TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #36

[wfgodot]

I think the tail-wagging dog probably is a clue, but discussion of dogs in crime-solving always allows me to haul out my Father Brown mysteries, by the great G.K. Chesterton, specifically "The Oracle of the Dog." Instructive. A couple quotes:

‘YES,’ said Father Brown, ‘I always like a dog, so long as he isn’t spelt backwards.’
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‘The dog could almost have told you the story, if he could talk,’ said the priest. ‘All I complain of is that because he couldn’t talk you made up his story for him, and made him talk with the tongues of men and angels.’

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/chesterton/gk/c52fb/chapter27.html

 

[~n/t~]

I think the tail-wagging dog probably is a clue, but discussion of dogs in crime-solving always allows me to haul out my Father Brown mysteries, by the great G.K. Chesterton, specifically "The Oracle of the Dog." Instructive. A couple quotes:


http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/chesterton/gk/c52fb/chapter27.html

The second quote just made me realize that the dog is another witness. If only they could talk.

 

[MizStery]

LE and Holly's family think it is a local that knew Holly's routine. The only eyewitness thought it was Holly's boyfriend. Camo man stayed with Holly at the scene of the abduction for an extended length of time -before leading her into the woods (wearing no jacket & flip flops)carrying a lunch bag,books and papers and purse. Now,we learn her dog was following wagging his tail. With this latest information...not being a person to rush to conclusions... I do believe we as Websleuthers can generate some theories... *& not break any TOS rules.

I am reminded Clint,KB,DB and Holly's very concerned friends and loved ones ....have handed out flyers,talked to the media and put forth unselfishly their time searching and expressing their love of Holly and feverishly praying to whoever knows something (anything)to help them bring Holly home. It is apparent that Holly was generous with her loving spirit and that love is reflected by all those who loved and cherished her most (& will never give up hope that she will be returned to them.)MOO

 

[OldSteve]

LE and Holly's family think it is a local that knew Holly's routine. The only eyewitness thought it was Holly's boyfriend. Camo man stayed with Holly at the scene of the abduction for an extended length of time -before leading her into the woods (wearing no jacket & flip flops)carrying a lunch bag,books and papers and purse. Now,we learn her dog was following wagging his tail. With this latest information...not being a person to rush to conclusions... I do believe we as Websleuthers can generate some theories... *& not break any TOS rules.

I am reminded Clint,KB,DB and Holly's very concerned friends and loved ones ....have handed out flyers,talked to the media and put forth unselfishly their time searching and expressing their love of Holly and feverishly praying to whoever knows something (anything)to help them bring Holly home. It is apparent that Holly was generous with her loving spirit and that love is reflected by all those who loved and cherished her most (& will never give up hope that she will be returned to them.)MOO

BBM - but I then wonder why the went ahead sometime later with the posters for trucks campaign? A local who is also a trucker?

 

[MizStery]

BBM - but I then wonder why the went ahead sometime later with the posters for trucks campaign? A local who is also a trucker?

I think it is perhaps to keep the plea & hope relevant & by some miracle, that water bottles or truck signage could possibly generate a tip that would bring Holly home.MOO

 

[ktgirl]

maybe. there's a video from around the one year anniversary that shows kb and a reporter walking near the garage. a large retriever is running near them wagging its tail. not sure if it's the same dog but it didn't strike me as an animal who was overly protective. as we've discussed before, some dogs are protective and some aren't (mine isn't).

I have three dogs and two of them would try to kill any starnger who entered our house. The third would want the stranger to pick him up and love on him and would totally follow the stranger out of the door wagging his tail behind him. Both he and one of the other killer dogs have been raised by us since puppies- they just have very different personalities (the 3rd dog/other killer dog is a rescue we've had since he was year or so).

All of the Golden Retrievers I ever knew had never met a stranger...maybe they'd bark when one first enters their yard, but they'd soon want to be friends. That breed is extremely sweet & good natured. I totally buy the tail-wagging.

 

[NCSleuth]

Perps car must have been parked on the road for several minutes. With most people going to work in the morning, no one saw the car? Its a 2 minute walk to the car, means it was a 2 minute walk from the car. He couldn't have gotten lucky enough to walk up the same time she walked out. Also, from the beginning he saw them in the garage, then heard arguing, the saw them looking at a turkey, then saw them walking away. Several phone calls in the middle. had to be 20 minutes or so. No one drove by the car?

Dog doesn't go off on someone lurking the garage?

This case frustrates me so much. I am trying to make sense of it and there is no way to make sense because we are not being told the entire truth.

I think the 911 tapes could clear up so much. At what point does LE say, We can't do it. Here is more info. Help!

 

[~n/t~]

Just wondering if any of you would approach a house if you saw a golden retriever on the loose. I realize we can't put ourselves in the mindset of the perp but I would think he would have some plan in place as to handle the dog. How did he know it was a friendly dog?

 

[~n/t~]

These are lovable, well-mannered, intelligent dogs with a great charm. They are easily trained, and always patient and gentle with children. Charming, devoted and self-assured, they are a popular family dog. Energetic and loving, Golden Retrievers enjoy pleasing their masters, so obedience training can be very rewarding. They excel in competitions. Friendly with everyone, including other dogs, the Golden Retriever has very little, if any, guarding instincts. While unlikely to attack, Goldens make good watchdogs, loudly signaling a stranger's approach. This breed needs to be around people who display leadership to be happy. The Golden Retriever may become destructive and/or high-strung, over-exuberant and distractible if he is lacking in daily mental and physical exercise. Be sure to remain this dog’s firm, but calm, confident, consistent pack leader to avoid behavioral issues. Some of the Golden's talents are hunting, tracking, retrieving, narcotics detection, agility, competitive obedience and performing tricks. These dogs also love to swim.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/goldenretriever.htm


bbm

 

[rob]

Clint was not a child. I don't get him, hearing the dog, getting up and immediately calling his mother. why not just go look? I'm also from a very rural area, and if I saw someone right outside my house, and didn't know who it was, I would pick up my gun, open the door, while holding the gun behind the wall out of sight, and SEE who it was and what was going on. Now, I realize most people, who live in more metropolitan areas, would NEVER think of getting the gun, but us country folk, do. (I've never shot or shot at anyone, for the record)
Also, most country guys, oh, Drew's got a turkey, they want to see it, talk about it. Something in this story has always seemed a little off to me. Not accusing anyone, but that is my take.

 

[Whisperer]

...hmmm. Well now we know the direction they took. We never knew that before! This 2 minute walk should have led LE to the crime scene...IMO. There was a pond on the path and then the neighbor's property. How many people were living on that property? I know the mother was mentioned and her son was mentioned,living in a trailer, nearby.

Were there more people who lived there and what did they hear or see? We know somebody heard a scream. Did the scream occur when Holly was put into the car or before? The entire story needs to be played out...as this is not adding up.

Why didn't we know about this before? One clue a year is not doing it for me. In fact, it is making me very frustrated. It is time for me to take another break from this case. I am just spinning wheels. More convinced than ever that they know who the perp is.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

We knew the direction they took over a year ago

Since the scream happened before Clint woke up it would not have been at the time when Holly was presumed to have been put into a car.

Clint also said he heard voices in the yard before he saw Holly and the suspect back at the car port. So for whatever reason it seems they were walking around in the yard before the "kneeling over the turkey" part.

 

[SmoothOperator]

The more I weigh all the aspects of the Holly Bobo case, the more I come to believe that the perp is now already incarcerated on other charges. I'm thinking that LE "solved" the case pretty early on through a DNA match, and now, they are possibly just waiting to recover Holly before pressing charges. Whether she was taken to pass to someone else in another state or country, or whether she was taken by a local sexual predator or some other person with a personal vendetta, it does not seem that LE is actively searching for a perp. The focus, if you can even call it that, seems to be more on finding Holly. Perhaps LE, knowing how long that this someone will be locked up at a minimum, is biding its time and hoping for a break before this person's sentence is up. Prosecutors generally like to have a body when prosecuting a case. I can't make other theories fit with the other known facts in the case.

*if* its her body that they're waiting for to proceed with charges IMO I believe there's a strong likelihood there will be no movement to prosecute ..again that's *if* its her body that is the issue standing in the way of proceeding with charges.. I just believe there is a very good chance that Holly's body will not be able to be recovered..similar to that of Haleigh Cummings.. jmo.

 

[~n/t~]

We knew the direction they took over a year ago

Since the scream happened before Clint woke up it would not have been at the time when Holly was presumed to have been put into a car.

Clint also said he heard voices in the yard before he saw Holly and the suspect back at the car port. So for whatever reason it seems they were walking around in the yard before the "kneeling over the turkey" part.

I don't recall Clint saying he heard voices in the yard. My understanding is the first place he saw them was in the car port kneeling.

Do you happen to have a link to Clint's statement regarding hearing voices in the yard? TIA

 

[~n/t~]

*if* its her body that they're waiting for to proceed with charges IMO I believe there's a strong likelihood there will be no movement to prosecute ..again that's *if* its her body that is the issue standing in the way of proceeding with charges.. I just believe there is a very good chance that Holly's body will not be able to be recovered..similar to that of Haleigh Cummings.. jmo.

Hey Smooth, good to see you here again.

Can you elaborate on your comparison to Haleigh Cummings?

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I don't recall Clint saying he heard voices in the yard. My understanding is the first place he saw them was in the car port kneeling.

Do you happen to have a link to Clint's statement regarding hearing voices in the yard? TIA

I think that info pre dates the truncated JVM interview. Its been discussed here (and probably linked to several times) in the past two years.

Clint said he heard "stranger voices" in the yard and thought perhaps it was a utility reader or some such... before he went out and looked into the garage.

A very brief search here showed it was discussed/mentioned at least in October of last year but it goes back much much farther than that.


Additional info:

From the Aug 4 JVM interview: "I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were. " I still recall him mentioning this in a bit more detail some time earlier. He used the term "stranger voices" and thought it was a utility worker...

 

[~n/t~]

Whilst looking for articles confirming Clint hearing voices in the yard, I came across this older article and I either missed this info before or totally forgot.

What do you all make of this? Does this mean her cell is still missing contrary to the belief that the Easter find was her cell phone?

Karen Bobo said she calls her daughter's voicemail almost everyday just to hear her voice. Her father says he often leaves messages.

"I have left numerous messages on it," Dana Bobo said. "I know they aren't going to her, but I leave them."

http://www.wkrn.com/story/21110743/holly-bobo-family-interview

Article is dated February 2011

 

[~n/t~]

I think that info pre dates the truncated JVM interview. Its been discussed here (and probably linked to several times) in the past two years.

Clint said he heard "stranger voices" in the yard and thought perhaps it was a utility reader or some such... before he went out and looked into the garage.

A very brief search here showed it was discussed/mentioned at least in October of last year but it goes back much much farther than that.


Additional info:

From the Aug 4 JVM interview: "I heard two voices outside our house and I called mom to try to find out who these people were outside our house. But I had no idea who they were. " I still recall him mentioning this in a bit more detail some time earlier. He used the term "stranger voices" and thought it was a utility worker...

He didn't recognize Holly's voice either? Outside the house? Where would that be? We know he saw them from the kitchen.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Who knows its all so murky and convoluted.

 

[Whisperer]

After seeing the layout of the carport attached to the house/kitchen w/windows, I do not understand the reason to have to call Karen to ask about Holly and her going to school.

If a stranger is perceived, why not ask the stranger who he is? The carport is just a few feet from the kitchen door and the area is wide open.