Still Missing TN - Joseph "Joe Clyde" Daniels, 5, Dickson, 3 Apr 2018 *autistic* *arrests* #2

[cybervampira]

Did I hear it right that he once killed a family dog?!

 

[theirmommy]

Did I hear it right that he once killed a family dog?!

Ugh. I haven’t heard that. Wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[cybervampira]

WATCH: Parents charged in Joe Clyde's death have Monday court date

The parents of Joe Clyde Daniels will face a Grand Jury for charged stemming from his death.

A judge bound the cases of Joseph Daniels and Krystal Daniels to a Dickson County Grand Jury.

A bond reduction request for Krystal Daniels was also denied.

 

[cybervampira]

Blood found in alleged murder of Joe Clyde, but with no body, case based on confession

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation said unidentified blood has been found in the alleged murder of Joe Clyde Daniels – but without a body, the case is largely based on a confession and statement.

Per the confession, Joe Clyde’s 8-year-old brother went into his parents’ bedroom to tell them baby Joe had peed on the floor. Joseph told TBI Joe Clyde started laughing, “so I beat him.”

"I beat him some more. That’s when I killed Baby Joe. I beat him with a closed fist and put his body in the trunk of my car,” Joseph told TBI.

 

[cybervampira]

JD was wearing a shirt with a print „Superdad“ the night he beat Joe Clyde to death. I just can‘t.

 

[keeleydoll]

Blood found in alleged murder of Joe Clyde, but with no body, case based on confession

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I have no words that are acceptable on this forum

 

[Kankan]

Did I hear it right that he once killed a family dog?!

No it was the mom that killed the dog! Sick lady. They wouldn’t allow her to have a dog but did allow the aunt, so out of revenge she grabbed it by its hind legs and slammed it up against a wall, which killed the dog.

 

[Kankan]

That was a hard watch for me. I watched up until the end and then had other things to do. Many many times I was adding my own commentary. So frustrating. I wish child abusers had big stamps on their foreheads so we could go and save all these babies. It’s frustrating to me it’s such a long hard process where the abusers seems to have more rights than their victims.

 

[cybervampira]

No it was the mom that killed the dog! Sick lady. They wouldn’t allow her to have a dog but did allow the aunt, so out of revenge she grabbed it by its hind legs and slammed it up against a wall, which killed the dog.

Thank you. That‘s all I need to know about her. [Insert swear word of your choice here]

 

[Gussified]

JD was wearing a shirt with a print „Superdad“ the night he beat Joe Clyde to death. I just can‘t.

‘Superdad’ was the shirt he was wearing the night he was booked. It was ‘Believe’ the night he beat Baby Joe...

Blood found in alleged murder of Joe Clyde, but with no body, case based on confession

“He was wearing a shirt that said “Superdad” when he was booked.”

“Joseph told the TBI he has already washed the shirt he was wearing the night of the killing: a black T-shirt with an alien in a Santa hat with the word “Believe” on it.”

 

[jnblsm]

JD was wearing a shirt with a print „Superdad“ the night he beat Joe Clyde to death. I just can‘t.

That's sickening.

 

[Kankan]

‘Superdad’ was the shirt he was wearing the night he was booked. It was ‘Believe’ the night he beat Baby Joe...

Blood found in alleged murder of Joe Clyde, but with no body, case based on confession

“He was wearing a shirt that said “Superdad” when he was booked.”

“Joseph told the TBI he has already washed the shirt he was wearing the night of the killing: a black T-shirt with an alien in a Santa hat with the word “Believe” on it.”

When I heard him say that during the live broadcast I was shocked. I think the State investigator that was on the stand knew the irony of that and knew the court would too which is why he mentioned it. He acted shocked a bit by it too.

Joe actually beat his son to death, disposed of his body, came home, took off the believe alien shirt and washed it to try to hide blood evidence and then grabbed the super dad shirt to put on. What the actual *%#*???

 

[MsMarple]

Joe Clyde Daniels: What Does Lack Of Evidence Mean For Case?

“The statement of the dad will give jurors enough to convict him,” legal analyst, Jim Todd said.
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“There’s a possibility the body is not in middle Tennessee or there’s a possibility they’ll never find the remains because the child was small, the bones are small. By now with the weather and animals and stuff, the remains are long gone,” said Todd.

He believes prosecutors will use Krystal's statement against Daniels during the trial.

“They can’t use the mother’s statement if they try them together so more than likely the State will be using the mother as a witness and that’s probably why she was charged,” Todd explained.

I'm confident the Grand Jury will return an indictment for Joseph Daniels. I'm not sure about Krystal but IMO it's likely. It's already looking like Joseph's attorney may claim he's covering for Krystal and Krystal's attorney will claim that she was too afraid of Joseph to intervene or call 911.

IMO I'm calling BS on either claim. I think Joe Clyde lived in a toxic, violent home with an angry father and uncaring mother. His autism may have caused both of these nasty people to regard him as a disposable burden. Ugh. MOO.

In the court hearing video (thanks cybervampira!) Agent Boyd said that during the interviews with Joseph the location where he put Joe Clyde's body varied but his story of how he murdered Joe Clyde remained consistent.

Interesting that Joseph's statement includes his seeing a car drive by while Joe Clyde was trying to get away. Turns out to be the witness mentioned earlier in msm. Remember how we were all scratching our heads about the sighting and how it fit with the timeline? It makes sense now.

ETA: I'm still listening to the video and one of the defense attorneys just implied that Joe Clyde's 8-year-old brother could have hurt him. Cripes!

 

[MsFacetious]

OMG that 8 year old is never going to be the same.
He will wish for the rest of his life that he had never told them about the peeing on the floor.
Awful.

 

[Kankan]

They haven’t said a lot about the 8 year old that I’ve seen. In the live broadcast, Krystal’s defense (I think it was her’s) suggested the 8 year old boy may have killed him. They mentioned that the 8 year old had recently put baby Joe in the hospital by beating him up. That made me cringe. 1.) Because what kind of hell did Joe Clyde have to live and 2.) are they really trying to set up an 8 year old to take the fall for a murder and 3.) what if the brother did it? #3 is the least likely but it got me thinking for sure.

This 8 year old has zero chance, it’s sad. Is he currently in foster care? Do we know?

 

[MsMarple]

They haven’t said a lot about the 8 year old that I’ve seen. In the live broadcast, Krystal’s defense (I think it was her’s) suggested the 8 year old boy may have killed him. They mentioned that the 8 year old had recently put baby Joe in the hospital by beating him up. That made me cringe. 1.) Because what kind of hell did Joe Clyde have to live and 2.) are they really trying to set up an 8 year old to take the fall for a murder and 3.) what if the brother did it? #3 is the least likely but it got me thinking for sure.

This 8 year old has zero chance, it’s sad. Is he currently in foster care? Do we know?

I don't think the sibling killed Joe Clyde. For one thing Joseph hasn't given any indication so far that he's covering for the brother or Krystal and if he did I'd look at mom first. His memory only fails when it comes to telling where Joe Clyde's body is while his description of the murder has remained consistent - to me that means he's recalling from experience and not a fabricated story. IMO.

Hopefully the Grand Jury will return indictments for both. Krystal isn't facing murder charges and IMO stands a good chance of doing time for her child endangerment charge - unless she gets a sweet deal in exchange for testifying against her husband.

Here's a good summary of the preliminary hearing:
Joe Clyde Daniels: 10 things we learned at preliminary hearing

 

[Amonet]

I am still seeing way too many flags against her. Either of them could have done it, but after hearing that I'm veering more toward KD being the perp.

The story about KD getting up at 1am after the elder son reported Joe Clyde peeing on the floor. There's no sense in making it up. There is a lot of sense in retracting it if she in fact killed Joe Clyde when she got up.

KD going back to bed and falling asleep after what she'd just watched?

JD claims he doesn't really want anyone to find Little Joe's body because he doesn't want anyone to see what he did to Little Joe. I'm not buying it. He's already said what he did. Krystal and maybe the elder son saw Little Joe after he'd been beaten to death by JD. No one in the family is going to see the body, which by now does not resemble what Little Joe looked like either in life or straight after that beating, all the family want is to be able to give this child a decent burial and have a place to go visit him and remember him. It makes far more sense to me if JD thinks that the body will show something that is inconsistent with his story of how he killed Little Joe. And the only thing that can really be is if someone else did the job (Krystal).

JD allegedly punches walls and throws tables more than punching people?

KD allegedly killed a dog in an absolutely horrific fashion out of pure spite and vindictiveness. She definitely, imo, has the ability, physically and mentally, to kill a child.

The elder boy, when questioned, had a story that KD killed Little Joe. The story of how that happened is apparently questionable, but I am very curious why he would put her in the position of the murderer standing over Little Joe's body with murderous attitude.

The lack of blood. Is it really likely for there to have been zero detectable blood in the house if Little Joe was beaten to death in this manner? Someone with martial arts training ought to be able to commission a bloodless beating, but why not describe doing that if that's actually what happened?

The blood on JD's clothing. Tiny specks of blood. I can't remember which item of clothing from the lower body that was on, but for the top half of his body it was on the hoody. The detective from the TBI suggests that minute traces of blood might have transferred onto the hoody when the body was being moved. That isn't evidence that JD was the perp in the murder of Little Joe, it's evidence that JD moved the body, which I wouldn't argue with anyway.

We don't have a body. We have no way to know if there are wounds consistent with a beating, or if a bloodless death could have been attained another way, smothering, or perhaps the same way the dog was killed.

I have not heard enough evidence to feel strongly enough that it must have been JD and can't have been KD. I sincerely hope they will have a lot more by the time of trial. I would be very curious as to what parts of the polygraphs each of them failed.

Final point, lithium is not usually taken for anxiety. And we did not hear of KD mental health diagnoses or any medications she was or should have been taking.

 

[Kankan]

I don't think the sibling killed Joe Clyde. For one thing Joseph hasn't given any indication so far that he's covering for the brother or Krystal and if he did I'd look at mom first. His memory only fails when it comes to telling where Joe Clyde's body is while his description of the murder has remained consistent - to me that means he's recalling from experience and not a fabricated story. IMO.

Hopefully the Grand Jury will return indictments for both. Krystal isn't facing murder charges and IMO stands a good chance of doing time for her child endangerment charge - unless she gets a sweet deal in exchange for testifying against her husband.

Here's a good summary of the preliminary hearing:
Joe Clyde Daniels: 10 things we learned at preliminary hearing

I don’t think the 8 year old did it either but it sure made me think of the possibility and I didn’t know that he had put Joe Clyde in the hospital for beating him before. So it was enough for me to pause. Since he had beat him before and they took him to the hospital, if it happened again I would think they would do the same not try to hide it. And Joe (the dad) doesn’t strike me as the kind of dad who would take the fall for his kid either.

 

[Amonet]

I don’t think the 8 year old did it either but it sure made me think of the possibility and I didn’t know that he had put Joe Clyde in the hospital for beating him before. So it was enough for me to pause. Since he had beat him before and they took him to the hospital, if it happened again I would think they would do the same not try to hide it. And Joe (the dad) doesn’t strike me as the kind of dad who would take the fall for his kid either.

That's part of my problem whoever did it, why would the other cover up for them?

Krystal was apparently wanting to leave JD and move to Kansas. So why should she cover for him?

For the same reason, why should he cover for her?

I believe a lot of things didn't come out in that hearing, and some of that might even point more at KD than JD.

Another question I have is how could KD just go back to bed and back to sleep when her elder child has just seen this incident? Even if she didn't call LE (which I think she should have done once she was sure JD had left the house) why didn't she go in and sit with her older boy and comfort him?

 

[Kankan]

That's part of my problem whoever did it, why would the other cover up for them?

Krystal was apparently wanting to leave JD and move to Kansas. So why should she cover for him?

For the same reason, why should he cover for her?

I believe a lot of things didn't come out in that hearing, and some of that might even point more at KD than JD.

Another question I have is how could KD just go back to bed and back to sleep when her elder child has just seen this incident? Even if she didn't call LE (which I think she should have done once she was sure JD had left the house) why didn't she go in and sit with her older boy and comfort him?

I agree. And how the heck could you go back to sleep at all. If I have to get up to pee I have a hard time falling back to sleep, let alone a traumatic experience like that. They are both lying and agreeded upon a semi-true story. They are both capable of doing it. I wonder what the kids are saying.