previously committed a felony or voluntarily submitted their DNA. Familial DNA is very broad-brush, but can go a long way towards narrowing the search to just one family line.

Wonder how this works - does the present CODIS system only search for exact matches?
If so, wonder how much software mod'ing would be needed to expand searching to familial matches?
How far back, relative wise could this go?
Could the system handle the increased processing?

Under current law is it legal to simply have the system do familial searching?
Okay, I'm wondering too much :sleuth:

 

[wishuwerehere]

Wonder how this works - does the present CODIS system only search for exact matches?
If so, wonder how much software mod'ing would be needed to expand searching to familial matches?
How far back, relative wise could this go?
Could the system handle the increased processing?

Under current law is it legal to simply have the system do familial searching?
Okay, I'm wondering too much :sleuth:

Old Steve:

Here's an interesting article on familial DNA: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/329/5989/262.full?sid=3e8b039d-f162-47ae-8e58-bedd775eb20d

Sims and Myers explained that the lab's software uses this information to generate a ranked list of the convicted felons in the DNA database who are most likely to be first-order relatives—parents, children, or full siblings—of the person a DNA sample came from. (They say the statistics aren't strong enough to identify more distant relatives, who share a quarter or less of their DNA.) When both individuals in question are male, the lab also looks at a similar number of short tandem repeats on the Y chromosome, which should be an exact match between fathers and sons and between full brothers.

BBM

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Wonder how this works - does the present CODIS system only search for exact matches?
If so, wonder how much software mod'ing would be needed to expand searching to familial matches?
How far back, relative wise could this go?
Could the system handle the increased processing?

Under current law is it legal to simply have the system do familial searching?
Okay, I'm wondering too much :sleuth:

My opinions only, no facts here:

I believe only some states allow law enforcement to conduct familial DNA searches, or at least to act upon the results of such searches. Part of the problem is the difficulty in crafting a bill that is constitutional.

 

[Oriah]

An interesting read re: familial DNA and criminal investigations.
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/07/scientists-explain-how-familial.html

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/var/ezp_...s/centers/rappaport/powerpoints/lazer_dna.pdf

(ETA- oops, sorry wishuwerehere- didn't mean to repeat your post)

 

[officer'swife 2010]

Ive been trying to wrap my mind around the whole disapperance of Holly Bobo, reading every article I can find been on forums.....so long and nothing really has been told to the public. Being married to a cop, I've seen him really get involved in cases esp. when it has to do with kids. Most cops have a no sense of feeling towards anybody well at least the ones I know but after working hours upon hours and putting your everything into a case I can bet he's invovled emitonally.....he would have to be right? maybe i'm wrong...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

the Paragliders are back...

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/16312654/paragliders-offer-services-in-holly-bobo-search

This seems to be a different paraglider group...

 

[TxLady2]

It would be the suspect's family. Perhaps if Jim Bob was the suspect but NOT in the data base, he could be identified or narrowed down because of similar, familiar matches to his Brother Joe Bob, etc.

AFAIK, there is no suspect. So what you're saying is, if they find DNA from someone other than Holly's family around the property, they can check that against DNA they have on file.
Lord help the mailman, deliverymen, repairmen... anyone that came onto the property in the recent past, if they have a relative who is in the correctional system somewhere.
I just don't see how any of this familial DNA is going to help without a body. She could have been taken to Timbuktu and is chained to a pole in someone's basement somewhere.
Unless a body turns up, I think this may be one case that is never going to be solved or at least not any time soon. They got nothing. We don't even know whose blood was found, or if it was 2 or 3 drops or a whole quart. We don't know what items were found that belonged to her other than the lunch bag. Nobody can agree on whether Clint saw them in the garage, the carport, or wherever it was. We don't know much of anything for sure. And neither does TBI, the FBI, Sheriff's Dept., the CIA, Homeland Security, Secret Service, nor any of the other Alphabet agencies, looks like.
I'm just frustrated.

 

[cluciano63]

Actually, Holly's parents did say the blood belonged to Holly, on the Jane Velez Mitchell show...FWIW.

 

[TxLady2]

Ive been trying to wrap my mind around the whole disapperance of Holly Bobo, reading every article I can find been on forums.....so long and nothing really has been told to the public. Being married to a cop, I've seen him really get involved in cases esp. when it has to do with kids. Most cops have a no sense of feeling towards anybody well at least the ones I know but after working hours upon hours and putting your everything into a case I can bet he's invovled emitonally.....he would have to be right? maybe i'm wrong...[/QUOTE]

I'm a little confused by the part I bolded... who is the 'he' you are referring to? Or do you mean your hubby?
My son is also in LE and they usually try not to get too emotionally involved in these cases, but sometimes they can't help it. Small town LE often know just about everybody in the area, and it makes it hard when it's someone you know and like.
Several years ago, my son helped in a case of a mother killing her children, and it about did him in, he got very, very upset. When it's a young child, it's very hard to remain detached and not get emotional. Most agencies offer counseling, too.

 

[mountainguy777]

Actually, Holly's parents did say the blood belonged to Holly, on the Jane Velez Mitchell show...FWIW.

Yeah, Dana said it, then was quickly replaced on the show by the family pastor.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

AFAIK, there is no suspect. So what you're saying is, if they find DNA from someone other than Holly's family around the property, they can check that against DNA they have on file.
Lord help the mailman, deliverymen, repairmen... anyone that came onto the property in the recent past, if they have a relative who is in the correctional system somewhere.
I just don't see how any of this familial DNA is going to help without a body. She could have been taken to Timbuktu and is chained to a pole in someone's basement somewhere.
Unless a body turns up, I think this may be one case that is never going to be solved or at least not any time soon. They got nothing. We don't even know whose blood was found, or if it was 2 or 3 drops or a whole quart. We don't know what items were found that belonged to her other than the lunch bag. Nobody can agree on whether Clint saw them in the garage, the carport, or wherever it was. We don't know much of anything for sure. And neither does TBI, the FBI, Sheriff's Dept., the CIA, Homeland Security, Secret Service, nor any of the other Alphabet agencies, looks like.
I'm just frustrated.

Well much of my comment is meant to be in general and not necessarily referring to Holly.

We do NOT KNOW if any other DNA was found. We know blood was found and it was Holly's, but was another unknown DNA found anywhere? That is not uncommon when suspects get scratched, cut themself, etc. Perhaps a hair was found somewhere. Thats how they convicted Anne Pressly's killer... one single hair. Yes you might find the mailman's DNA (in theory) but if you found say, his semen in the garage, that would be odd. You do not have to have a known suspect to have DNA or to try to narrow the focus down by using such DNA