TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[houndstooth]

What did you find confusing about that?

Well, for some reason I have envisioned a heavily wooded property with enough cover for turkeys to roost.

 

[Oriah]

Well, for some reason I have envisioned a heavily wooded property with enough cover for turkeys to roost.

Turkeys roost- but that's why people hunt them in the early morning- and also why they tend to be in areas of crops. Just using this as an example:
http://www.bowhunting.net/ybc/setup.htm

Areas of crops surrounded by wooded areas are popular with turkey hunters.

 

[houndstooth]

Were they bowhunting?
Is there adequate cover for their camo?
In mid-April it is unlikely any crops had come up if tilled and planted.

Let's just say I was surprised it was not a woodlot and instead a planted field.

 

[Oriah]

No idea if they were bowhunting, or hunting using any other method.
I do know that wild turkeys frequently roost in wooded areas that are adjacent to fields, and those are often crop fields. And that hunters often use areas such as described during seasons when animals (turkeys, deer, etc) are both 'in season' and the animals are commonly found in their natural habitat.

As for camo...hmm. No idea. I am not a hunter. It seems lots of hunters use camo while waiting for the animals to stir, which I imagine is why hunting times are set as they are?

 

[wishuwerehere]

If Clint’s story doesn’t make sense, chances are it’s not true. IMO.

I have stated previously that my biggest problem with pointing a finger at Clint is motive. Why would Clint harm his sister, Holly?

Unfortunately, we are not given any info about the family dynamic leading up to the morning of Holly going missing. Also, the flurry of calls between Karen, Drew and Holly right before Holly went missing – I’m not sure I believe the story given re the topic of conversation on those calls.
Hypothetical: Could it be that Holly and Clint were arguing and Holly called her Mom and Drew about Clint’s temper? I have often wondered this. Those calls right before Holly going missing is such a coincidence of timing. IMO.

Also what does LE know and what did they find (and will not share) which caused them to call off searches for Holly many months ago?

jmo

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I disagree. As the only eye witness, what he saw and where is vital to the investigation. Changing or embellishing months later is cause for concern. Yes, perhaps his memory was fuzzy that morning and certain things only came to him later when he had time to realize the seriousness of the crime but to remember how many times the cellphone rang before going into voice mail? 5 times according to CB and also to blow off his reaction or lack thereof as trying to preserve the crime scene? Add to that a timeline that makes absolutely no sense.

IMO, if you take all of what's been released, not just one or two pieces of the puzzle, it is quite concerning. We were told we don't know the truth by Karen. No we don't and it sounds like we probably never will.

No its not that it isnt important BUT its all so blurry and vague that no one can agree on anything so it becomes moot. Inside outside here and there etc. No one detail is carved into stone as a fact (except that Holly is missing). So in the end there is not a lot of weight that can be put on the various wishy washy details.

Still the ORIGINAL description of the crime was a home invasion, which to me implies that somethng happened "in the home" as opposed to out in the yard somewhere... But, again, at this point all of that is largely moot now with no confirmed details after what will soon be a year.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't place much importance on where Holly was as far as garage, carport, whether it is attached or not, etc...LE must know that much (I hope) and in any event, Clint did not do anything while she was near enough for him to hear voices, so I can't see that it matters, except that he was so convinced it was Clint he was "seeing." Even Clint can't make the garage attached if it isn't, or vice versa...

I still think he is simply the world's worst witness in a rare "witnessed" abduction (I hesitate to even call him a witness, since he is so difficult to comprehend, JMO). I think he only went outside with a gun because his mother told him to, but still he thought he was seeing Holly and BF walking off toward the woods. Why, with his mother so frantic, he did not follow her and put her on the phone to Mom, is a mystery, along with just about everything else he did or didn't do that morning. JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I agree with you, n/t. It is technically a carport attached to the house, and he calls it a garage. What USED to be a garage is now enclosed in the house. Pretty simple, IMO.

Unless they have two carports (they don't), the carport is NOT attached to the house. There are pictures of the property on older threads.

The carport is behind and off to one side of the house.

 

[houndstooth]

Unless they have two carports (they don't), the carport is NOT attached to the house. There are pictures of the property on older threads.

The carport is behind and off to one side of the house.

What I see is a covered "patio" that seems open on the poolside and connected to an open patio area around the pool.
The attached carport is on the other side of this covered patio area.
It is roofed in also.
What you can't tell from available pictures, is the "back door" opening onto
this covered patio area or onto the carport?
Is the carport enclosed by a wall/partial wall between the roof-in outdoor patio.
You can distinguish which is which because the roofline changes from a shed style roof over the patio to a gable roof over the carport perpendicular to the rest of the house, and identical to the style roof that covered the former garage extension in the front.

I hope I explained this clearly. Not that it helps much.
The separate building is called, "the shed". As far as I can tell, this is the
building that required some moving around of items in order to pull Clint's vehicle into the night before.

However, in a research of the weather via wunderground monthly weather history for that day, it did not seem to warrant this as the really bad weather was the following week. So maybe they "thought" it was going to be bad
and took these precautions.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Another thing that bothers me is how the description of the man leading HB to the woods was put out to the public. How can one tell in feet, inches and pounds how tall and/or heavy a person is from a fairly long distance away? I couldn't begin to guess especially if someone is wearing bulky clothing.

If standing next a petite Holly (5'3", 110lbs.) almost anyone would look bigger. It's so vague to say that the man was 5'8" to 6' tall and weighed about 200 lbs. That's either a fattish shorter guy or a tallish slightly overweight, depending on his build, taller guy. It describes two different body types. The description means nothing.

We've seen many pictures of Drew and Holly together (more than I have with my husband of almost 25 years!). Drew looks tall compared to Holly but she's only 5'3" so what does that make him, maybe 5'9 or 10"? Standing next to me at 5'7" that would be a shorter guy. Also Drew doesn't look to have any fat on his frame so 200 lbs. he is not.

A much more helpful description would be that the guy towered over Holly or didn't tower over Holly or that Holly came up to his shoulder or the guy looked huge compared to Holly because that's how one would see it as two people walked away from you in the distance. So trying to give specific height/weight is useless imo.

If CB really saw a guy who he thinks weighed 200 lbs. then I would NOT think it was Drew. There's no way LE could pinpoint anybody in particular going by Drew's description, not to mention at 6', 200 lbs. he would look like a big guy standing next to Holly. I would think, it should have registered in CB's mind that the man wasn't Drew before he called his mother. :waitasec:

 

[houndstooth]

Just as a poster opinion only, I wonder if anyone could tell me whether you
personally think this case received more attention than other cases or less
than other cases or about the same as other missing cases?

How much does the fact that it was a rare observed "abduction" case color
your opinion?



Edit to add:

Do you think that there being a relative in entertainment helped to bring more attention
or had no impact on the amount of media attention this case received?

Thanks.

 

[MizStery]

Just as a poster opinion only, I wonder if anyone could tell me whether you
personally think this case received more attention than other cases or less
than other cases or about the same as other missing cases?

How much does the fact that it was a rare observed "abduction" case color
your opinion?
Edit to add:

Do you think that there being a relative in entertainment helped to bring more attention
or had no impact on the amount of media attention this case received?

Thanks.

Most important to me and I am sure everyone posting to this thread is to bring Holly home.
Now,as to your question...I am in Seattle & on a daily basis view CNN & Fox News. It was one of those websites whose link I followed to read Holly's story.*Now,what caught my attention initially was the confusion as to whether
*Holly was seen by her brother *being dragged or just accompanying her
kidnapper to the woods next to her home.

Three things struck me as odd ...first why didn't her brother immediately pursue them to check on her welfare, second it was odd her brother didn't mention observing either Holly signaling or showing some type of distress *and the third was the abductor *was wearing full camouflage. I was not aware her cousin was a celebrity. I believe the media attention on Holly Bobo is due to the mystery of her abduction like Jon Benet Ramsey. MOO

Thanks Mr. Noatac for your comment on the legislation. :seeya:

 

[Darcyline]

I don't really put much stock in the weight guess just because people in general are horrible at guessing weights. It always felt like Clint's numbers were more like average guesses for an average body type that didn't seem terribly fat or thin or noticeably tall or short.

 

[~n/t~]

Just as a poster opinion only, I wonder if anyone could tell me whether you
personally think this case received more attention than other cases or less
than other cases or about the same as other missing cases?

How much does the fact that it was a rare observed "abduction" case color
your opinion?



Edit to add:

Do you think that there being a relative in entertainment helped to bring more attention
or had no impact on the amount of media attention this case received?

Thanks.

I don't think it got more attention. Just like any other missing person case, it was very hot at the beginning but as soon as searches were called off, it sort of died down until the Bobos decided to do the trucking campaign. That initiated some spark but not enough to get it to where it was at the very beginning.

Her cousin being in entertainment had no bearing, imo. I didn't know who she was then and to this day, haven't listened to one of her songs. Perhaps it's because I'm not much of a country music fan nor a Survivor fan. It may have made a difference to others. IDK

I wish she would've been more involved in the search for Holly but I honestly haven't seen anything that really grabbed my attention or anything that I thought was so great for Holly considering they were allegedly very close.

My opinion only.

Why are some of us still here? Because this is such a mystery and of course, we all want to know what really happened to Holly Bobo. How can someone disappear without a trace in a small town ? 10 minutes from when her brother saw her and the police arrived at the scene. Gone.

 

[houndstooth]

Most important to me and I am sure everyone posting to this thread is to bring Holly home.
Now,as to your question...I am in Seattle & on a daily basis view CNN & Fox News. It was one of those websites whose link I followed to read Holly's story.*Now,what caught my attention initially was the confusion as to whether
*Holly was seen by her brother *being dragged or just accompanying her
kidnapper to the woods next to her home.

Three things struck me as odd ...first why didn't her brother immediately pursue them to check on her welfare, second it was odd her brother didn't mention observing either Holly signaling or showing some type of distress *and the third was the abductor *was wearing full camouflage. I was not aware her cousin was a celebrity. I believe the media attention on Holly Bobo is due to the mystery of her abduction like Jon Benet Ramsey. MOO

Thanks Mr. Noatac for your comment on the legislation. :seeya:

I will put you down in my mind as thinking maybe MORE attention in the media?
Due to the mystery surrounding it based on circumstances and brother witnessing?

And you also had never heard of WD prior if I am reading your response correctly?

Thanks MizStery.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Here's a case archive:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Holly%20Bobo%20%20-TN-/

 

[~n/t~]

No its not that it isnt important BUT its all so blurry and vague that no one can agree on anything so it becomes moot. Inside outside here and there etc. No one detail is carved into stone as a fact (except that Holly is missing). So in the end there is not a lot of weight that can be put on the various wishy washy details.

Still the ORIGINAL description of the crime was a home invasion, which to me implies that somethng happened "in the home" as opposed to out in the yard somewhere... But, again, at this point all of that is largely moot now with no confirmed details after what will soon be a year.

Right. Home invasion. No home invasion. Dragged. Not dragged. Garage. No carport. Carport. No garage. Drew. Not Drew.

etc etc etc

 

[houndstooth]

I don't think it got more attention. Just like any other missing person case, it was very hot at the beginning but as soon as searches were called off, it sort of died down until the Bobos decided to do the trucking campaign. That initiated some spark but not enough to get it to where it was at the very beginning.

Her cousin being in entertainment had no bearing, imo. I didn't know who she was then and to this day, haven't listened to one of her songs. Perhaps it's because I'm not much of a country music fan nor a Survivor fan. It may have made a difference to others. IDK

I wish she would've been more involved in the search for Holly but I honestly haven't seen anything that really grabbed my attention or anything that I thought was so great for Holly considering they were allegedly very close.

My opinion only.

Why are some of us still here? Because this is such a mystery and of course, we all want to know what really happened to Holly Bobo. How can someone disappear without a trace in a small town ? 10 minutes from when her brother saw her and the police arrived at the scene. Gone.

No more attention than say, Shelley Mook or Lauren Spierer or any others?
The reason I ask is I've noted that one person will say this case hasn't had enough media attention and the next will remark that she got more than others. So I was trying to see what posters thought and if so why?

I had never seen or heard of her cousin either before this case and don't watch Survivor either. So I know where you are coming from.
I was surprised to read in an interview that she said she searched for 5 days.
I only note it because she did receive notice of being on the show the same morning Holly disappeared.

I don't remember reading anything about her being part of the searches, though. It seemed to me that family members were discouraged for obvious reasons. I don't know about her other cousin, NB, if she did or did not take part.

Thanks.

 

[cluciano63]

Did Shelley Mook even have national media? I don't count NG or JVM, really, as "media"; I think Holly's case was covered on some of the major networks at times, as was Lauren's. I don't know if Katelyn's was. Phylicia Barnes had some national media (and still no one arrested, though she was eventually found.) I think Holly's case was unusual because of the original "facts" of the case, nothing to do with her cousin, who I also had never heard of and still would not have heard of, if not for following this case so closely. But it seems that there has to be something of interest to gain national attention, as in Holly's case, the idea that she was taken from her own yard in the morning and there was a witness of sorts. Many, many cases do not reach much of an audience at all, so I would say she has had more than average media coverege, IMO.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Just as a poster opinion only, I wonder if anyone could tell me whether you
personally think this case received more attention than other cases or less
than other cases or about the same as other missing cases?

How much does the fact that it was a rare observed "abduction" case color
your opinion?



Edit to add:

Do you think that there being a relative in entertainment helped to bring more attention
or had no impact on the amount of media attention this case received?

Thanks.

The notion that Holly’s brother “witnessed her being abducted” is what garnered this case more national attention than other missing person cases. IMO. It made people say, “What? You don’t believe the brother’s story do you?” So, I set out to sleuth. I have tried on every pair of pants in the store. There’s only one pair that fits.

Never heard of WD before this case. Nor do I think she brought more attention to Holly's case. Afterall, she "doesn't want to know what happened."

jmo