TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[ThoughtFox]

I also think lots of people said that this "camo" stuff is regular daily wear for lots of people in certain regions, so he may not even be a hunter. The camo, whatever kind it was, may not mean much of anything. Like everything else about this case, we don't seem to know for sure and it probably would not clear up anything if we did. I don't think we would be any further ahead if we knew what shoes Holly wore either, unless one or both is found in an area away from the Bobo property. But again, LE has never been specific about the items still missing, which seems very unhelpful as far as clue-gathering via the public. I am not sure how anyone is supposed to know if they stumble across something important or not. JMO

I certainly said that camo is common and most people wouldn't know the difference between one type and another. All I know is that there are different brands with various types of leaves on them. And sometimes it's just cheap if you hit a sale in the spring at KMart or WalMart.

I don't know where the turkey camo idea came from.

But anyone who works outdoors or who just wants to fit in with the good old boys might be wearing camo. The good thing about camo is that it's warm, obviously, and it's lightweight. You don't have to be a hunter to wear camo, and it's not like a standard uniform or something. You might have the coat but not the pants, for instance. You might wear a vest over it or not.

I have a brother who is a fly fisherman and goes out in the woods all the time, but he probably never owned any camo in his life, and never will. Other people just like to wear it but they never hunt either.

 

[Whisperer]

I certainly said that camo is common and most people wouldn't know the difference between one type and another. All I know is that there are different brands with various types of leaves on them. And sometimes it's just cheap if you hit a sale in the spring at KMart or WalMart.

I don't know where the turkey camo idea came from.

But anyone who works outdoors or who just wants to fit in with the good old boys might be wearing camo. The good thing about camo is that it's warm, obviously, and it's lightweight. You don't have to be a hunter to wear camo, and it's not like a standard uniform or something. You might have the coat but not the pants, for instance. You might wear a vest over it or not.

I have a brother who is a fly fisherman and goes out in the woods all the time, but he probably never owned any camo in his life, and never will. Other people just like to wear it but they never hunt either.

It came from me. I know nothing about camo. When I started researching, I noticed "Turkey Camo" was very distinct.

Being Clint and Drew hunt Turkeys, I would think they own more than the standard military style they wear every day. Clint was the witness. The man was wearing "FULL CAMO". He would know what style camo the guy was wearing and it may be very important to know. He thinks he saw Drew. Was Drew wearing Camo that day....sure he was.

Would your average stranger sex predator be wearing camo?...probably not. It is somebody close to Holly and Clint has a very good idea who..imo. LE should also have a good idea who this perp is just by the type of camo clint describes.

Turkey Camo is VERY different. I was simply questioning that Clint has to know what kind the perp was wearing and this fact may narrow the list of suspects, significantly. I doubt every body wears camo every day. It appears the youth like it the most down there. Clint knows what he saw but his memory is being sliced, diced and re-imaged for him.

What kind of camo did Clint see? I am sure in that area, they all know the types that the serious hunters wear. Clint and Drew, I hear, were serious bird hunters. I bet they have different types for hunting than they do for socializing.

 

[JustALaxBro]

This is all my opinion..
The differences between deer hunting and turkey hunting is camo. In deer hunting you can get away with the bright orange. However, turkey hunting makes you have to blend in a lot more; turkey's have more keen vision and hearing. While camo may be fairly common in this community, how many where it from head to toe on a daily basis?
I don't think the perp wore camo to "fit in" with the others in the community, but to fit in with his surroundings. So if someone did see him in the woods he could say he was turkey hunting. I also think that the perp used the logging road that runs from the bobo's and around the pond. (from my research of turkey hunting/camo) around early/mid-morning you may want to hunt along a logging road, and after a heavy rain fall it is prime for turkey hunting.
So my question is, How many people in the community know about this logging road? or what is the odds of a random stranger finding a small, random 'road' in rural Tennessee?
I'm still having a hard time believing that she disappeared without any trace, someone or something (traffic,weather camera,etc.) had to have seen something.

 

[Frogzilla]

This is all my opinion..
The differences between deer hunting and turkey hunting is camo. In deer hunting you can get away with the bright orange. However, turkey hunting makes you have to blend in a lot more; turkey's have more keen vision and hearing. While camo may be fairly common in this community, how many where it from head to toe on a daily basis?
I don't think the perp wore camo to "fit in" with the others in the community, but to fit in with his surroundings. So if someone did see him in the woods he could say he was turkey hunting. I also think that the perp used the logging road that runs from the bobo's and around the pond. (from my research of turkey hunting/camo) around early/mid-morning you may want to hunt along a logging road, and after a heavy rain fall it is prime for turkey hunting.
So my question is, How many people in the community know about this logging road? or what is the odds of a random stranger finding a small, random 'road' in rural Tennessee?
I'm still having a hard time believing that she disappeared without any trace, someone or something (traffic,weather camera,etc.) had to have seen something.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this is something we have discussed before, but it is certainly worth keeping in mind. I completely agree with the idea that this guy wore camo to play pretend hunter in case somebody approached him. It would also make sense that this man had a firearm on him (also a knife). I also agree that the logging road being behind the property can really change your perspective on this case because a random person would not stumble upon it and then have a plan to walk his victim into the woods towards this logging road. Since CB did not see any vehicles in front of the house when he looked for the meter man possibly being there, one can only assume that the perp had a vehicle out of sight, but in the immediate area(would have to know much more than just the existence of this logging road to hide and then perfectly time the attack). Another idea to keep in mind is if CB was not there that day, and remembering this house is in the middle of nowhere, can we picture a scenario where an abductor walks their victim away casually towards the woods? This had to be a reaction to CB presence and IMO shows the abductor had at least one contingency for leaving the area quickly.
When you really take a hard look at the timeline and then consider how long it would take for an abductor to hurry their victim using this logging trail and regardless of which way they went, how long would it take to even reach this vehicle out of sight? 2,4,6,8 minutes? If CB sees them walk away at 7:55~AM and LE arrives between 8-8:05AM, that is a little less than a ten minute window. This abductor did not have much of a head start to make her disappear without a trace. There was also a quote from the TBI director to the effect of- It was as if she was spirited out of the area.
I also think that HB did not disappear without a trace, as does the TBI since they have said people have info they are not sharing. It's hard to gauge what that means exactly, but I think it is safe to assume the TBI thinks that more than one person knows what happened to HB or who is responsible.

 

[~n/t~]

ABC News reported investigators have said they believe Bobo's abductor is from the area.

"The person responsible for Holly's disappearance lives in the area," Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, said. "Because of the terrain, you have to know where you're going, entrances and exits. We feel the person is in the community. We're asking the community if you know someone who has changed their routine, please let us know."

Gwyn said Bobo may have been spirited away from the immediate area but investigators believe she is still in the state.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...-Tenn-woman/UPI-72981303702724/#ixzz1izSMYxlJ




They also said they were one clue away from solving the case and here we are 9 months later.......

 

[cluciano63]

Fact list for this case:

We don't know where Holly is.

 

[MizStery]

ABC News reported investigators have said they believe Bobo's abductor is from the area.
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Gwyn said Bobo may have been spirited away from the immediate area but investigators believe she is still in the state.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011...-Tenn-woman/UPI-72981303702724/#ixzz1izSMYxlJ

They also said they were one clue away from solving the case and here we are 9 months later.......

Oh great, now we can add lack of clarity in this statement issued by Mark Gwyn to the already incomprehensible gibberish made by everyone associated with this story. Spirited ...maybe :ghost: or :abduction: Are we here at Websleuths the only ones who feels the urgency and desperately want to find Holly? MOO

 

[Hippy Chick]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this is something we have discussed before, but it is certainly worth keeping in mind. I completely agree with the idea that this guy wore camo to play pretend hunter in case somebody approached him. It would also make sense that this man had a firearm on him (also a knife). I also agree that the logging road being behind the property can really change your perspective on this case because a random person would not stumble upon it and then have a plan to walk his victim into the woods towards this logging road. Since CB did not see any vehicles in front of the house when he looked for the meter man possibly being there, one can only assume that the perp had a vehicle out of sight, but in the immediate area(would have to know much more than just the existence of this logging road to hide and then perfectly time the attack). Another idea to keep in mind is if CB was not there that day, and remembering this house is in the middle of nowhere, can we picture a scenario where an abductor walks their victim away casually towards the woods? This had to be a reaction to CB presence and IMO shows the abductor had at least one contingency for leaving the area quickly.
When you really take a hard look at the timeline and then consider how long it would take for an abductor to hurry their victim using this logging trail and regardless of which way they went, how long would it take to even reach this vehicle out of sight? 2,4,6,8 minutes? If CB sees them walk away at 7:55~AM and LE arrives between 8-8:05AM, that is a little less than a ten minute window. This abductor did not have much of a head start to make her disappear without a trace. There was also a quote from the TBI director to the effect of- It was as if she was spirited out of the area.
I also think that HB did not disappear without a trace, as does the TBI since they have said people have info they are not sharing. It's hard to gauge what that means exactly, but I think it is safe to assume the TBI thinks that more than one person knows what happened to HB or who is responsible.

My BIL is an avaid hunter and he does have turkey camo its a little lighter colored and a little diffrent pattern and can I say very expensive.If mystery man was decked head to toe in turkey camo he is probably not a poor boy. I agrr I believe CB would know the diffrence between turkey camo and standard army type camo. I'm sure he had a gun if he had been seen he could say he was turkey hunting. Its someone familiar with the area around the Bobo home, where I live in the woods in Mo. there are tons of little logging roads everywhere but a stranger would'nt know how to find them to get out in a hurry. Some of the roads here dead end so if u went down one of those you would have to back up all the way to get out. It was probably pretty muddy as well if they had all the rain the day or two before so I think some kind of a 4 wheel drive vehicle had to be used or getting stuck would have been a problem. I have been stuck before in such terrain and it almost impossible to get out without 4 wheel drive....those kinds of vehciles are also extremly loud if CB was outside he would have heard it unless it was parked quite a long way away.

 

[cluciano63]

If it was a stranger, so to speak, he must have made his way in there, so he could have planned his escape route. I don't believe it HAS to be a local. Not saying this time it isn't, but there are plenty of traveling serial killers who have made themselves familiar with a location in advance of their crime.

 

[nosyone]

I have read on the web several times last week and this week that the Holly Bobo case is different from any other. I am absolutely certain that this is true, but can't put my finger on exactly why. I know for myself, I have been more interested in this one case than any other that I have ever followed.

 

[cluciano63]

I have read on the web several times last week and this week that the Holly Bobo case is different from any other. I am absolutely certain that this is true, but can't put my finger on exactly why. I know for myself, I have been more interested in this one case than any other that I have ever followed.

The main way it is different to me is that there was an actual adult witness who did not realize he was witnessing anything "bad", appparently, until it was too late, despite being told that he was. And then of course, the convoluted versions of that 20 or so minutes we've read about ever since. JMO

 

[~n/t~]

FWIW.....after looking at the NamUS database posted for 2 other cases I'm following, I searched for Holly.

I thought it was amazing that her profile was added 2 days after she went missing compared to weeks and months for others to be added.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10305/0/

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I have read on the web several times last week and this week that the Holly Bobo case is different from any other. I am absolutely certain that this is true, but can't put my finger on exactly why. I know for myself, I have been more interested in this one case than any other that I have ever followed.

There are a few notable differences. As someone else pointed out, a witnessed abduction is rare. And an abduction in broad daylight, from the victim's home. Also a majority of crimes against women are at the hands of their spouse/partner and that does not seem to be the case here. Its odd in Holly's abduction that a neighbor called 911 yet the witness did not seem to think anything serious was happening. You would expect the person watching the events unfold in his own house and yard with his own sister to have done more (done anything actually).

 

[nosyone]

There are a few notable differences. As someone else pointed out, a witnessed abduction is rare. And an abduction in broad daylight, from the victim's home. Also a majority of crimes against women are at the hands of their spouse/partner and that does not seem to be the case here. Its odd in Holly's abduction that a neighbor called 911 yet the witness did not seem to think anything serious was happening. You would expect the person watching the events unfold in his own house and yard with his own sister to have done more (done anything actually).

CB certainly did seem perfectly sure that it was Drew.

 

[OldSteve]

FWIW.....after looking at the NamUS database posted for 2 other cases I'm following, I searched for Holly.

I thought it was amazing that her profile was added 2 days after she went missing compared to weeks and months for others to be added.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10305/0/

One of the things I always found interesting about this case was just how fast it ramped up in terms of lots of people arriving to search, multiple gov. agencies becoming involved, and how large and fast a reward was posted by the state's governor.

I thought of three things about this - the family might be connected to LE or a gov. agency, or something previous was going on with a serial abductor in the area, or serious threats had been previous made against the family or Holly.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

One of the things I always found interesting about this case was just how fast it ramped up in terms of lots of people arriving to search, multiple gov. agencies becoming involved, and how large and fast a reward was posted by the state's governor.

I thought of three things about this - the family might be connected to LE or a gov. agency, or something previous was going on with a serial abductor in the area, or serious threats had been previous made against the family or Holly.

Makes you wonder yet in the last 8-9 months zero evidence of that has crept out. I still can not believe that if anyone in the family had any idea of who did this that they would not say something. I just don't get that...

 

[wishuwerehere]

Makes you wonder yet in the last 8-9 months zero evidence of that has crept out. I still can not believe that if anyone in the family had any idea of who did this that they would not say something. I just don't get that...

BBM - Unless they’re protecting a family member. It’s a possibility. I don’t want to believe it, but as a sleuther I can’t ignore it.

jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

If it was a stranger, so to speak, he must have made his way in there, so he could have planned his escape route. I don't believe it HAS to be a local. Not saying this time it isn't, but there are plenty of traveling serial killers who have made themselves familiar with a location in advance of their crime."

Hey Clu,

LOL!!! Is that anything like a "Traveling salesman"??? Sorry, not making light of this situation, that phrase just struck me funny.

There are indeed many serial killers that are well versed in knowing everything there is to know about their victim. Not sure, though, if they would go as far as to buy a camo outfit. Also not sure there are many that would take their victim from their own home in broad daylight. For me it just doesn't have the feel of a serial killer.However in this case Nothing would really surprise me.

 

[nosyone]

I try and look back at early reports of HB's abduction and ran across this statement from KB just a few days after HB was taken.

Karen Bobo chimed in with a message to her little girl: &#8220;Holly, I love you so much. Please try and get back to us.&#8221;

I was thinking that in most abductions, parents and family members try to appeal to the abductor to bring their relative back safe and to not hurt them, I find it unusual to ask the victim to try and get back. Just my opinion.

 

[Lera213]

I try and look back at early reports of HB's abduction and ran across this statement from KB just a few days after HB was taken.

Karen Bobo chimed in with a message to her little girl: &#8220;Holly, I love you so much. Please try and get back to us.&#8221;

I was thinking that in most abductions, parents and family members try to appeal to the abductor to bring their relative back safe and to not hurt them, I find it unusual to ask the victim to try and get back. Just my opinion.

Probably because one of the scenarios told to her or she thought of independently was that HB was taken and put into the sex trafficking biz.