Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #7

[All4CompleteJustice]

But her sister was here all day yesterday and last night and a lot of the same info she posted here?

Check your messages

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[jellybean96]

A gentle reminder: I have been reading all the replies since the last news conference and there people who are posting incorrect information. If you post something as fact, please include a MSM link. If you are stating a theory, opinion or a hunch, please state that as well.

And as a help to the other readers, please read through all the discussion before asking questions. Most have already been asked and explained.

 

[KKearns]

"putting it out there". This is an example of how a pedophile works and how someone actions like what TC did can, even from afar, manipulate people to believe he's justified in his behavior.

Yes, this is where people need to realize, it doesn't matter if ET was very aggressively pursuing him, he is an adult (not saying she did). There is no "she wanted it" here. Many states cover these things in their laws.

Yes a 13 year old can physically consent to having sex with an adult and think that is what they want to do. Legally they can not consent because a child isn't old enough to make those decisions and it is completely on the adult to control themselves and put a stop to that.

While ET may think she has feelings for him and wants to be with him (I don't know if she does) she isn't old enough to decide that. He is old enough and it doesn't matter what, if anything, she said and did.


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[Gardenista]

"putting it out there". This is an example of how a pedophile works and how someone actions like what TC did can, even from afar, manipulate people to believe he's justified in his behavior. She "put it out there". Even you, an intelligent person who understands that we're discussing a child and a man who is more than three times her age, is trying to normalize this. Is it any wonder TC's friends, family, coworkers, neighbors and the entire community is behaving the way they are? No, she didn't "put it out there". I don't know how to be any clearer than this. His behavior was testing, he didn't start by sending her messages of "hey let's do it". he starts with simple things and works up to it. And when she's invested, he changes. It's like a whirlpool, once you get too close, you get sucked in over your head. She doesn't have the abilities an adult 50 year woman who is his equal would have, and he knows this. She doesn't have friends she can talk to to get perspective and help, she's new to school. She doesn't have a mother she can talk to, her mother is out of the picture. She can't talk to her father, he's got troubles of his own and she most likely thought she could handle it. She can't avoid him at school and she probably didn't even know if she told someone that she could be moved to another school, all she knows is he's there and he's in control. She's just getting settled in a good home, and she was most likely afraid the authorities might remove her from her Dad's home if they found about what was going on. No she wasn't "putting out there", she was merely trying to buy time until she could figure things out. Just want to also say that we have no idea what kind of pressure she was under from him. We know ET was being bullied, had she lost the protection of TC she may have felt that she would have been completely unprotected from the students who were bullying her. I stayed home from school for a few days "sick" because my friends wouldn't sit with me at the lunch table, I can't imagine trying to navigate all the pressures she was under. But no, she didn't put anything out there, she wasn't fishing for a 50 year old to use her for his lost youth fantasies, take her away from her home, her sisters, her dog and her life and isolate her from them. And if he was truly concerned for her safety, taking her on the open road, sending her sexually explicit messages and molesting her in school wasn't the most prudent way to find her help.

Bravo!!! This needs to be pinned at the top of every thread.

 

[white rabbit]

hey bravo, what are your thoughts? :thinking:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I feel like I am reading the same posts over and over and over.

I need a breather.

 

[JerseyGirl]

From today's news conference:

Cooper said Cummins "planned this in such a way that he had a 24-hour head start ... easily enough time for him to make it to Mexico."

Cooper also called Cummins a "religious man" and said "it's possible that he's playing the role of a missionary in that area." After the news conference, Cooper told ABC News that Cummins is "familiar with missionary work ... he could easily blend into that kind of culture."

Cooper told ABC News that Cummins "had a fictional past that he told his students about. His students believed that he was former FBI, former CIA, and that he had this mysterious past." "He was kind of brainwashing all the kids into thinking he was something he wasn't," Cooper said. "I'm sure all that played into Elizabeth's feelings toward him. It was a complete deception." "She may not realize she's in danger. She may not realize she's been taken against her will," he continued. "If you see them and they look happy, that doesn't matter. This is a serious crime."

Mark Gwyn, director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, called the relationship between Cummins and Elizabeth a manipulation -- not a "romance." "Some have characterized this relationship as a romance. But this morning I want to caution the public to avoid anything that might look or sound like victim blaming," Gwyn said. "This is not a fairy tale -- this is a case of kidnapping."

http://www.wbal.com/article/229197/110/missing-teen-ex-teacher-may-be-in-mexico-officials

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Victim blaming:
I've noticed that women sometimes give sympathy to the abuser rather than the victim. I, even, was in an abusive marriage; but women 'circled' the ex with sympathy and excuses. Me? I got 'what did you do to set him off?'

 

[4SAM]

So, you repeated a false comment as if it were fact. You never even stated that is was your opinion.

You may be frustrated that I challenge statements that I find to be misleading and without much regard for clarity.

I am not here to make you either happy or unhappy.

I have, however, tried to be respectful and thank you for your helpful comments. I enjoy many of your post.

The above is my opinion only.

Plesae be kind...MODS can put you on timeout.

 

[Findley]

Since he was researching teen marriage... Are there any states that allow marriage at 15 without a parent's permission? (Or for that matter, he might have obtained false documents giving her age as 16 or older.)

Personally, if he was smart enough to look into whether the car could be tracked, he had to have known the cell phone could be. One would think that the very first thing he would have done on taking her was to ditch their phones and get burners if needed to stay in contact. IMO, the ping pretty much had to be a set up - either they pinged the phone then turned around and went the opposite direction, or he gave the phone to someone else and they did it. Maybe even someone unwitting? What if he threw the phone in the back of a truck turned off - and later the truck driver found it and turned it on - would that cause a ping? Person might then have turned it back off, or the battery might have died.

Just me, but if I found a phone in my truck and turned it on and it dies, I would charge it and turn it back on and try to figure out who it belonged to.

I assume that she tried to use it against TC's wishes and at that point he took it away. That's something a kidknapper would do IMO

 

[Kakidoll]

Ppl look at his Twitter under retweet and replies!! PLEASE

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I see what you are talking about... the picture, correct?

 

[All4CompleteJustice]

I see what you are talking about... the picture, correct?

YES!!

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[All4CompleteJustice]

People on WS need to be made aware can a mod approve it?

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[KKearns]

I've noticed that women sometimes give sympathy to the abuser rather than the victim. I even was in an abusive marriage and women circled the ex with sympathy and excuses.

Yes and my experience here is when it is a female teacher and a male student, many women will not call it abuse. Many of the men are making jokes about it and saying they are jealous they didn't have a teacher like that.

I've even heard people talk about how "girls dress and look older now" as if that gives the man an excuse. It is like blaming a rape victim for how she is dressed. That is in essence saying men are not strong enough to not accidently rape someone walking down the street.

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[KKearns]

Just me, but if I found a phone in my truck and turned it on and it dies, I would charge it and turn it back on and try to figure out who it belonged to.

I assume that she tried to use it against TC's wishes and at that point he took it away. That's something a kidknapper would do IMO

You would be surprised how many try to keep phones and get someone to help them get it unlocked.

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[KKearns]

People on WS need to be made aware can a mod approve it?

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I've sent a pm asking. The picture was posted yesterday and it got deleted.

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[Woe.be.gone]

"putting it out there". This is an example of how a pedophile works and how someone actions like what TC did can, even from afar, manipulate people to believe he's justified in his behavior. She "put it out there". Even you, an intelligent person who understands that we're discussing a child and a man who is more than three times her age, is trying to normalize this. Is it any wonder TC's friends, family, coworkers, neighbors and the entire community is behaving the way they are? No, she didn't "put it out there". I don't know how to be any clearer than this. His behavior was testing, he didn't start by sending her messages of "hey let's do it". he starts with simple things and works up to it. And when she's invested, he changes. It's like a whirlpool, once you get too close, you get sucked in over your head. She doesn't have the abilities an adult 50 year woman who is his equal would have, and he knows this. She doesn't have friends she can talk to to get perspective and help, she's new to school. She doesn't have a mother she can talk to, her mother is out of the picture. She can't talk to her father, he's got troubles of his own and she most likely thought she could handle it. She can't avoid him at school and she probably didn't even know if she told someone that she could be moved to another school, all she knows is he's there and he's in control. She's just getting settled in a good home, and she was most likely afraid the authorities might remove her from her Dad's home if they found about what was going on. No she wasn't "putting out there", she was merely trying to buy time until she could figure things out. Just want to also say that we have no idea what kind of pressure she was under from him. We know ET was being bullied, had she lost the protection of TC she may have felt that she would have been completely unprotected from the students who were bullying her. I stayed home from school for a few days "sick" because my friends wouldn't sit with me at the lunch table, I can't imagine trying to navigate all the pressures she was under. But no, she didn't put anything out there, she wasn't fishing for a 50 year old to use her for his lost youth fantasies, take her away from her home, her sisters, her dog and her life and isolate her from them. And if he was truly concerned for her safety, taking her on the open road, sending her sexually explicit messages and molesting her in school wasn't the most prudent way to find her help.

"putting it out there" - I meant it from the standpoint that other adults in Elizabeth's life could have helped her earlier if they were paying attention. The signs ET put out were advertising for the bad guys. Don't let your kid advertise.
I'm not blaming ET because, obviously, she is wanting for something she's not getting and is confused.
What about the other adult who has abused her sexually literally? What happens to him?
There's a lot to examine here - plus, touchy subjects for public discussion/WS.
Now, we have a missing teenager because a "secret freak" (I guess) was able to cast his spell on ET.

Problem No. 1 = finding Elizabeth.

Problem No. 2 = how to train up a child so they won't become sitting prey for people like TC.

 

[All4CompleteJustice]

I've sent a pm asking. The picture was posted yesterday and it got deleted.

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Wow!

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[Bravo]

hey bravo, what are your thoughts? :thinking:

Me LOL good to see you

 

[bluesneakers]

I see what you are talking about... the picture, correct?

Which picture?