TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[MizStery]

Interesting.

Or another take on it: “Everything has been an attempt to explain what happened, without blaming Clint.”

jmo

When I began reading this thread back in Oct 2011 it was obvious to me that the problem was the inconsistencies in CB's statement and reconciling those with the documented events of that morning."

But,somewhere along the line I decided CB was not misleading (at least not intentionally) in his
statement .......now I am not so sure.

I can't put my finger on it. It just hit me after reading your post. The first thing you look for is
inconsistencies....good grief I can't get past CB's inability to 'grasp' all he has to do is-mosey over
to the cotton-picking door and ask Holly if she is OK. It is not rocket science. :doh: MOO

I can't imagine how KB worked... gosh I would think she would be worried one of them might walk off a cliff without her being there.

 

[Pugnolia]

As far as Turkey Camo goes, it was Turkey hunting season. I would imagine many of the hunters in the woods that day would be in Turkey Camo. Kind of makes it hard to distinguish one man (person) from another. Good disguise if you're trying to blend in.

:turkey:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Tony Calabrese of "Tactical Search and Rescue" has been a pain in LE's neck from almost the git-go. *Why the warrant? *Does LE suspect him of at least having information pertinent to the case?

IMO TBI may want people(the public) to think
Or believe that. But IMO most who've followed the case, even minimally know that in all honesty TBI knows beyond a shadow of a doubt TC is in no way involved in Holly Bobo's disappearance..

Would be nice if LE could do something else, besides searching this guy's place - like finding Holly, perhaps. *#fail

As someone said before me, if for no other reason I am atleast glad to see Holly's name brought to the forefront.. Sadly I can attest that people in this area have truly forgotten all about Holly Bobo and when I bring up her name people do say," Oh Yea, the pretty blonde"..Followed by them saying, "You mean that girl was never found and they don't even know how, who, why she was abducted/killed?"

This accomplishes nothing unless it moves the case forward, toward finding Holly. *It appears to be only grandstanding on LE's part.

You are correct once again and IMO are stating the sad, yet honest truth of the situation..

I agree with that wfgodot.

AND I know I am probably a lone wolf here, but I still don't get why this guy is considered the devil. *True, his actions are questionable, but I don't see anything he is accused of as horrible, and apparently none of these things have proved to be illegal or he would have been arrested I would think.

Referring to Holly as "baby girl"? *Perhaps a bit odd and overly familiar, but not outrageous. *How is it different from "dear girl" or "precious girl", terms many folks online have used for HB and other missing persons even though they don't know them personally?

Harrassing women to call? *The women cited in the article were the administrators of a highly-regarded Find Holly FB page, so they weren't random. *Still doesn't make it right to do, but I would have to know more about how the it fit the term 'harrassment'.

Making false claims online? *Yes, that alone is enough to discredit this guy, but I'm not sure how it fits 'hindering an investigation'. *There must be tons of false claims all over the internet about HB. *Unless this guy was soliciting $$ to go towards his fictious searches, I can't understand how he hindered the investigation. *

Now, the fact that the search of this guy's home is a very good thing IMHO because it got some news reports generated about HB which was sorely needed. *I applaud that. * I am grateful for any mention of HB in the media to keep as many thinking about her as possible. * Whenever people talk about HB, I think it increases the chance that someone might call with that 'one clue' LE has said they are missing to find her.

Now, I'm debating whether to click the SUBMIT button on this post. *These are just my opinions on this TC guy and his involvement in the case. *Realizing I am probably the only one who thinks he is harmless makes me uneasy so I will don my flamewear and duck. <gulp>

Oh coco, no need to worry you are not alone in your feelings and opinions regarding TC and this "development" in Holly's case.. And i agree with you as well about that atleast this "development" has brought media attention back onto Holly's case!!*

SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE HAS EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO BREAK THIS WHOLE CASE WIDE OPEN!!!

Of course he's a jerk. *Big deal. *That doesn't mean one gets a judge to sign a warrant allowing LE to invade the man's home. *How is this helpful? *To the actual case, to finding Holly? * So he's not helpful. *Big deal. *Neither has TBI been. *If they have charges to file against him, let them. *But that is not what is really at issue here. *Filing charges against Calabrese will not move the actual case forward one bit, unless those charges have directly to do with Holly's disappearance or whereabouts.

TC is a weirdo and yep, a jerk as well using someone's missing persons case to bring themselves into the spotlight acting as tho they are important and in some instances acting as if they are even a vital part of searching and finding this young woman .. Again for his personal gain it certainly appears!! .. Weirdo.. Yep:. Jerk.. Yep yep!! .. In any way whatsoever involved in even the most microscopic of ways with Holly Bobo before she went missing, actually when she went missing, and/or at any point thereafter her being abducted(most very likely killed)???.. No.. Nope.. Not even if in his delusional mind he wished that he WAS involved in her disappearance before, during, or after... TC is nothing but just what he appears to be.. A jerk, weirdo!!
Nothing more.. Nothing less and they're a dime a dozen and even cheaper when you take a look around at the hangers ons in the peripheral of a missing persons case(you make that missing person a young, beautiful blonde female and you just quadrupled the jerk, weirdos that slink around the case and any discussion of the case)..*

IMO TBI essentially have just shown their hand, tipped it right over and showed what they've got.. So, very sadly IMO it appears as if they truly either do not have a clue or they do but have yet to find anything whatsoever to prove what has happened to Holly in a court of law..

Maybe I'm totally wrong and it's the entire opposite..*shrug*.. I pray I am wrong and it's only a matter of a short amount of time that we'll see Holly found, brought home and see justice served on the azzes responsible for harming her..

I find it a bit odd that more news sites are not reporting this search of TC's home. *There are only a handful of articles that turn up in a Google news search. *Can anyone find something other than examiner.com and [link removed]? *Only one other source that I can locate is reporting this story on the search that happened yesterday. *What do you all make of that?

Not sure about what all shows up in searching *the internet for articles regarding this latest TC mess, but I know that here, locally(suburb of Mphis) the local news took and ran with attempts of blowing it into actual forward movement in Holly's case.. I, of course took immediate notice of the first blurb of upcoming breaking news in the Bobo case.. Finally when it came time for the reporting on the issue it lasted all of 90+seconds and I literally *had steam rolling out my ears when it was quickly over before ever anything had even begun.. Iow, IMO NOTHING HERE but maybe a little of what wfgodot said of TBI's "grandstanding".. There is something very wrong with this case and I've tried my damnedest to quell my instincts and chalk them up to a naive, country boy's lack of social skills and communication..I'm sorry but there's way more that's going on here than Clint Bobo's maturity or lack thereof.. There is something VERY WRONG and I am not just speaking of the fact that this young woman has been missing almost a full year.. Nope, IMO that's only where it starts...

 

[MizStery]

<snipped for space>There is something very wrong with this case and I've tried my damnedest to quell my instincts and chalk them up to a naive, country boy's lack of social skills and communication..I'm sorry but there's way more that's going on here than Clint Bobo's maturity or lack thereof.. There is something VERY WRONG and I am not just speaking of the fact that this young woman has been missing almost a full year.. Nope, IMO that's only where it starts...

Thanks for your post. Great observations. :smile:

 

[Hippy Chick]

IMO TBI may want people(the public) to think
Or believe that. But IMO most who've followed the case, even minimally know that in all honesty TBI knows beyond a shadow of a doubt TC is in no way involved in Holly Bobo's disappearance..


As someone said before me, if for no other reason I am atleast glad to see Holly's name brought to the forefront.. Sadly I can attest that people in this area have truly forgotten all about Holly Bobo and when I bring up her name people do say," Oh Yea, the pretty blonde"..Followed by them saying, "You mean that girl was never found and they don't even know how, who, why she was abducted/killed?"


You are correct once again and IMO are stating the sad, yet honest truth of the situation..


Oh coco, no need to worry you are not alone in your feelings and opinions regarding TC and this "development" in Holly's case.. And i agree with you as well about that atleast this "development" has brought media attention back onto Holly's case!!*

SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE HAS EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO BREAK THIS WHOLE CASE WIDE OPEN!!!


TC is a weirdo and yep, a jerk as well using someone's missing persons case to bring themselves into the spotlight acting as tho they are important and in some instances acting as if they are even a vital part of searching and finding this young woman .. Again for his personal gain it certainly appears!! .. Weirdo.. Yep:. Jerk.. Yep yep!! .. In any way whatsoever involved in even the most microscopic of ways with Holly Bobo before she went missing, actually when she went missing, and/or at any point thereafter her being abducted(most very likely killed)???.. No.. Nope.. Not even if in his delusional mind he wished that he WAS involved in her disappearance before, during, or after... TC is nothing but just what he appears to be.. A jerk, weirdo!!
Nothing more.. Nothing less and they're a dime a dozen and even cheaper when you take a look around at the hangers ons in the peripheral of a missing persons case(you make that missing person a young, beautiful blonde female and you just quadrupled the jerk, weirdos that slink around the case and any discussion of the case)..*

IMO TBI essentially have just shown their hand, tipped it right over and showed what they've got.. So, very sadly IMO it appears as if they truly either do not have a clue or they do but have yet to find anything whatsoever to prove what has happened to Holly in a court of law..

Maybe I'm totally wrong and it's the entire opposite..*shrug*.. I pray I am wrong and it's only a matter of a short amount of time that we'll see Holly found, brought home and see justice served on the azzes responsible for harming her..


Not sure about what all shows up in searching *the internet for articles regarding this latest TC mess, but I know that here, locally(suburb of Mphis) the local news took and ran with attempts of blowing it into actual forward movement in Holly's case.. I, of course took immediate notice of the first blurb of upcoming breaking news in the Bobo case.. Finally when it came time for the reporting on the issue it lasted all of 90+seconds and I literally *had steam rolling out my ears when it was quickly over before ever anything had even begun.. Iow, IMO NOTHING HERE but maybe a little of what wfgodot said of TBI's "grandstanding".. There is something very wrong with this case and I've tried my damnedest to quell my instincts and chalk them up to a naive, country boy's lack of social skills and communication..I'm sorry but there's way more that's going on here than Clint Bobo's maturity or lack thereof.. There is something VERY WRONG and I am not just speaking of the fact that this young woman has been missing almost a full year.. Nope, IMO that's only where it starts...

I have always thought there was something more to CB than meets the eye. Something is just not right, unless he is slow or mentally impaired the story we know can't be right. If he thought it was Drew and Holly in the garage/car port why not go say something to them. When the family appeared on the JVM show me and my bf was watching and we both got the drift that her father left because he couldn't sit up there on National TV and fabricate the truth like KB and CB. The way KB kept looking at CB very nervous IMO like he would say the wrong thing. IDK whats going on but I believe KB and CB know:twocents: alot more than they let on. I don't think KB had anything to do with what happened to HB but more after the fact. DB I believe was clue less..

 

[Whisperer]

. I like Judge Judy's phrase. If it doesn't make sense, it's a lie.

 

[Whisperer]

As far as Turkey Camo goes, it was Turkey hunting season. I would imagine many of the hunters in the woods that day would be in Turkey Camo. Kind of makes it hard to distinguish one man (person) from another. Good disguise if you're trying to blend in.

:turkey:

I don't think there were any hunters on the Bobo Property. They have to have permission to be there.

This turkey camo thing has legs...IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

The "turkey camo" bit has been out there for many many months...not sure how helpful it is at this point, as apparently it has not been to date...JMO

 

[~n/t~]

The "turkey camo" bit has been out there for many many months...not sure how helpful it is at this point, as apparently it has not been to date...JMO

I agree. It could go either way.

1) A local who is an avid hunter and/or camo wear was the usual fashion wear for the perp.

2) A non local who observed what most locals wear and used the camo wear as a disguise and ruse to get to Holly

Either scenario, however, shows premeditation, imo. Holly was targeted.

 

[Frogzilla]

Excellent analysis Frogzilla!

In your opinion, what is stopping LE from publicly clearing up any confusion about Holly's case?

I wish I had ANY kind of decent answer for that question. I think the simplest answer is probably that TBI does not see an advantage in using the media to progress their case or they do not trust giving out info to anybody besides their own agency. I am willing to bet the TBI has not just shut out the media, but also the local LE. Then add in the fact that the TBI has very little media relations and are probably not use to having a big spotlight shown on their activities.
IMO the bottom line here is that the TBI probably does not trust anybody but themselves in this case. They have repeatedly said that their only focused on the community and believe HB had never left the general area. That should make us all realize that the wolves are in the hen house and that angle could explain why LE is acting the way that they are. There is obviously some pieces to the puzzle that the public is not aware of that guides the LE in this case. To claim she had never left the area and to then just stop doing organized searches means they probably have some ideas where to look, but something is preventing them. If we look at the Gail Palmgren case, the TBI claims they knew where to look for her, but had to wait until the right time to actually search. I cannot say that is what is happening in HB case, but it is something to consider( or a variation of this, such as LE knows who took HB but do not know where she is and they do not have the critical piece of evidence they need to advance the case. So they are just waiting for that "one clue" to make a connection.)
So in conclusion I cannot give much of answer to that question and I can only assume if LE does have a person they like for the crime, this person is more than likely to be fully aware that LE is onto them and LE may be worried that without arresting him/them, that rattling their cage may put others in danger. It is also possible that if LE were to name somebody that there certainly could be the vigilante justice factor, including retaliation on the perp's family. If somebody is capable of killing one person, they are capable of killing anybody and any animal is most dangerous when backed into a corner.

 

[Frogzilla]

You miss my point. Of course he's a jerk. Big deal. That doesn't mean one gets a judge to sign a warrant allowing LE to invade the man's home. How is this helpful? To the actual case, to finding Holly? So he's not helpful. Big deal. Neither has TBI been. If they have charges to file against him, let them. But that is not what is really at issue here. Filing charges against Calabrese will not move the actual case forward one bit, unless those charges have directly to do with Holly's disappearance or whereabouts.

I know there were several posts about this shady character, but I am choosing to respond to this one because you asked the key question about this person- How is this helpful to finding HB?
I think the first thing that can be gleaned from this new development is that the TBI moves at a snail's pace in anything that they do. They had plenty to bring to a judge once this guy started soliciting people with information to NOT CALL LE, but to call him instead(obstruction of justice-impersonating a LE officer). That should of been the end of it right there, but why wasn't it? Is there possibly some other connection going on here that the TBi wanted to see develop before they made their move at him? I do not believe we will hear anything more about this from the TBI unless they arrest him and if they do, they will probably not add anything.
I think the first reason this was a long time coming is because he has inserted himself not just into the case, but into the actual investigation. He fishes for info from unsuspecting, or maybe suspecting, people and uses that as a vehicle to start accusing people of having possible involvement. If you read his posts, he has accused just about everyone possible in the local area. One week it is CB, the next week DS, etc...
The main reason that I think this could develop into something, ANYTHING, is that he has devoted himself to this case and admits that he has never left his computer during his antics involving this case. The search warrants will surely allow them to analyze his computers and maybe there was come credible info that he received that LE never got wind of or somebody he has been communicating with that may seem suspicious (possible accessory after the fact charges.) If this guy just randomly inserted himself into the case for no good reason, then there are certainly some mental health issues that are at play.
The question it leaves me wondering, and everybody else, is why did he insert himself into this particular case? If you read on other sites, ones that are not moderated, there is alot of discussion about this person and did they possibly have any connection to people in HB life before she was abducted. I am not going to sit here and tell you that has any truth to it, but I have seen the reasons why people could think that is worthy of being investigated.
All I know for sure is that for all the time that LE has been watching this guy, I hope for their sake that something pans out because if not, it's just another reason to be extremely skeptical of their abilities and common sense because as Carla so eloquently put it, LE could of metaphorically stomped the snot out of this guy awhile ago and their case would not of been interfered with.

 

[MizStery]

Good post Mr. Noatak.
<snipped for space>

Whatever CB was doing he was able to pay attention to quite a few things, makes you wonder how close to HB he actually was at some point.) .

First of all... like Frogzilla I want to thank Mr. Noatak for his timeline.

Second, I have highlighted Frogzilla's logic ...because the retelling of CB's recollection of that morning has more holes than Swiss Cheese. Which leads us to ask ourselves (as the only witness
)where was CB's unobstructed vantage point of HB and the perp that morning? Or,more to the point was he just an observer or ____? MOO :beamup:

 

[OldSteve]

Just thinking.... After all these months, we know so little about Holly's circle of friends, and things really going on in her life. Too bad acquaintances and friends don't post on Webslueths... Would such info help solve the case?

 

[cluciano63]

Just thinking.... After all these months, we know so little about Holly's circle of friends, and things really going on in her life. Too bad acquaintances and friends don't post on Webslueths... Would such info help solve the case?

I would have to think LE has all of that info by now? And it doesn't seem to have helped...JMO

 

[nosyone]

Was the description of what HB was wearing when she disappeared based on her mother's recollection of what she was wearing when she saw her last or CB's description of what she was wearing? It was reported that she was wearing flip flops even on that cold morning but I seem to recall her friend saying that she was talking with her on the phone while she was putting on her shoes. I realize that this is pretty insignificant but I try to think of every little detail I have read and how usually there is something that comes along to contradict it!

 

[Oriah]

Was the description of what HB was wearing when she disappeared based on her mother's recollection of what she was wearing when she saw her last or CB's description of what she was wearing? It was reported that she was wearing flip flops even on that cold morning but I seem to recall her friend saying that she was talking with her on the phone while she was putting on her shoes. I realize that this is pretty insignificant but I try to think of every little detail I have read and how usually there is something that comes along to contradict it!

Not insignificant at all, imo. I have wondered about an accurate description of Holly's footwear since she first went missing.
Perhaps she was getting ready to put on tennis shoes, and then threw on flip flops to run outside for a minute? Or had tossed them in her car? Or maybe the tennis shoe thing was just a sort of "I'm getting ready to head out the door right now' kind of conversation with her friend?
Lots of possibilities, I think.

 

[TxLady2]

As far as Turkey Camo goes, it was Turkey hunting season. I would imagine many of the hunters in the woods that day would be in Turkey Camo. Kind of makes it hard to distinguish one man (person) from another. Good disguise if you're trying to blend in.

:turkey:

I don't think the type of outfit he was wearing was ever established. The discussion started because somebody said since it was turkey season he musta been wearing turkey camo, and it went from a speculation to an assumption. If Clint ever confirmed that it was turkey camo, I surely haven't read or heard that.
We have hunters around here who hunt just about everything that is legal to hunt. If I had to guess, I would say that most of them don't have a separate camo outfit for every type of critter they hunt. Many of our deer hunters wear a bright colored vest or jacket because otherwise you might get shot if you blend into the trees TOO well.

 

[cluciano63]

I also think lots of people said that this "camo" stuff is regular daily wear for lots of people in certain regions, so he may not even be a hunter. The camo, whatever kind it was, may not mean much of anything. Like everything else about this case, we don't seem to know for sure and it probably would not clear up anything if we did. I don't think we would be any further ahead if we knew what shoes Holly wore either, unless one or both is found in an area away from the Bobo property. But again, LE has never been specific about the items still missing, which seems very unhelpful as far as clue-gathering via the public. I am not sure how anyone is supposed to know if they stumble across something important or not. JMO

 

[nosyone]

I also think lots of people said that this "camo" stuff is regular daily wear for lots of people in certain regions, so he may not even be a hunter. The camo, whatever kind it was, may not mean much of anything. Like everything else about this case, we don't seem to know for sure and it probably would not clear up anything if we did. I don't think we would be any further ahead if we knew what shoes Holly wore either, unless one or both is found in an area away from the Bobo property. But again, LE has never been specific about the items still missing, which seems very unhelpful as far as clue-gathering via the public. I am not sure how anyone is supposed to know if they stumble across something important or not. JMO

The only thing that seems to be a fact is that Holly is missing (and I can't swear to THAT) There isn't one verifiable fact in this whole case that I can think of!:floorlaugh:

 

[Hippy Chick]

why has this family been so silent? Beth Holloway, Mark Klass, Dena Thompson, John Walsh, The Smarts, all of these folks spoke up right away and continued to speak out thru the investigation. Why have the Bobo's been so quite. Thats were I have a problem with this case if that was my daughter I would have and still be trying to get all the attention I could put on her. The interview with JVM was just so strange and almost like they were reading a script. Something is very wrong here and I like some of the rest of you, have followed missing person cases for yrs and have never saw a family act quite so strange. Also no girlfriends, classmates, grandparents, aunts uncles nobody has said a word i don't understand. Why do you all think the reason for the silence is?