TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #32

[Carla Lashelle]

This is another good old picture. The two figures behind the house are roughly in the area where Clint said he saw Holly and the stranger. Her car would have been parked directly to the left of the pool under that peaked cover. Ignore the two stalled shed away from the house. That does not seem to have any importance to the events.

 

[ThoughtFox]

That logging road near by. On a work day I assume that area would have been busy with traffic hauling things. I assume it was an active site back then and not shut down. Was there schedule work to be done on that Wednesday. Just curious.

THE ABOVE ALL MOO AND SPECULATION ON MY PART. NOTHING POSTED AS BEING FACT UNLESS OTHERWISE KNOWN TO BE.​

Logging roads in Tennessee are usually quite deserted and not heavily traveled. They build roads, log it out in a few days, then abandon them, so just because it's called a "logging road" doesn't mean that it is still in use. Usually the only people who use logging roads are hikers, hunters or off-road riders.

 

[Chili Fries]

But in the past Clint said he did NOT look out a window to see them in the garage and in this AMW show there is a shot of him opening the door and you can see the cars right there. It's an out of sequence shot too from what I remember. They or the narrator may have even been talking about something else but Clint opens the door. IIRC it is AFTER the outdoor scene where they said they found blood by the cars and showed the cars from behind.

I just watched the entire AMW section on Holly again and there's not video of Clint opening the door. There's a quick shot of the garage from the back door area and you can see that there appears to be no door on that opening where the garage meets the house and no window in the garage to the house.

In the CNN interview where he talks about seeing the silhouettes, he says he saw them from inside the house so it does sound like he saw them out the window, which it seems had to be either the window on the back door or the window over where the middle of the pool is.

 

[Chili Fries]

Here's what I'm talking about, Carla. Here's the view from the back door area into the garage:

And here's the interview again where he said he saw the silhouettes from the house:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Yes I know what he said in the interview. I'm still pretty sure there is a shot in the maw show from in the house looking out the door.

 

[kimmie0313]

I'be heard lots of talk about the brother,mother,& neighbor that morning. What can anyone tell me about the Father? Was he working? When did he leave the house? When was he contacted about Holly? When did he come home? What were his phone calls that morning? Thanks!!

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I will ask you since you have been here since the beginning.
The camouflage clothing the brother mentioned.
Did he say it was a hunters outfit or a military outfit?
Could he tell the difference?

I remember it being described as camo, but I have to say that it didn't seem out of place to him in turkey season....so I would think it would be more of a hunting variety.

 

[wfgodot]

I looked at quite a few old articles but couldn't find what specific kind of camo it was. I think for awhile we on here just assumed that, as it was turkey season, it was turkey camo. Not necessarily the case.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Here's what I'm talking about, Carla. Here's the view from the back door area into the garage:

And here's the interview again where he said he saw the silhouettes from the house:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html

Do you know how this structure is oriented on the property? Like, if you stuck your head out of that doorway and looked out along the length of that truck, and past it, what would you see?

 

[shefner]

There is so much we just can't figure out guys....so much. Why did Clint see Holly and the person he assumed was her boyfriend kneeling in the garage area and not step out? Why did Clint call his mom at her work to say, "Who is in the garage?" Why not just step out and see? Clint witnessed this entire event unfold over a series of minutes (not seconds)....about 15 minutes or so. That is an eternity in a kidnapping scenario. That type of kidnapping simply does not occur. If you are kidnapping someone, you get them and go. I am not saying that I don't believe Holly was kidnapped. I think she was...I think she was....sort of. Maybe it didn't start out as a kidnapping plot. I think this perp was someone she knew. Perhaps a "friend" that was really a foe. There was some type of confrontation. Things evolved. Just can't say for sure....BUT this was not a typical kidnap by a pro.

The "cousin" has appeared out of thin air. In 365+ days of reading daily about this case, we haven't heard one snippet about Clint thinking the man was their cousin. There is more precedence for the perp to be Mr. Tom E. Turkey than a cousin. Someone needs to devote a full hour to this crime. Perhaps an episode of Disappeared could give us an appropriate timeline and a glimpse into the actual crime scene.

I really, really, really wanna have the 911 calls. Yes, I know, they are not "required" to give them...blah, blah. There is a reason we have not heard them. I want them.

 

[Chili Fries]

Do you know how this structure is oriented on the property? Like, if you stuck your head out of that doorway and looked out along the length of that truck, and past it, what would you see?

I've added that to the pic Carla posted. The white arrow shows you the direction you'd look out the garage. The white circle shows the area where the picture in the post you quoted was taken.

And here's a pic of the garage opening to the driveway.

 

[houndstooth]

Logging roads in Tennessee are usually quite deserted and not heavily traveled. They build roads, log it out in a few days, then abandon them, so just because it's called a "logging road" doesn't mean that it is still in use. Usually the only people who use logging roads are hikers, hunters or off-road riders.

That's not what I would even call a logging road.
It starts at a culvert gated driveway just past the Bobo's on Swan Johnson and runs parallel with their house then, it veers South around the adjacent pond, and then ends at a driveway onto Swan Johnson between the neighbors and the Bobos.

This land belongs or did belong to a relative of the Bobo's and may have been an access to the property as a prospective homesite.

It's not like it winds into the woods for miles.

 

[~n/t~]

There is so much we just can't figure out guys....so much. Why did Clint see Holly and the person he assumed was her boyfriend kneeling in the garage area and not step out? Why did Clint call his mom at her work to say, "Who is in the garage?" Why not just step out and see? Clint witnessed this entire event unfold over a series of minutes (not seconds)....about 15 minutes or so. That is an eternity in a kidnapping scenario. That type of kidnapping simply does not occur. If you are kidnapping someone, you get them and go. I am not saying that I don't believe Holly was kidnapped. I think she was...I think she was....sort of. Maybe it didn't start out as a kidnapping plot. I think this perp was someone she knew. Perhaps a "friend" that was really a foe. There was some type of confrontation. Things evolved. Just can't say for sure....BUT this was not a typical kidnap by a pro.

The "cousin" has appeared out of thin air. In 365+ days of reading daily about this case, we haven't heard one snippet about Clint thinking the man was their cousin. There is more precedence for the perp to be Mr. Tom E. Turkey than a cousin. Someone needs to devote a full hour to this crime. Perhaps an episode of Disappeared could give us an appropriate timeline and a glimpse into the actual crime scene.

I really, really, really wanna have the 911 calls. Yes, I know, they are not "required" to give them...blah, blah. There is a reason we have not heard them. I want them.

The "cousin" revelation has me very curious now.

 

[wfgodot]

I really, really, really wanna have the 911 calls. Yes, I know, they are not "required" to give them...blah, blah. There is a reason we have not heard them. I want them.

(Nodding head vigorously.)

Full agreement.

 

[cluciano63]

The "cousin" revelation has me very curious now.

I think it was John Walsh just making an assumption, as far as I know he just said that the reason Clint was not concerned is because he thought it was a "cousin or her boyfriend"...no way of knowing where he got that, if Clint told him that or what...JMO

 

[wfgodot]

If Walsh's production team let the "cousin" thing go on the air without fact-checking it for accuracy in terms of their having been told that by a family member, they'd open themselves up to a lawsuit from Holly's male cousins. I don't think the info came out of thin air.

 

[Whisperer]

LE arriving within a few minutes of an abduction and can't solve it? GMAB! They know who did it and are making this case go away. I think most of us can figure this out. This isn't our first rodeo.

Full turkey camo....well there you go. Who was turkey hunting that day?

:turkey:

 

[Whisperer]

It's assumed it was hunter's camo because it was turkey hunting season.

IIRC Clint said it was turkey hunting camo. He knows his camo. He should also know who wears it and who owns it.

 

[~n/t~]

I think it was John Walsh just making an assumption, as far as I know he just said that the reason Clint was not concerned is because he thought it was a "cousin or her boyfriend"...no way of knowing where he got that, if Clint told him that or what...JMO

Why would JW assume a cousin, if it didn't come from a family member? We've heard the bf theory but never a cousin as far as I know. The only cousin that was ever brought up was the female country music singer but not connected to Holly's disappearance.

IMO, to specifically say "cousin" he would have to have some sort of information from Clint or Holly's parents. It makes no sense that he would just throw that out there, imo. Was a cousin expected to go by that morning? This opens up a whole new investigation, if true. If they were expecting a family member (as an example) to go by that morning and Holly was aware, perhaps the perp is connected to this family member and Holly trusted them and went along? The perp could've used that excuse to lure Holly. KWIM? Is that why Clint called his mom? To confirm the time the "cousin" was supposed to be there? Was that the flurry of phone calls that morning?

JMO

 

[~n/t~]

I know we've said it before but it seems obvious the whole story is not being told here and for the life of me, can't understand why. Who is being protected and why? Where is Holly?