Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #7

[Deleted member 172065]

Take a look at this video from ET's older sister. http://wkrn.com/2017/03/21/shes-a-smart-girl-elizabeth-thomas-sister-believes-she-ran-away/

Then consider some of the things we've heard from other family members, lawyers, the school, kids at the school, etc.

All these things just flat out don't add up. And please, don't give me another 50 posts about how predators gaslight their victims! Right now, I'm not interested in a psychology crash course, I'm simply trying to determine what is fact, what is exaggeration, and what is flat out fiction. And I am having a VERY hard time telling which is which any more.

(Pardon my obvious frustration.)

It seems like it's all a guess. I thought there was abuse from her mom, but the sister didn't mention it. Abuse by dad? No one has said anything...

 

[KKearns]

It seems like it's all a guess. I thought there was abuse from her mom, but the sister didn't mention it. Abuse by dad? No one has said anything...

Yeah the mom has a restraining order to stay away, she said that was why she couldn't do something when she saw ET with TC in December.

I believe I read she is due in court for the charges soon.

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[Mountain_Kat]

That's the sister I was talking about earlier.

A big questionable thing to me was this.

"The 19-year-old older sister defends her mother and says there must be a reason why Elizabeth was running away."

That gives me pause, but only ET's sister can likely answer the questions you are having. We really don't know how much contact this sister had with ET since the mother. She might not have any idea what has happened with ET.

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So...we simply choose to believe one family member is right and another family member is wrong? Okay then. I don't believe the younger sister when she says that Elizabeth told her to call the police if she wasn't home by 6:00. I think the younger sister knew exactly what was going on, freaked out, and decided she had to alert someone, so she made that whole home by 6pm story up.

I mean...we can pick and choose the truth, so why not?

 

[mrskeev]

YES!!

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Why am I not seeing it? Ugh...

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[KKearns]

So...we simply choose to believe one family member is right and another family member is wrong? Okay then. I don't believe the younger sister when she says that Elizabeth told her to call the police if she wasn't home by 6:00. I think the younger sister knew exactly what was going on, freaked out, and decided she had to alert someone so she made that whole home by 6pm story up.

I mean...we can pick and chose the truth, so why not?

Well I'm not saying that, but from what I've seen about the abuse charges and things the mom has said about seeing ET and TC together and not telling anyone.. This gives me pause.

For you it might not.

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[Mountain_Kat]

Well I'm not saying that, but from what I've seen about the abuse charges and things the mom has said about seeing ET and TC together and not telling anyone.. This gives me pause.

For you it might not.

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Honey, EVERYTHING about this case gives me pause.

And if I sound like I'm snapping at you personally, please know that I'm not. I'm just beyond frustrated at this point. I feel like everyone in this case (the families, the friends, the school...) has secrets they are trying to keep hidden...and none of that is helping to find this child.

 

[white rabbit]

they're covering it on abc eyewitness news right now...local NYC/tri-state area (nj, ny, ct)...

 

[KKearns]

Honey, EVERYTHING about this case gives me pause.

And if I sound like I'm snapping at you personally, please know that I'm not. I'm just beyond frustrated at this point. I feel like everyone in this case (the families, the friends, the school...) has secrets they are trying to keep hidden...and none of that is helping to find this child.

You could be right, there have obviously been some issues in the family. Of course also we don't know that they haven't been more open with the cops than with the media. Not trying to say they were or sound like I'm just blindly thinking that.. I can understand being open with the cops and not with everything with the media.

When I saw that article, I was wondering also and that one part I quoted is what hit me. I'm not saying she is lying, it just made me feel her perspective might be off. It is her mom and we all know that even with an abusive mom, it is still hard for some kids to accept that or speak against their mom. I just figured she was struggling with having to say something bad about her mom or say something bad about her sister. The media could have asked her a lot that prompted some of that and we don't know what they asked.

I'm sure there are many layers to all of this that we may never know.

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[stormymama]

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http://wp.me/p4ySv5-12pB

Her own sister is victim blaming. Unbelievable.

 

[U2forever]

Originally Posted by OtisC
Assuming both names (husband and wife) were on the title, I don't think either the wife or the loan company can report the car stolen unless there is proof it was taken, without consent, from both the husband and the wife.

I'm not lawyer and slept in my on bed last night, so, I may be wrong.

The above is my opinion only.

BBM
:laughing:

 

[Mom24]

Take a look at this video from ET's older sister. http://wkrn.com/2017/03/21/shes-a-smart-girl-elizabeth-thomas-sister-believes-she-ran-away/

Then consider some of the things we've heard from other family members, lawyers, the school, kids at the school, etc.

All these things just flat out don't add up. And please, don't give me another 50 posts about how predators gaslight their victims! Right now, I'm not interested in a psychology crash course, I'm simply trying to determine what is fact, what is exaggeration, and what is flat out fiction. And I am having a VERY hard time telling which is which any more.

(Pardon my obvious frustration.)

I agree, it's frustrating. Sometimes there's going to be conflicting "facts". We don't have any clue what they asked BL, all we hear are her replies. Was she asked "what do you think happened to your sister" or was she asked "if your sister did run away...". Did she feel that her sister had run away of her own accord? Were there things she was unaware of and having more facts she now feels her sister was abducted? Was BL older and less abused than ET? These are all things we don't know. And it doesn't mean it's conflicting "facts" because nothing of what BL is stating are facts, they're just the pov of a family member trying to make sense of the disappearance of her sister. I understand your frustration, and the need to have hard clear data but at this point the only hard clear data is that a 15 year old child named ET hasn't been seen and if she's alive she would be in the company of her 50 year old teacher. She has a bathing suit with her, she's 5' tall, she has hazel eyes and speaks with a slight lisp. He is 6', over 200 lbs and was last driving a silver nissan rogue. At 3pm on the day they disappeared her phone was in Decatur, AL. Those are the facts. Hard, clear and undeniable. AH, a similar case in many ways, had her parents arguing over this very issue. One was convinced she'd been abducted, the other felt she'd run away. The town itself was divided and even after she was found, many believed she'd left with run away with the man who abducted her. And in the hearings when he admitted to abducting her holding her hostage and then releasing her, many in town still believe they ran away together and he was merely taking the fall for her. People try to make sense of things, and this is her sister, and the thought of her running away is certainly more pleasant than the thought that some unhinged gun toting sexual predator took her sister. In the end, you have to focus on what's important, and that's getting her home and away from TC, because any way you look at it, she's not safe with him.

 

[KKearns]

Ugh.. Part of this is hard also for me to discuss because ET's sister has joined us. I feel like I'm talking about her and her family like she isn't around.

I hope she realizes our discussions and questions aren't ever in any way to be disrespectful, because I don't think anyone participating in this would be disrespectful.

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[gitana1]

I think it's clear this kid was seriously conflicted. As most abuse victims are. She was groomed. She was praised and told how mature and beautiful and superior she was. That may have made her think she was in love. But her gut told her something else.

I truly believe she got into something she didn't understand and couldn't get out of. None of this is unusual in these kinds of cases. And the conflicting info otherwise doesn't disturb me either. Kids in the same family can have conflicting loyalties and different experiences. Not all the kids may have been abused or understand it.

The only thing that's black and white to me in this case is that TC is a predator.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

BEING CONFLICTED WHEN YOU'RE DATING OR IN LOVE
Yeah, it can definitely happen. You want love but it's hard to know their heart, and if they are truly trustworthy. It's downright scary because your life depends upon it.

 

[gitana1]

Assuming both names (husband and wife) were on the title, I don't think either the wife or the loan company can report the car stolen unless there is proof it was taken, without consent, from both the husband and the wife.

I'm not lawyer and slept in my on bed last night, so, I may be wrong.

The above is my opinion only.

I think you're right. But no matter. The license or VIN should come up anywhere in the nation as connected to a kidnapping.

 

[stormymama]

Ugh.. Part of this is hard also for me to discuss because ET's sister has joined us. I feel like I'm talking about her and her family like she isn't around.

I hope she realizes our discussions and questions aren't ever in any way to be disrespectful, because I don't think anyone participating in this would be disrespectful.

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I second that. It has to be hard to read some of this but it is an awful situation all around, and I appreciate her (Kat) being here.

 

[Mom24]

Honey, EVERYTHING about this case gives me pause.

And if I sound like I'm snapping at you personally, please know that I'm not. I'm just beyond frustrated at this point. I feel like everyone in this case (the families, the friends, the school...) has secrets they are trying to keep hidden...and none of that is helping to find this child.

And they do. They all have secrets and there are incidental things that get revealed when this kind of thing happens, so people double down and clam up. They often don't realize that if they would just tell what they know, it would be better. Like the kid who knows the guy next door is beating his wife but doesn't call the police because he's high and worried he'll get in trouble for that. People have reasons to try to protect themselves and often makes things so much more difficult than they have to be. And I hear you, it is frustrating. And then some people exaggerate things, or insert things that aren't completely accurate, or because of their own vantage point confuse things. I wish, like you, we had more info and I feel that sometimes in trying to protect an evidence trail LE doesn't offer enough information to allow the public to help, but I you just have to focus on what you can do and sometimes just being that one set of eyes that catches a small detail or being that one more person that supports the family by a kind post is worth more than you know.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Well I'm not saying that, but from what I've seen about the abuse charges and things the mom has said about seeing ET and TC together and not telling anyone.. This gives me pause.

For you it might not.

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This thread moves pretty fast, so this was something I clearly missed. Is there a MSM link somewhere for this info?

 

[KKearns]

I think you're right. But no matter. The license or VIN should come up anywhere in the nation as connected to a kidnapping.

Can't LE get Nissan to activate the stolen tracking without a car owner?

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[Mom24]

This thread moves pretty fast, so this was something I clearly missed. Is there a MSM link somewhere for this info?

It was in an interview the mother gave. "She was ordered to have no contact with any of her 10 children. But this past Christmas, while picking up a friend, Thomas says she saw her daughter by chance. And she says Elizabeth was with Cummins then.

She wanted to intervene, violating the order. Now, she regrets she didn't. "If I had done something then that would have broke the law she probably would still be here," said Thomas." http://whnt.com/2017/03/24/estrange...homas-shares-sorrow-worry-over-disappearance/