TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #32

[deca]

I find it possible that, even in a small town or perhaps especially in a small town, Holly could fall into possession of knowledge of something about which one might rather not know, and that that knowledge ultimately led to the kidnapping in a "she knows too much" type of way. In small towns where everyone knows one another, it's easy to overhear certain things.

That would explain the 20 min discussion or argument in the garage/carport nicely. Especially if the perp started blaming her, i.e. "Did you tell x. I know you told him..."
But what secret would be worth killing about? Did perp plan this, or was it a heated argument gone wrong? Since he hid his car, I have to assume this was planned.

 

[wfgodot]

That would explain the 20 min discussion or argument in the garage/carport nicely. Especially if the perp started blaming her, i.e. "Did you tell x. I know you told him..."
But what secret would be worth killing about? Did perp plan this, or was it a heated argument gone wrong? Since he hid his car, I have to assume this was planned.

What secret? Who can say. But there are those among us who would eliminate others among us who might, say, know enough about something to send someone to prison.

 

[~n/t~]

Someone's post (sorry I don't recall who it was) made me realize how much we DON'T know about Holly.

What did she do for fun? What was her favourite hang out? Did she have a part time job? Did she go to bars? Did she have a favourite restaurant? Did she ever go out of town? etc etc

I'm sure she did other things besides hang out with her brother and her bf 4 wheeling on weekends, studying and attending church on Sundays.

We don't know the other side of Holly. I'm guessing at 20 years old, she did like having fun. Right?

 

[wfgodot]

Someone's post (sorry I don't recall who it was) made me realize how much we DON'T know about Holly.

What did she do for fun? What was her favourite hang out? Did she have a part time job? Did she go to bars? Did she have a favourite restaurant? Did she ever go out of town? etc etc

I'm sure she did other things besides hang out with her brother and her bf 4 wheeling on weekends, studying and attending church on Sundays.

We don't know the other side of Holly. I'm guessing at 20 years old, she did like having fun. Right?

Here's the way I put it, back yonder a bit:

t's a pity that, in this case, we really never have met the real Holly - we've just been given a few platitudes and commonplaces about her. We never really have known the young woman, just the media image. It's almost as if she's been deliberately de-personalized; wrapped in plastic.

It is absolutely eerie that a year later we don't know anything much beyond what you've posted above: church, singing at church, tomboy who liked to four-wheel and hunt, nursing student, pretty, had a steady boyfriend.

That's so little to go by when one is trying to imagine just what happened here.

 

[Chili Fries]

I’m not speaking of a complete town conspiracy.

I’m talking about multiple “church families” in a community and how that type of environment can possibly, and inadvertently, foster secrecy amongst groups. Someone could possibly be covering for the perp in this case and not even realize it. After all, “so-and-so is a good Christian and goes to church. He would never have anything to do with it.” I have been wondering for some time now if the small town church community is hindering the investigation inadvertently in a way that people may not even be aware?

Mentality, not conspiracy.

JMO

I understand what you're saying but the flipside to it is that people in small towns know what's going on with each other, I hear the stories all the time where I live. If something like you are talking about is going on then I'm sure authorities have heard about suspicions. There may be a lot of people in small towns who have the attitude that the good Christian or kid from the good family wouldn't do something, but there are also folks who mistrust the so-called good Christians and silver spoons and would gladly dish the dirt to authorities.

I wouldn't be surprised if the small-town rumor mill has hindered the investigation, with authorities getting inundated with tips based on rumors early in the case. And obviously these days the web contributes to the noise, in other cases we've seen LE express their frustration at internet rumors. This case has the internet and the small town dynamic. I imagine there is a lot of trash LE that has had to sort through to find anything of substance.

 

[TxLady2]

I’m not speaking of a complete town conspiracy.

I’m talking about multiple “church families” in a community and how that type of environment can possibly, and inadvertently, foster secrecy amongst groups. Someone could possibly be covering for the perp in this case and not even realize it. After all, “so-and-so is a good Christian and goes to church. He would never have anything to do with it.” I have been wondering for some time now if the small town church community is hindering the investigation inadvertently in a way that people may not even be aware?

Mentality, not conspiracy.

JMO

Interesting theory. Not sure what LE could do about it, if people are not even aware someone is suspicious. And how exactly is it a secrecy if they aren't even aware they know something? In order to cover for someone you have to have knowledge of what they're covering up. The BTK killer was prominent in his church, yet he had gone around killing people for years and none of them ever suspected him.... not even his own wife.
The point is, it's not hindering the investigation if people just simply don't have a clue. This perp could be walking among them, could be sleeping beside them and they not be even remotely suspicious of them. In every case, there is someone who knows the perp or had some contact with him at one point and who is left shaking their heads, wondering how it happened and why they didn't know.
I do agree that with the facts we know, it was not a total stranger, but that doesn't mean it was someone who Holly knew well. Could have been someone she knew OF, but was not a friend or anyone she normally associated with.

 

[wishuwerehere]

Interesting theory. Not sure what LE could do about it, if people are not even aware someone is suspicious. And how exactly is it a secrecy if they aren't even aware they know something? In order to cover for someone you have to have knowledge of what they're covering up. The BTK killer was prominent in his church, yet he had gone around killing people for years and none of them ever suspected him.... not even his own wife.
The point is, it's not hindering the investigation if people just simply don't have a clue. This perp could be walking among them, could be sleeping beside them and they not be even remotely suspicious of them. In every case, there is someone who knows the perp or had some contact with him at one point and who is left shaking their heads, wondering how it happened and why they didn't know.
I do agree that with the facts we know, it was not a total stranger, but that doesn't mean it was someone who Holly knew well. Could have been someone she knew OF, but was not a friend or anyone she normally associated with.

BBM - My point was that there may be a mentality afoot causing LE and others to not look at someone closer (to be suspicious of) because of certain associations and ties to the church community.

Jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am afraid I must disagree on this issue. A tight knit community has many quirks. And people cover for their own all the time. If the cops know the parents, then their kids can get stopped with crack on them and never face arrest. People will defend their own over anything, large or small. Teachers in small communities face this quite often. If they contact the parents over an infraction, the parents go off the deep end defending their child.

Example: In our tight knit community, we have numerous public and church preschools. In one particular preschool, the teacher of the 4 year old class would hand out suckers to students that had followed rules and listened during the 4 hour class time. She gave the suckers to the students as their parents picked them up at the door. This teacher has almost 40 years of teaching experience, so she has found the suckers are a big motivator for young ones. One parent was outraged that his child did not get a sucker. The child had been having lots of behavior problems in preschool, but the parents refused to discipline him. The father pitched such a fit that he even called the supervisor to complain. He insisted that the other children not be given suckers. The supervisor said this was the teacher's method of positive reinforcement and was allowed. The father was so irate, he began to bring his own big suckers to school and give them to the boy in front of the teacher and other children. Isn't that nuts? Do you think the preschooler improved his behavior?

This is one example among many! Yes, some families will stick their necks out to protect their kids from severe consequences and to shield their family name. Most young people who have been brought up knowing this have a powerful sense of entitlement. They feel they can get away.....with murder.

About the suckers being given to four year olds for being 'good'.
I don't know if a four year old should be made to feel 'bad' on a regular basis by a teacher.
Maybe the kid has adhd, dyslexia or other problems - just being an antsy young boy makes it hard for some of them to sit still.
Give the boy something constructive to do like clean the erasers or let him move around somehow but don't withhold his sucker.

Old methods aren't always the best methods. :twocents:

I'm lost. Did I miss something? What 4 year old? :waitasec:

???I'm lost too!

Sorry, I responded to the first post above. It's not really relevent to the case but I responded because I'm unable to bite my tongue. :maddening::blushing:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Wow, still nothing. What about the great lead JW tweeted about - nothing.

Far out thought - could Holly's last phone call with her friend have anything to do with her disappearance? What I mean is, was the 'friend' feeding info to somebody else, a man, who was waiting in the wings for Holly to leave the house? Did someone in this small town theater want Holly gone for some reason? What is known about the friend and who is she related too?

This angle came to me, out of the blue, when I read the last 8 or 9 pages in succession.

 

[clarabelle]

Now i do not want to jump to conclusions lol but who would this cousin be and why wasnt he or she mentioned a year ago?

[BBM] That is a VERY interesting question...he or she. Were they really wearing camouflage or is that just the most nondescript description possible?

I believe at the beginning of this case a few locals were posting on various sites but they all seemed to disappear after the first month.

 

[Limaes]

I understand what you're saying but the flipside to it is that people in small towns know what's going on with each other, I hear the stories all the time where I live. If something like you are talking about is going on then I'm sure authorities have heard about suspicions. There may be a lot of people in small towns who have the attitude that the good Christian or kid from the good family wouldn't do something, but there are also folks who mistrust the so-called good Christians and silver spoons and would gladly dish the dirt to authorities.

I wouldn't be surprised if the small-town rumor mill has hindered the investigation, with authorities getting inundated with tips based on rumors early in the case. And obviously these days the web contributes to the noise, in other cases we've seen LE express their frustration at internet rumors. This case has the internet and the small town dynamic. I imagine there is a lot of trash LE that has had to sort through to find anything of substance.

Sounds like rumours have been running wild throughout this case. But, perhaps LE keeping things so close to their vest and the public getting little to no info from them, also fuels rumours.

I understand them not giving out vital info, even if they publically dispelled some rumours would be something. If the Bobos are innocent of any wrong doing, then LE owe it to them to publically say so.

 

[Limaes]

Wow, still nothing. What about the great lead JW tweeted about - nothing.

Far out thought - could Holly's last phone call with her friend have anything to do with her disappearance? What I mean is, was the 'friend' feeding info to somebody else, a man, who was waiting in the wings for Holly to leave the house? Did someone in this small town theater want Holly gone for some reason? What is known about the friend and who is she related too?

This angle came to me, out of the blue, when I read the last 8 or 9 pages in succession.

That is a very interesting thought. It sounds plausible!

 

[~n/t~]

I understand what you're saying but the flipside to it is that people in small towns know what's going on with each other, I hear the stories all the time where I live. If something like you are talking about is going on then I'm sure authorities have heard about suspicions. There may be a lot of people in small towns who have the attitude that the good Christian or kid from the good family wouldn't do something, but there are also folks who mistrust the so-called good Christians and silver spoons and would gladly dish the dirt to authorities.

I wouldn't be surprised if the small-town rumor mill has hindered the investigation, with authorities getting inundated with tips based on rumors early in the case. And obviously these days the web contributes to the noise, in other cases we've seen LE express their frustration at internet rumors. This case has the internet and the small town dynamic. I imagine there is a lot of trash LE that has had to sort through to find anything of substance.

Perhaps after a year LE should pull out all those crumpled papers in the trash and take a second look?

 

[houndstooth]

1. Where was Clint's car parked?
2. Why didn't any person in this case think to call Dana?

Why didn't Clint hop in his car and try to cut the guy off at the highway? He had to be going North or South on that road....and from the looks of it, I would guess North. That would be where I would go.

Clint said they walked into the woods...those wood have a logging path. Both ends of the path lead out to the HWY where the house is.

Clint's vehicle was parked inside the OTHER garage he refers to I believe as the shed. Something about clearing out enough space to pull it in and close the doors. Why? Because of a storm, supposedly.
A check to wunderground history does not bear this out.

But, let's see what telling this story does for the events.
It can make it seem plausible that the "perp" didn't know Clint was there, because they wouldn't have seen his vehicle.
Only Holly's.

I don't know why Clint called Mom instead of Dad to discuss possible intruders or whatever it was that Clint wants to paint a picture of his
not knowing who was in the carportarage, not to be confused with the
shedarage across the way.

As far as I know, I am the only person here who has believed for a long time, based on statements and actions and INactions, that this was not an abduction.

Dana seems to have been a reluctant player in all this from the beginning.
The last I heard from him before the anniversary, he was saying that
he was certain she is alive.
I think she is also. And the family has always known she is alive.
I would love to yank open those shedarage doors to see if Holly's car is there.



LE is known to say things to be misleading in an investigation.
They came right out and said, this is not a hoax.
Why?
What made them say that?

It WAS right after the announcement that the evidence of Holly's stuff appeared to be planted that
formal searches ceased, as did formal news conferences from the TBI concerning progress in the case.

 

[Mysterylover]

1. Where was Clint's car parked?
2. Why didn't any person in this case think to call Dana?

Why didn't Clint hop in his car and try to cut the guy off at the highway?

He had to be going North or South on that road....and from the looks of it, I would guess North. That would be where I would go.

Clint said they walked into the woods...those wood have a logging path.

Both ends of the path lead out to the HWY where the house is.

Whisperer, Excellent questions.
Was Clint's car in the garage with the doors closed?
WHY didn't Clint call Dana first.
Why didn't anyone call Holly?
Dana's job is one that's flexible and is able to leave more quickly, than a school teachers job...imo....
IF someone was in the carport, seems the man of the family would know More about who they are and why they are at the house and know more how to handle a problem on the property.

Why call Mom first? It Had to be a 'reason", imo.
Does Mom run 'defense' and Dad doesn't?

IF the story is true, they definitely went down that logging road.
A person can be seen a long way down that logging road/path, as with any flat road.
Remember Holly was 'supposedly' wearing flip flops and a Pink t-shirt.
IMO they did not go in the woods, especially if the dogs couldn't walk through the brush, Holly couldn't or wouldn't..
The logging road had to be the course...only we heard the dogs stopped at the edge of the yard...
what did happen to Holly and why all the hush, hush for 3 months and ever changing details?....jmo

 

[cluciano63]

I GUESS Clint called Mom because she would know if Holly was supposed to be "out there" or at school...I just think he was not very concerned and kind of took the course of least resistance, although it must have taken longer to get a hold of his mom than to just call or walk outside...anyway, that is the only reason I can think of that makes ANY sense...

 

[deca]

Wow, still nothing. What about the great lead JW tweeted about - nothing.

Far out thought - could Holly's last phone call with her friend have anything to do with her disappearance? What I mean is, was the 'friend' feeding info to somebody else, a man, who was waiting in the wings for Holly to leave the house? Did someone in this small town theater want Holly gone for some reason? What is known about the friend and who is she related too?

This angle came to me, out of the blue, when I read the last 8 or 9 pages in succession.

That is very interesting thought. Obviously LE looked at the friend- but they probably wouldn't have looked at her phone records to see if she immediately texted/called someone else. But there is a chance said friend would have heard that Clint was there, instead of at college. That would be pretty risky, IMO. UNLESS! The perp was there for Clint, and Holly got in the way.

Perhaps after a year LE should pull out all those crumpled papers in the trash and take a second look?

I love this "crumpled papers in the trash" imagery!
I have no idea how professional investigators/LE work. I can guess. And it seems logical that if after a year of following leads that produce no Holly, and the case starts to lose momentum everyone involved would take a big, deep breath and start from square one. Sometimes I read about cases that get a new lead detective and this happens naturally, "fresh eyes" so to speak.

So right now we have the phone call to the friend lead, what other minor details do you all think deserve a second looking at? We obviously cannot/dont wanna go to the timelines again...:banghead:
I am just curious what other things you all think have been thrown by the wayside.

 

[nosyone]

Wow, still nothing. What about the great lead JW tweeted about - nothing.

Far out thought - could Holly's last phone call with her friend have anything to do with her disappearance? What I mean is, was the 'friend' feeding info to somebody else, a man, who was waiting in the wings for Holly to leave the house? Did someone in this small town theater want Holly gone for some reason? What is known about the friend and who is she related too?

This angle came to me, out of the blue, when I read the last 8 or 9 pages in succession.

The minute I read your post, I recalled reading about the friend getting so upset when Holly was late for class and even approached the teacher about it and was already crying. I remembered how very odd I thought that was. Does anyone else recall that?

 

[wishuwerehere]

Snipped for space:

Clint's vehicle was parked inside the OTHER garage he refers to I believe as the shed. Something about clearing out enough space to pull it in and close the doors. Why? Because of a storm, supposedly.
A check to wunderground history does not bear this out.

But, let's see what telling this story does for the events.
It can make it seem plausible that the "perp" didn't know Clint was there, because they wouldn't have seen his vehicle.
Only Holly's.

Speaking of Clint's vehicle, I have wondered if Clint's car was searched by LE at the the Bobo property the morning Holly went missing. Does anyone know?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Has Holly's boyfriend started dating again, and if so, how soon after her disappearance?

Could Holly have told someone she was pregnant with their child, and threatened to let others know?

Did Holly have a jealous rival in her social circle or at school?

So many possibilities.