TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #36

[~n/t~]

~n/t~, What do you make of Clint going through the garage, after seeing the layout of the place better yesterday on the videos? Wonder what caused him to circle through there, when the shortest line would have been from back door to entrance to the woods?

I first thought there could be a door in the garage directly into the house, but all I saw was a window I had not known existed! I now understand where he saw the silhouettes from, but I don't get the route to the woods.

I think he was convinced it was Drew and perhaps trying not to interfere with whatever he thought may have been going on. Same reason he didn't go out and yell out, hey guys what's up. Only after mom called is when he went to investigate and even then he was convinced it was Drew until neighbour shows up and cops shortly thereafter. Even when he saw the blood, he thought it was turkey blood. In his mind, it was Drew showing Holly a dead turkey.

 

[Almondjoy]

With respect, I don't think people have mixed up anything. We can only go by what has been reported. I appreciate your theory and perhaps you are correct that he first saw them outside his bedroom window but we don't know:

1) Where his bedroom is located
2) If his bedroom has a window
3) If it has a window if it faces the garage/carport so he can get a view of the inside enough to notice two silhouettes kneeling.

Why wouldn't he just come out and say I saw them from my bedroom window and then went to the kitchen to call mom and saw them walking off into the woods? Why not give one story, one timeline instead of bits and pieces and people have to guess?

I think I understand what you are saying. However, there has been a lot made of Clint's statements. I've seen some people say that there was no way Clint could have seen into the garage from where he was. I think what they showed last night can prove his statement true. Read this again:

(From CNN show transcript--)
"VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor."

Note that Clint states he was in his bedroom, and then he saw the two in the garage, but he does not mention moving to another room. IF that is his bedroom, and IF he did see things through this window, the story makes a lot more sense, IMO!

 

[masootz]

i think i answered my own question so bear with me -

this is another angle of the carport. the kitchen door is to the left of the wall next to cb's truck. in this video kb reiterates hb's car was parked where the truck is parked.

this is the entire back of the house. you can see that the area to the left of the carport wall is open. i didn't realize that earlier. the back of the house has one small visible window (likely a bathroom) and likely another window behind the bush on the left (likely cb's bedroom).

you can see from this picture the area on the right is open. it wouldn't be a very good angle, but i think you might be able to see by her car from the bedroom window on the far side of the house if she were in front of the opening of the wall next to her car. at most you would see shadows or outlines but that's what cb says he saw.

 

[masootz]

Note that Clint states he was in his bedroom, and then he saw the two in the garage, but he does not mention moving to another room. IF that is his bedroom, and IF he did see things through this window, the story makes a lot more sense, IMO!

i think his bedroom is behind the bush in the picture in my post above. the window in the carport is a living room, not a bedroom. you can see the room opens to the kitchen at 0:56 in yesterday's video.

red dot is where i think his bedroom is located. blue dot is kitchen door. green dot is where the latest videos indicate holly/perp where when cb initially saw them.

 

[~n/t~]

i think his bedroom is behind the bush in the picture in my post above. the window in the carport is a living room, not a bedroom. you can see the room opens to the kitchen at 0:56 in yesterday's video.

red dot is where i think his bedroom is located. blue dot is kitchen door. green dot is where the latest videos indicate holly/perp where when cb initially saw them.

If you are correct and the red dot is his bedroom then there is no way he could have seen them in the carport from that window. It would have to have been the kitchen door. IMO

 

[~n/t~]

I think I understand what you are saying. However, there has been a lot made of Clint's statements. I've seen some people say that there was no way Clint could have seen into the garage from where he was. I think what they showed last night can prove his statement true. Read this again:

(From CNN show transcript--)
"VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. Clint, it was about 7:30 in the morning. Where were you? What vantage point and what did you see?

C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?

C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, in the garage?

You were -- how do you -- when you`re asleep -- I`m just trying to get a picture. You`re asleep and then how do you see what`s going on in the garage? Ok, the dog barks, you wake up. Are you on the same level -- it`s all one floor."

Note that Clint states he was in his bedroom, and then he saw the two in the garage, but he does not mention moving to another room. IF that is his bedroom, and IF he did see things through this window, the story makes a lot more sense, IMO!

No he doesn't mention moving to another room but we also don't know where the dog barked. If I had to take a guess, the dog started barking in the kitchen, the closest part of the house to the carport. Clint awakens , goes to check on the dog and that is when he sees the silhouettes. IMO

 

[masootz]

this shows all three windows in the carport area (kitchen door, kitchen, and "living room").

this is the camera panning by the kitchen window. i've circled what appears to be the stove.

this is cb talking in the kitchen. you can see the stove behind him. the small window behind him matches up with the small window in the first picture. the larger window appears to be in the room behind him, through the kitchen opening. that's not a bedroom. nobody has a bedroom that opens to their kitchen.

given the shots above, the only place i can see his bedroom could be located for him to see the carport is the one where i circled a possible window behind the bush.

 

[bluenoser]

from today
"Next, they walked down a 4-wheeler path in the nearby woods. The Bobo family dog, Champ, followed, wagging his tail the whole way"

is this the first we have heard about the dog following along? Probably not important, but just seems strange the dog would follow along as she left with a stranger.

It's important that the dog was wagging his tail! (imo)

 

[OldSteve]

I think he was convinced it was Drew and perhaps trying not to interfere with whatever he thought may have been going on. Same reason he didn't go out and yell out, hey guys what's up. Only after mom called is when he went to investigate and even then he was convinced it was Drew until neighbour shows up and cops shortly thereafter. Even when he saw the blood, he thought it was turkey blood. In his mind, it was Drew showing Holly a dead turkey.

BBM -
Agree! and wonder if he had been told not to bother or interfere with his sister and her friends... OT - but I when I was young I would just that, tease and interfere with in my sister's affairs.. so I was taught not to interfere..

 

[wishuwerehere]

Because of additional piecemeal info that recently was released, I’m reminded of the list of theories that was published on the previous thread in this case. What continues to stand out in my mind is “they know who did it, but can’t close the deal.” I’m specifically speaking about LE. I believe the Bobo’s are being directed by LE to not release too much info (details) re the day Holly went missing so as to not let the perp (and the public) know he is a POI.

If the 911 calls were released, I have a strong suspicion we would see this case in a whole new light. I’ve always been interested how KB described to 911 dispatch what was happening at her home since she wasn’t there. Also the neighbor’s description to 911 would be interesting to hear because she wasn’t the one who heard the screams (her son did). The two people who called 911 did not have direct knowledge of the crime. The two people who did have direct knowledge of the crime did not call 911. I’m not sure if this has any significance, but I thought I would throw it out there.

 

[~n/t~]

Because of additional piecemeal info that recently was released, I’m reminded of the list of theories that was published on the previous thread in this case. What continues to stand out in my mind is “they know who did it, but can’t close the deal.” I’m specifically speaking about LE. I believe the Bobo’s are being directed by LE to not release too much info (details) re the day Holly went missing so as to not let the perp (and the public) know he is a POI.

If the 911 calls were released, I have a strong suspicion we would see this case in a whole new light. I’ve always been interested how KB described to 911 dispatch what was happening at her home since she wasn’t there. Also the neighbor’s description to 911 would be interesting to hear because she wasn’t the one who heard the screams (her son did). The two people who called 911 did not have direct knowledge of the crime. The two people who did have direct knowledge of the crime did not call 911. I’m not sure if this has any significance, but I thought I would throw it out there.

Agree. In this latest video Karen says she knows someone knows something. I could be wrong but I think this is the first time I hear that type of statement made by a family member in this case.

 

[~n/t~]

It's important that the dog was wagging his tail! (imo)

That's a big clue right there, imo! The perp was someone even the dog knew!

 

[masootz]

That's a big clue right there, imo! The perp was someone even the dog knew!

maybe. there's a video from around the one year anniversary that shows kb and a reporter walking near the garage. a large retriever is running near them wagging its tail. not sure if it's the same dog but it didn't strike me as an animal who was overly protective. as we've discussed before, some dogs are protective and some aren't (mine isn't).

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I am not so sure the dog means anything. Well trained, socialized dogs can be pretty happy all the time. I have a friend who takes his Rottweiler to his store with him and the dog meets and greets everyone with a tail wag.

People made a big fuss in the Anne Pressly murder over the fact that her two dogs didn't do anything when she was killed in her own home. In the end they were just friendly, well socialized dogs. They didn't bark, attack the killer, etc. at all.

 

[Almondjoy]

http://www.thunder1320.com/?cat=3&paged=3 (scroll down)
Jones Admits To Murder Of Sharpton

Donnie Jones in orange transferred to state prison... Photo by Wayne Thomas of WHMT Radio and the Tullahoma News
The man accused of murdering a Tullahoma nursing student pleaded guilty on Monday in a Franklin County court room.
Donnie Jones, 37, pleaded guilty to first degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison without parole.
Police said Jones killed 24-year-old Megan Sharpton in July 2012.
Sharpton’s partially burned body was found July 2, 2012 on Awalt Bridge Rd in Franklin County. Her car was found later that day in Bedford County, while her purse was discovered two days later in a creek in Estill Springs

It's been speculated that maybe whoever dropped Holly's lunch bag by a creek hoped that the flooding rains would wash it away. I don't know if much thought was put into the drop or not, but it is just another of the strange coincidences in this case, IMO!

 

[Almondjoy]

this shows all three windows in the carport area (kitchen door, kitchen, and "living room").

this is the camera panning by the kitchen window. i've circled what appears to be the stove.

this is cb talking in the kitchen. you can see the stove behind him. the small window behind him matches up with the small window in the first picture. the larger window appears to be in the room behind him, through the kitchen opening. that's not a bedroom. nobody has a bedroom that opens to their kitchen.

given the shots above, the only place i can see his bedroom could be located for him to see the carport is the one where i circled a possible window behind the bush.

I thought that was a mirrored backsplash for the stove-- maybe like stainless steel, and there seems to be a reflection of the kitchen door in that "mirror." I don't think it's a cut-through, but I could be wrong.

The front of the house has a L-shape, and if I am correct, the family room is in that L-shape, and there is a separate door leading out to the front of the house. This extension, I think, is where the garage once was, and they made it into a family room. I believe there is also the "main" front door in the center part of the front of the house. So I believe there are 3 doors to the house in total.

 

[Whisperer]

The neighbour who heard the screams?

Yep, ~n/t~

~n/t~, What do you make of Clint going through the garage, after seeing the layout of the place better yesterday on the videos? Wonder what caused him to circle through there, when the shortest line would have been from back door to entrance to the woods?

I first thought there could be a door in the garage directly into the house, but all I saw was a window I had not known existed! I now understand where he saw the silhouettes from, but I don't get the route to the woods.

I wonder what he meant by silhouettes... because that word means looking through a screen, meaning light was passing in back of them and reflecting on something. I had no idea the kitchen door was about two feet from the carport...it was open and easy to see if anyone was there. All one had to do was open it to see clearly...but the view was good anyway.

...I remain baffled at the dog now being mentioned. lease: Can I listen to the 911 tapes..I won't tell anyone, promise.

For the person who witnessed the dog behavior...at what point did the dog start interacting? Was he in the carport with them? By the time the dog was observed following, what would stop CB from following the dog. His mother told him to get a gun and go after them. BUT a neighbor showed up and he got diverted. Was the dog barking while Holly and the perp was in the carport? All dogs will bark at strangers. Inside dogs will bark at anyone/noise they hear and may stop when they SEE the person and recognize them.

If this story was told to LE, they should have blocked off the exit at the neighbors house and the one north of Holly's on Swan Johnson Rd. I don't understand how they got away. LE had to pass the car on the way to the crime...and there aren't many cars out that way.

Has the Myricle property been thoroughly checked? I will assume the other neighbor's has. By the time LE was called, the perp and holly were on the trail. Why didn't they catch them? Usually when a crime occurs with a witness and LE arrives within x10 min., the case is solved. Was the criminal embedded in the search that arrived right after the call?

If what we just heard was that they walked two minutes though the woods to the car, wouldn't that put the waiting car on the neighbor's property. The ones who have two houses on it. The mother is a friend of Karen and the son is in construction and didn't stop and help when he heard the scream.

So far, I am concluding the outside dog knew the abductor. If it were a stranger standing in the carport, he would have been outed very early and the perp would not be surpising Holly.

 

[masootz]

For the person who witnessed the dog behavior...at what point did the dog start interacting? Was he in the carport with them? By the time the dog was observed following, what would stop CB from following the dog.

the only person who could have witnessed the dog and its behavior is cb.

i wonder if the reporter was taking poetic license to some extent.

 

[wfgodot]

I wonder if Clint was taking poetic license to some extent.

 

[~n/t~]

maybe. there's a video from around the one year anniversary that shows kb and a reporter walking near the garage. a large retriever is running near them wagging its tail. not sure if it's the same dog but it didn't strike me as an animal who was overly protective. as we've discussed before, some dogs are protective and some aren't (mine isn't).

Yes. I posted the link to that video earlier. He appears to be a friendly dog but then again, Karen didn't scream nor was she bleeding. Maybe he's a hunting dog and doesn't react to strangers approaching the property, IDK.

I still firmly believe that the dog following with his tail wagging is a big clue.