TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #35

[~n/t~]

But he found his victims among escorts, didn't he? Not sure what the similarities to Holly's case are.

Not sure why my point is so complicated to understand. All I put forth as a theory was that she may have perhaps stalked by someone who she may have met through some fake talent agency or ad whom she may have trusted by revealing her address and personal info. School, her hours. Craigslist was escorts. Holly other such as modelling, singing

 

[cluciano63]

Not sure why my point is so complicated to understand. All I put forth as a theory was that she may have perhaps stalked by someone who she may have met through some fake talent agency or ad whom she may have trusted by revealing her address and personal info. School, her hours. Craigslist was escorts. Holly other such as modelling, singing

It is possible, but it seems as though "modeling" agencies, legit or not, have no problem luring girls and women to assigned meeting places. And the camo gear/modeling connection throws me. I just can't see it. JMO

 

[~n/t~]

It is possible, but it seems as though "modeling" agencies, legit or not, have no problem luring girls and women to assigned meeting places. And the camo gear/modeling connection throws me. I just can't see it. JMO

Agree it would make more sense if the perp lured her to a location rather than kidnap her at home but then again, following some of the serial killer cases some get very bold and do whatever it takes to hunt their prey (no pun intended). I think we can all agree the perp stalked her and knew exactly where, when and how including the fact that Clint was NOT supposed to be home that morning which may have thwarted his/her plan. He took her.

:twocents:

 

[MissJ]

MOO is that LE (TBI) does have an idea/theory of who took Holly. But there is not enough evidence to take it to court, yet. Sometimes it takes years to develop a case, with little tidbits here and there. If they don't find a body I doubt it will ever be prosecuted

 

[OldSteve]

The new 100,000 reward to me is almost like an attempt to claim the $250,000 reward. Basically if you offer the $100,000 and someone did come forward and confess, wouldn't you be in line to collect the big reward?

Good point! I didn't think of that.
Also, remember soon after the 250K reward was offered in this case, 250K was offered in the Lauren Spierer case - so won't be surprised if a 100K reward to perp(s) in that case gets offered.

 

[Almondjoy]

Every so often, something about this case will start bugging me. I think my subconscious continues to run details over and over trying to make sense of things. I know that every single detail of the case has been hashed and rehashed. One thought I've had involves the perp's transportation to and from Holly's house. Many have speculated that he marched her out of there and that they walked and walked, maybe over 8 miles to where some of her belongings were found! I don't see that as making sense. It was rather cold that morning. Holly was said to have been wearing flipflops. How long could she have endured the cold without a coat (I've never seen a coat mentioned --only shirt, jeans, and flipflops.) Secondly, why didn't the perp take Holly away in her own car? The fact that he did not take her car tells me that he had transportation waiting somewhere out of sight, and he took Holly to that transportation and got her out of there quickly. The fact that blood seems to have been present where Karen's car had been parked that morning lends credibility to the story that whatever happened happened after Karen had moved her car out of the carport and left. Could Holly's abductor have planned to take her in her car, but maybe it did not have enough gas to go to wherever he was intending to go? Did the plan have to be changed at the last moment?

 

[wfgodot]

Do big rewards help solve crimes? (sun-sentinel.com)
No evidence that money is effective

Probably about as effective as tip boxes at county fairs.

 

[shefner]

Holly....i still miss you.

 

[~n/t~]

Every so often, something about this case will start bugging me. I think my subconscious continues to run details over and over trying to make sense of things. I know that every single detail of the case has been hashed and rehashed. One thought I've had involves the perp's transportation to and from Holly's house. Many have speculated that he marched her out of there and that they walked and walked, maybe over 8 miles to where some of her belongings were found! I don't see that as making sense. It was rather cold that morning. Holly was said to have been wearing flipflops. How long could she have endured the cold without a coat (I've never seen a coat mentioned --only shirt, jeans, and flipflops.) Secondly, why didn't the perp take Holly away in her own car? The fact that he did not take her car tells me that he had transportation waiting somewhere out of sight, and he took Holly to that transportation and got her out of there quickly. The fact that blood seems to have been present where Karen's car had been parked that morning lends credibility to the story that whatever happened happened after Karen had moved her car out of the carport and left. Could Holly's abductor have planned to take her in her car, but maybe it did not have enough gas to go to wherever he was intending to go? Did the plan have to be changed at the last moment?

Just to add to your questions. If he did have his own transportation why not drive up to the home? Did he think someone would recognize the vehicle? Was there an accomplice waiting in a vehicle by the logging road? Did hearing Clint thwart his plan so he had no choice but to take her away? If he had a weapon , why didn't he go after Clint as well?

 

[OldSteve]

Just to add to your questions. If he did have his own transportation why not drive up to the home? Did he think someone would recognize the vehicle? Was there an accomplice waiting in a vehicle by the logging road? Did hearing Clint thwart his plan so he had no choice but to take her away? If he had a weapon , why didn't he go after Clint as well?

So many the strange things about this case! Good points ~n/t and Almondjoy!

I wonder if he knew Clint might be home and didn't care for some reason...

Seems so well planed, especially if he figured Holly would mistake him for her BF... would explain his not driving up closer to her home, as his vehicle would be a give away.

I keep wondering about all the time spent in carport with Holly, what was that about...

He had to have some contact or seen her someplace in the weeks and days before the abduction. Seems he set his sights specifically on her.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Just to add to your questions. If he did have his own transportation why not drive up to the home? Did he think someone would recognize the vehicle? Was there an accomplice waiting in a vehicle by the logging road? Did hearing Clint thwart his plan so he had no choice but to take her away? If he had a weapon , why didn't he go after Clint as well?

Driving up to the home would be fairly obvious as the suspect was probably on scene before Holly's mother and dad left for work. They would notice a car parked in their own driveway. You don't want to risk being seen and having your license plate number taken down.

I suppose there could have been an accomplice but how many abductions overall have two suspects compared to one?

I wish I knew exactly what kind of crime this was planned to be. I still assume it was planned as a sexual assault or abduction for the purpose of an assault. The fact that Holly has not been seen or heard from in nearly two years to me indicates the suspect had planned on taking her and disposing of her somehow.

If you went to the home with the intent on assaulting or abducting Holly, even with a weapon it would be risky to take on two people. If the suspect did not know Clint was at home, the suspect also may not know that Clint was alone. Clint also did have weapons or access to weapons. So, the suspect fled the scene...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

So many the strange things about this case! Good points ~n/t and Almondjoy!

I wonder if he knew Clint might be home and didn't care for some reason...

Seems so well planed, especially if he figured Holly would mistake him for her BF... would explain his not driving up closer to her home, as his vehicle would be a give away.

I keep wondering about all the time spent in carport with Holly, what was that about...

He had to have some contact or seen her someplace in the weeks and days before the abduction. Seems he set his sights specifically on her.

I don't think he knew Clint was at home, otherwise he may have left the property much quicker.

I doubt the suspect planned to be mistaken for someone else by the way he dressed. Especially if he did not expect anyone else to be at home. I assume the camo was both to hide in the woods and observe the house, and to cover his actual identiy, not an attempt to look like someone else (who he may not have even known or known about). And you wouldn't want to just park in front of the house in case someone was at home, came home, etc. Also, if for some reason cops were called and arrived at the scene, if the suspect had parked in the drive way he would have been blocked in.

The time in the garage/carport area is puzzling. Since we know Holly and the suspect were in the yard area first I assume that perhaps the suspect was trying to get her back into the house or out of sight. Possibly Clint interrupted a sexual assault? It is just strange.

Since police searched (and found something?) in front of Holly's school, it seems the suspect may have been observing her. To me this implies someone less familiar with Holly who had to follow/watch her at school, etc. to learn, perhaps, where she lived, more of her schedule, etc. If the suspect knew Holly better he would not have to do this, and would have also known who was at home or not, etc.

 

[Xavier]

Do big rewards help solve crimes? (sun-sentinel.com)
No evidence that money is effective

Probably about as effective as tip boxes at county fairs.

In this economy, I would think some small rural folks would love to get their hands on $100,000
and turn in some of these crooks...But they don't have the bravery or courage to do it

 

[wfgodot]

Rewards are Law Enforcement Past; social media is Law Enforcement Future - and present, in some jurisdictions. Enlightened LE is transparent; this case has featured the most opaque brand of law enforcement I can remember seeing. They guard closely whatever facts they have and expect the public not only to solve the jigsaw but to gather the pieces.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Rewards are Law Enforcement Past; social media is Law Enforcement Future - and present, in some jurisdictions. Enlightened LE is transparent; this case has featured the most opaque brand of law enforcement I can remember seeing. They guard closely whatever facts they have and expect the public not only to solve the jigsaw but to gather the pieces.

I'm confused. How have rewards been replaced by social media? They seem like two completely different things.

 

[wfgodot]

I'm confused. How have rewards been replaced by social media? They seem like two completely different things.

None, which was the point of my post, e.g. that rewards have been shown to do little while communication through (and monitoring of) social media may accomplish much. People talk freely all the time. It's a matter of knowing where to listen, and how to encourage and direct the conversation.

I won't go so far as to say that, if they named a suspect, we'd only be able to see his or her photo on the wall at the local post office as in days gone by, but their general approach is rather, um, dated. Releasing at least a transcript of the 911 calls would have gone far to stimulate interest and memory, I think. (Unless within the 911 calls themselves, some unacceptable answer lurked.)

The tip box at the county fair thing just made me sad.

 

[Simply Caustic]

None, which was the point of my post, e.g. that rewards have been shown to do little while communication through (and monitoring of) social media may accomplish much. People talk freely all the time. It's a matter of knowing where to listen, and how to encourage and direct the conversation.

I won't go so far as to say that, if they named a suspect, we'd only be able to see his or her photo on the wall at the local post office as in days gone by, but their general approach is rather, um, dated. Releasing at least a transcript of the 911 calls would have gone far to stimulate interest and memory, I think. (Unless within the 911 calls themselves, some unacceptable answer lurked.)

The tip box at the county fair thing just made me sad.

As always, Godot, excellent post. Social media is, in my humble opinion, akin to chatting up a nameless seatmate on a flight. People speak without qualifying their answers...release information they may otherwise be hesitant to divulge...and, at times, tiny tidbits that hold relevance unbeknownst to themselves.

I hate seeing any case go cold, but this case (along with the missing Jamison family out of OK) is haunting to me...two incredibly different scenarios, yet both so perplexing.
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[~n/t~]

Driving up to the home would be fairly obvious as the suspect was probably on scene before Holly's mother and dad left for work. They would notice a car parked in their own driveway. You don't want to risk being seen and having your license plate number taken down.

I suppose there could have been an accomplice but how many abductions overall have two suspects compared to one?

I wish I knew exactly what kind of crime this was planned to be. I still assume it was planned as a sexual assault or abduction for the purpose of an assault. The fact that Holly has not been seen or heard from in nearly two years to me indicates the suspect had planned on taking her and disposing of her somehow.

If you went to the home with the intent on assaulting or abducting Holly, even with a weapon it would be risky to take on two people. If the suspect did not know Clint was at home, the suspect also may not know that Clint was alone. Clint also did have weapons or access to weapons. So, the suspect fled the scene...

We don't know whether or not he was on scene. The Bobo parents left at about 7, IIRC. Holly exited the home around 7:30 ish. 7:40 is when the neighbour heard the scream. Assuming the perp knew everyones schedules, he would have known the parents left early and may have parked his vehicle by the logging road and/or if he had an accomplice, the accomplice waited in the vehicle whilst the perp walked up to the house.

There have been cases where 2 people or more were involved in home invasions/abductions. Also, if the perp had a weapon, I don't think it would have mattered to him if Clint was home. One shot and he would be dead. Perhaps Holly complied with the perp's demands and that is why Clint is still alive today.:twocents:

 

[Carla Lashelle]

We don't know whether or not he was on scene. The Bobo parents left at about 7, IIRC. Holly exited the home around 7:30 ish. 7:40 is when the neighbour heard the scream. Assuming the perp knew everyones schedules, he would have known the parents left early and may have parked his vehicle by the logging road and/or if he had an accomplice, the accomplice waited in the vehicle whilst the perp walked up to the house.

There have been cases where 2 people or more were involved in home invasions/abductions. Also, if the perp had a weapon, I don't think it would have mattered to him if Clint was home. One shot and he would be dead. Perhaps Holly complied with the perp's demands and that is why Clint is still alive today.:twocents:

Well yeah I have always assumed he parked in the woods close to the house. I have said that from pretty much day one.

I assume the suspect did have some sort of a weapon as indicated by Holly's complaint actions and the blood found. But even having a weapon or gun doesn't mean he wanted to shoot Clint even if he had the chance. If the suspect didn't know Clint was there, how would he know if anyone else was there or not. And then you run the risk of gunfire attracting more attention, etc.

 

[OldSteve]

We are given so little to go on in this case, so we speculate...

Perhaps looking at what we've not been given might be clue - for example, in many cases a composite sketch gets released of a POI that someone has seen lurking around or associated with a victim. Does that mean that everyone seen around her in the weeks/days before the abduction has been accounted for?