Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #1

[AmyPond]

Yes bless her and her family.
Is there a dad also?
was it the maternal or paternal grandma watching the children?
where parents working or just a grandma day visits?

Yes, there is a dad. It is the maternal grandma who was watching the children.

My two-yr-old grandbaby boy could be gone in a heartbeat, even with careful supervision. He takes after his daddy, who can be gone for an hour before you realize he's gone. That guy is like a ninja. My daughter was NEVER like that. She wouldn't have wandered off like that, and if she did, she would have sounded like an elephant in the forest.

I think Noah's in a sinkhole. I read the comments on the "official" missing fb page, and it's terrifying to hear how deep these holes can be (in one instance, a 10-foot-pole did not reach the bottom), and how MANY there must be on this property. I am comforted with the thought that if he is, in fact, in a sinkhole, he could actually be in good shape. The temperature would be warmer in there than out in the open.

After reading lots of good things about this family, I firmly believe this is a terrible tragedy that nobody could have prevented. I'll continue to take my baby hiking because you can't live your life afraid of the woods (or the city, or the ocean...), but you better bet he's been wearing neon since Deorr and Jerold disappeared. In fact, he wears a lighted bracelet on his ankle at night when we're camping. Sorry I have nothing useful to add to the search effort, but I just had to go on record saying that I trust the family and my heart is breaking for the grandmother, especially.

I agree that this was a terrible accident and I can't imagine what the grandma must be feeling. However, saying it could NOT be prevented is a bit of a stretch to me. Any accident where a child runs off can certainly be prevented by not taking your eyes off of a child or using a stroller or "leash" or something.

TGIRecovered, I love this forum because we can all get our ideas out without fear of being bashed or ridiculed for them. It's great to have different opinions here, in such a civil manner.

As for the diaper, I can't understand why search dogs can't find a stinky baby diaper, either. Do they not train these dogs for this? In my experience, the diaper would still be on the baby. We've spent a lot of time training our kid to keep the diaper on. You definitely don't want a toddler to know how to take off his pants and diaper.

With all of the leaves and stuff out there, I imagine it can smell a bit musty. So maybe a dirty diaper smell just wouldn't stand out.

It's actually quite maddening how children refuse to answer when called sometimes. We play a game where I call her name and she answers "yes ma'am" but it's taken active, daily practice to get to the point where she answers MOST of the time, but still not always!

I have a 2 year old with a speech delay (doesn't talk at all) so he definitely wouldn't answer to his name at all.

 

[charminglane]

I agree.
Every inch of the house property inside and out need to be gone over again.
May today be the day.

 

[MsMarple]

I thought for sure Noah would have been found by the time I woke up this morning. This is crazy. I hope LE has expanded the search area like the sheriff said they were going to do.

 

[krig101]

I thought for sure Noah would have been found by the time I woke up this morning. This is crazy. I hope LE has expanded the search area like the sheriff said they were going to do.

Me too I just want to cry!!!

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[Hap]

I agree.
Every inch of the house property inside and out need to be gone over again.
May today be the day.

I would love to hear that this baby was able to crawl into someplace warm and is there still. Maybe not alert but still alive....

 

[ILOKAL]

I think a bunch of the volunteer searchers need to obtain permission from property owners that have property outside the current search zone and start walking the fields themselves. Much of the land in that area is simply heavily wooded undeveloped forest. There's nothing that says that private individuals can't go out and conduct searches of their own, as long as they have the necessary permission from the property owner.

I would also suggest that they pay special attention to open, plowed farm land. I think it makes sense that he may have tried to get into a clearing or an open spot of land so he could see better. The forest can be scary at night, and he may have tried to get into a clearing where he didn't feel surrounded by scary looking trees. Some of these searchers may be misled when they look out across a pasture of plowed land and don't see anything noticeable. There's all kinds of dips, furrows, and weeds in a plowed field where a small child could lie down, curl up, and not be seen.

The biggest enemy in this case is that the weather began to deteriorate shortly after he wandered off. It went from sunny and warm, to windy and rainy, to frigid and freezing, in 48 hours.

That's what happened with Rainn. She was sleeping in tall grass when she was found.

 

[1&2&3]

Here's a good question for all you Mammas and Grandmothers.

This is the second child who has walked/run away already in 2016. What should we be teaching our 2-4 years old to do if they get separated from us outside? Go to the first house or store they see, stay in the spot they are, or what? Some 2-3 year olds may understand what you say, but may not remember when they are scared.

Your thought and ideas, please as we wait for news on Noah.

 

[ItsSoInteresting]

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[BlkMtnGirl]

Here's a good question for all you Mammas and Grandmothers.

This is the second child who has walked/run away already in 2016. What should we be teaching our 2-4 years old to do if they get separated from us outside? Go to the first house or store they see, stay in the spot they are, or what? Some 2-3 year olds may understand what you say, but may not remember when they are scared.

Your thought and ideas, please as we wait for news on Noah.

The National Association for Search and Rescue has a program called, "Hug a Tree." It teaches children ages 7-11 to stay put and "hug a tree." http://www.nasar.org/hug_a_tree_program

I'm going to start playing this little game with the baby this summer. I don't think he'll "get it" any time soon, but it can't hurt, right?

 

[Tillicum]

Here's a good question for all you Mammas and Grandmothers.

This is the second child who has walked/run away already in 2016. What should we be teaching our 2-4 years old to do if they get separated from us outside? Go to the first house or store they see, stay in the spot they are, or what? Some 2-3 year olds may understand what you say, but may not remember when they are scared.

Your thought and ideas, please as we wait for news on Noah.

I think I would teach them a short, simple song and tell them to stay put and sing as long and loud as they can. If they hear their name called, stay put and sing! I would sing the song with them every day so it's always fresh on their mind.

 

[JeannaT]

Here's a good question for all you Mammas and Grandmothers.

This is the second child who has walked/run away already in 2016. What should we be teaching our 2-4 years old to do if they get separated from us outside? Go to the first house or store they see, stay in the spot they are, or what? Some 2-3 year olds may understand what you say, but may not remember when they are scared.

Your thought and ideas, please as we wait for news on Noah.

Part of this is stay at home moms who are very attentive, IMHO. Which is what I was. Kids who are natural wanderers feel very comfortable and if they wander a distance away, no problem, mom will be there to come find the child. You rarely see kids doing this at daycare, where they might feel less secure in the support of mom. Kids who don't think they need to keep a watchful eye on their caretaker, IMHO, are the ones who wander off.

 

[tlcya]

Rumors grow legs by being repeated.

This reminder falls at random.

 

[Mountaingazer]

Here's a good question for all you Mammas and Grandmothers.

This is the second child who has walked/run away already in 2016. What should we be teaching our 2-4 years old to do if they get separated from us outside? Go to the first house or store they see, stay in the spot they are, or what? Some 2-3 year olds may understand what you say, but may not remember when they are scared.

Your thought and ideas, please as we wait for news on Noah.

I have three year old twins and a nine year old, they have all been out hiking with us since they were babies (though now they actually walk and hike themselves ). It has been drilled into them if they get lost to "hug a tree" / stay where they are. We would physically hug a tree at first as a fun way for it to be drilled into their muscle memory, but now they understand it means to stay right where they are.

We always give each kid a whistle, even if we are just on walking trails and they have neon hunting vests and then either a neon hat or handkerchief depending on the weather. They know if they are ever lost and they hear an airplane to jump around and wave the hat/handkerchief in the air.

Every time we go out (even just walking through the fields behind or house) we go over the safety rules and even the three year Olds have a great grasp on it.

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[Tawny]

The problem comes because the littles don't even realize they're in danger. They've wandered off, they're "free" from restriction, they may be playing or exploring. To them, this is fun. They're so entrenched in their own little toddler thoughts that by the time they become scared or hungry, they may be too far away for the games designed to find them to be effective.

I don't know what the answer is, honestly. Hoping Noah is found soon.

 

[Elainera]

Bethany Thompson ‏@WBBJ7Bethany now7 minutes ago Pinson, TN

Service underway at Pinson Baptist Church for #NoahChamberlin. Hearts and prayers are pouring out to #FindNoah

 

[Tillicum]

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[passionflower]

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36 degrees there now.
hypothermia? Oh this is so sad.............:grouphug: prayers

 

[Purplepixii]

Still nothing?
:crying:

 

[Elainera]

While we wait for news, I have a question concerning searches such as this where volunteers help.

What are they instructed to do if/when they find the child? Are they even allowed to touch the child (it could have a neck/spine injury)? Do they all carry water/food/blanket for the child? Or are they not allowed to give the child anything, have to wait until medical personnel has arrived? Every searcher would probably just want to take little Noah in their arms, warm him up, give him something to drink etc, but are they instructed to do this?

 

[wendybtn]

So the first article says he was with grandma and she lost sight of him. I wonder if she had other children with her? Is this woods behind houses and whatnot? Or did they go there for a walk? So scary. He is so little.


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Big woods behind the house and across the street; 4 year old sister.