Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #7

[KKearns]

I second that. It has to be hard to read some of this but it is an awful situation all around, and I appreciate her (Kat) being here.

Yes I am very glad Kat is here because we can ask her the questions we have and she has helped clear up some things already. I mean this isn't a normal social setting and she might be fine with us having very open discussion and it could be all my own concern about us saying something that hurts her, and me projecting that feeling. It could be perfectly fine with her, she has never given me reason to think she doesn't want us to do that.

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[Heavenlystars]

I think going on a mission is different than being a missionary. My nephew's go on home building missions with their church. None of them are missionary's.

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It is dependent on what the specific church requires to be a missionary. He could just lie and just say that he is a missionary from a church, and he is there to share the word of Christ. With his charisma, a lot of people will probably buy into his lies.

 

[KKearns]

This thread moves pretty fast, so this was something I clearly missed. Is there a MSM link somewhere for this info?

Yes there was an article I saw and I might have linked it in another thread. Let me see if I can find it. There was an interview with the mom. Others have linked it, someone might have the link handy.

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[Kakidoll]

To MCET's sister: Please know we are NOT in any way trying to blame anyone in the family, we are just trying to understand the entire dynamic in hopes to get a lead to getting your sister back home. No matter if some support Mom, some support Dad, some feel she left of her own will or some feel she was forced into it, the goal is all the same. Pick apart the small amount of info we can to hopefully point us in SOME direction to help her. The longer it takes to find her, the more danger she could be in. PLEASE do not take anything we are throwing out personally...... Its throwing out a 100 ideas and if that one gets the right attention and moves things forward, that's all we all are looking for. I believe everyone in here wants her found safe so that SHE can then be involved in whatever choice SHE needs to make.

Even a phone call from her to police, a friend or family would be a huge relief for her family, i'm sure.

So if anyone out there is reading this that knows how to contact her, please have her just call and let someone know she is ok and that everything CAN be worked out. Its never too late. NEVER.

 

[Hatfield]

I mentioned in a another post and wanted to bring up again.

I think its time to hire a private investigator to help find her.

They can sometimes open doors and have channels that the public are not privy to.

They have some payment arrangements that are not too expensive and if a go fundme site was setup maybe some of the funds can be used for a PI.

You can hire them for a certain fixed maximum so that if you only want to spend X dollars then I am sure they can oblige.

 

[KKearns]

This thread moves pretty fast, so this was something I clearly missed. Is there a MSM link somewhere for this info?

Here is one of them.

http://whnt.com/2017/03/24/estrange...homas-shares-sorrow-worry-over-disappearance/

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[KKearns]

It was in an interview the mother gave. "She was ordered to have no contact with any of her 10 children. But this past Christmas, while picking up a friend, Thomas says she saw her daughter by chance. And she says Elizabeth was with Cummins then.

She wanted to intervene, violating the order. Now, she regrets she didn't. "If I had done something then that would have broke the law she probably would still be here," said Thomas." http://whnt.com/2017/03/24/estrange...homas-shares-sorrow-worry-over-disappearance/

Her dad mentioned that issue also, but that is in the social media we aren't sure we can discuss since a verified insider gave the SM handle.

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[Mountain_Kat]

to mcet's sister: Please know we are not in any way trying to blame anyone in the family, we are just trying to understand the entire dynamic in hopes to get a lead to getting your sister back home. No matter if some support mom, some support dad, some feel she left of her own will or some feel she was forced into it, the goal is all the same. Pick apart the small amount of info we can to hopefully point us in some direction to help her. The longer it takes to find her, the more danger she could be in. Please do not take anything we are throwing out personally...... Its throwing out a 100 ideas and if that one gets the right attention and moves things forward, that's all we all are looking for. I believe everyone in here wants her found safe so that she can then be involved in whatever choice she needs to make.

Even a phone call from her to police, a friend or family would be a huge relief for her family, i'm sure.

So if anyone out there is reading this that knows how to contact her, please have her just call and let someone know she is ok and that everything can be worked out. Its never too late. Never.

This !

 

[DatelineFan]

I think it's clear this kid was seriously conflicted. As most abuse victims are. She was groomed. She was praised and told how mature and beautiful and superior she was. That may have made her think she was in love. But her gut told her something else.

I truly believe she got into something she didn't understand and couldn't get out of. None of this is unusual in these kinds of cases. And the conflicting info otherwise doesn't disturb me either. Kids in the same family can have conflicting loyalties and different experiences. Not all the kids may have been abused or understand it.

The only thing that's black and white to me in this case is that TC is a predator.

Just to piggyback on your post, which I completely agree with, most teens are extremely fickle, in general. Many teenagers in "normal" relationships with their peers, love each other one day, and hate each other the next. Teenagers are full of drama, IMO. This is a gross generalization, of course, but when you add in all of the unhealthy garbage of this situation, it's not surprising at ALL to me, to see such ups and downs.

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[Mountain_Kat]

Did Elizabeth start school at the beginning of the school year? And was she in TC's class since the start of the school year?

 

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Did Elizabeth start school at the beginning of the school year? And was she in TC's class since the start of the school year?

She started school in Dec 2015. She took two of Tad classes. It's 9 week block schedules. Every 9 weeks you get new classes. She took health and forensics

 

[Mom24]

Her dad mentioned that issue also, but that is in the social media we aren't sure we can discuss since a verified insider gave the SM handle.

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Took me a minute to understand what you were saying! I haven't read the dad's social media yet so I wasn't aware he'd brought this up as well. But it was in this local article and I believe you can find a video of the mother's interview. I haven't watched it yet, but I do remember someone posting a link to it.

 

[Nehemiah]

...Those teachers are ill equipped to have that position from all I have seen.

Are you saying that all the teachers in the school are not equipped, not qualified... or just what? Can you expound upon how you know this and what you have 'seen' to qualify your statement?

 

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Her dad mentioned that issue also, but that is in the social media we aren't sure we can discuss since a verified insider gave the SM handle.

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Ps. That women never saw them. It was a ploy to get on the news and try to look disabled for the criminal court case in May. He hopped if potential jurors saw her and though she might be disabled it would be thrown out.

 

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Yes I am very glad Kat is here because we can ask her the questions we have and she has helped clear up some things already. I mean this isn't a normal social setting and she might be fine with us having very open discussion and it could be all my own concern about us saying something that hurts her, and me projecting that feeling. It could be perfectly fine with her, she has never given me reason to think she doesn't want us to do that.

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I'm trying my best to stay caught up. I'm an open book to begin with and will try my best. The only situation that upset me was the stupidity that happened last night. Thankfully that stopped quickly

 

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

It seems like it's all a guess. I thought there was abuse from her mom, but the sister didn't mention it. Abuse by dad? No one has said anything...

Yes. We grew up in an extensive abuse situation under our "mothers" care. Thankfully when their father got custody the abuse ended. I wasn't that lucky. I was able to move out when I was 19 though

 

[KKearns]

Just to piggyback on your post, which I completely agree with, most teens are extremely fickle, in general. Many teenagers in "normal" relationships with their peers, love each other one day, and hate each other the next. Teenagers are full of drama, IMO. This is a gross generalization, of course, but when you add in all of the unhealthy garbage of this situation, it's not surprising at ALL to me, to see such ups and downs.

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And I'll piggyback off yours.. It isn't uncommon for two kids to talk about their life growing up and you can't believe they grew up in the same home. They can have very different viewpoints on things that were small to everyone but was a major thing to them due to other factors.

My sister and I were that way for a long time due to some circumstances I experienced (not from my parents) but when my mom or dad would do something totally normal, I would say.. Oh they were right, my mom just did that and she told me they would be like that.

It was a valid conclusion to come to as a child because of what my grandmother was telling me, that I was not telling my mom. I was an adult before I told my mom those things she had told me and my mom understood my feelings. It was a couple more years before I was free of the voice in my head that would say "see? Your mom was critical of you, you will never be acceptable to her."

My mom was always open with us but I had an issue with telling my mom my grandmother was saying what she was saying. There were two of us and my mom missed it. With a few kids and especially if this mom had been abusive, I can see the very different growing up experiences from all of them.

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[MCElizabethsSISTER]

So...we simply choose to believe one family member is right and another family member is wrong? Okay then. I don't believe the younger sister when she says that Elizabeth told her to call the police if she wasn't home by 6:00. I think the younger sister knew exactly what was going on, freaked out, and decided she had to alert someone, so she made that whole home by 6pm story up.

I mean...we can pick and choose the truth, so why not?

It was her older sister the 18yr that she told that too. They shared a bedroom. She honestly wasn't paying attention because she was getting ready for her boyfriend to come over. It only became concerning when she wasn't home by 7pm. She blames herself for not listening.

 

[Mom24]

Yes. We grew up in an extensive abuse situation under our "mothers" care. Thankfully when their father got custody the abuse ended. I wasn't that lucky. I was able to move out when I was 19 though

were your parents divorced, or were they still together living in the same house? It's confusing to understand and the way the news mentions it, it sounds as if your mother was removed from the home and custody given to your father. Trying to understand how that all works in to this.

 

[KKearns]

She started school in Dec 2015. She took two of Tad classes. It's 9 week block schedules. Every 9 weeks you get new classes. She took health and forensics

Can you explain about the class of 2019? I've seen it discussed about her graduation year being wrong, I've also seen the explanation. You are free to explain that where I'm not.

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