Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #1

[margarita25]

Sorry one more question. Have there been incidents that a wild animal around here has harmed a human?


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Tons here in CO, can't speak for TN. Jmo
it does appear from some posts upstream though that is affirmative? Sorry in speed mode!!

 

[webweaved]

Living in the foothills of the mountains in north Georgia I can vouche that there were panthers in those woods. Even my mom didn't believe me for the longest until one night one came right to the tree line on the property and was skulking about and making this awful scream that honestly sounded a bit like a woman screaming. In my experience the mountain lions were quite elusive, but I was much larger (6 and up) than Noah.

Honestly...and I'm not being funny...after living basically in the NGA forest for the past 20 years...I wouldn't be surprised at what walks out of these woods. People pick up baby animals, tote them up here and let them go when they get too big. Panthers, bears, cougars, coyotes, unfortunately, we've seen all the above. At times I've seen things I don't even know what it was. I didn't go looking for it though. LOL I kept myself right in the house on those occassions. I thought they trapped that panther though? I could be wrong. Anyway...I doubt TN is any different than here in GA...it all backs up to each other. Woods are quiet (for the most part) lovely, beautiful, dark and dense...but proceed with caution at all times. You never know what is watching you! After living here a while, you get a 6th sense but you really gotta be tapped into your surroundings.

I know its being raining in Chester county, TN but what about SCAT (animal droppings)? Did they find animal droppings of something that would lead them to believe a BIG predator was nearby? Just a thought...Im still thinking he fell into something. Footing...and that false forest floor. I gotta take a break because my mind is racing thinking about this little boy missing. :heartbeat:

 

[margarita25]

In my experience I was actually more likely to come across them in winter.

Me too. And Spring.

 

[margarita25]

Honestly...and I'm not being funny...after living basically in the NGA forest for the past 20 years...I wouldn't be surprised at what walks out of these woods. People pick up baby animals, tote them up here and let them go when they get too big. Panthers, bears, cougars, coyotes, unfortunately, we've seen all the above. At times I've seen things I don't even know what it was. I didn't go looking for it though. LOL I kept myself right in the house on those occassions. I thought they trapped that panther though? I could be wrong. Anyway...I doubt TN is any different than here in GA...it all backs up to each other. Woods are quiet (for the most part) lovely, beautiful, dark and dense...but proceed with caution at all times. You never know what is watching you! After living here a while, you get a 6th sense but you really gotta be tapped into your surroundings.

I know its being raining in Chester county, TN but what about SCAT (animal droppings)? Did they find animal droppings of something that would lead them to believe a BIG predator was nearby? Just a thought...Im still thinking he fell into something. Footing...and that false forest floor. I gotta take a break because my mind is racing thinking about this little boy missing. :heartbeat:

Yes, yes re the scat. Add to the list of experts needed, wildlife experts who can identify scat, etc and help find any potentional dens if they exist.

 

[dyannaON]

This is more and more heartbreaking by the minute.


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[margarita25]

The thing I've heard about Mountain Lions is that they literally stalk you. They see you, but you don't see them. Then they pounce out and grab you by the jugular, and drag you back to the den as I understand it. Up here we have them huge, that look like National Geographic lions in Africa, 150 pounds plus, 6 plus feet on 2 legs. Look up the attack on 2 female cyclists, as well as the attack on the little boy who's group of companions literally had to fight the mountain lion and wrestle the boy from its mouth.

I heard Coyotes will follow along the creeks for a water source.

 

[TweekTweak]

IMOO, I do not understand why you would take a 2 & 4 year old on a walk 700 ft. in the woods in the winter.
I know we have had some pretty days, but really? Yes my back yard is woods, a farm no less. I can see along the line of the woods to walk and look at birds and then go back in for a nap.............frustrated.........JMOO

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned that it was a nice day in the high 60s-low 70s. In that case, it was a nice thing to do with the kids to burn off some energy and get some sun. Just didn't turn out so well.

 

[gnsndr33]

I logged on just hoping for good news! Im praying hard for this sweet boy! All these searchers and still no sign of him? Where are you??

 

[ClaireNC]

Lots of small children on these lists, margarita25, and a few adults. Some of the adults were fighting off the cougar after attacking their child.
List of fatal Cougar Attacks 1980s, 1990s, & 2000s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America#1990s

Scott Lancaster, 18, male January 14, 1991 Killed while jogging a familiar route on a hill above Clear Creek High School in Idaho Springs, Colorado.[10]

From that link, notice that it reports only 20 attacks in North America in 120 years. A cougar attack is very, very, very unlikely. I know we are all trying to find some answers here, but any kind of wild animal attack would be at the bottom of the list of possibilities. A human predator is much more likely. IMO

At least 20 people in North America were killed by cougars between 1890 and 2011, including six in California. More than two-thirds of the Canadian fatalities occurred on Vancouver Island in British Columbia. Fatal cougar attacks are extremely rare and occur much less frequently than fatal dog attacks, fatal snake bites, fatal lightning strikes, or fatal bee stings.

 

[AmyPond]

Here's a good question for all you Mammas and Grandmothers.

This is the second child who has walked/run away already in 2016. What should we be teaching our 2-4 years old to do if they get separated from us outside? Go to the first house or store they see, stay in the spot they are, or what? Some 2-3 year olds may understand what you say, but may not remember when they are scared.

Your thought and ideas, please as we wait for news on Noah.

I think it's hard to teach a 2-3 year old anything that would be helpful in these situations. I think it's more important for parents and caregivers to take every precaution possible. Bright clothes, a whistle. Of course, the main thing is to not let a child out of your sight. And don't leave your child in the care of someone who may not be as diligent. (Though how can you ever really know?)

Not that I doubt you...


But... do you have a link regarding it was the MATERNAL gma who was with Noah
When he disappeared?

TIA...:seeya:

I don't have an exactly link. I just matched her maiden name with the property owners where Noah went missing.

 

[margarita25]

How tall exactly is Noah, tia (in reference to depth re: the uprooted cedar tree holes).

(Woah, Foxfire, didn't you say something about cedar trees one time? Something abut a fence, a long time ago...maybe it was about a graveyard, sorry if O/T, I'm all over the place)

 

[ClaireNC]

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned that it was a nice day in the high 60s-low 70s. In that case, it was a nice thing to do with the kids to burn off some energy and get some sun. Just didn't turn out so well.

I so agree with this. In my family that is exactly what we do on a nice day in the winter. Makes my heart break for that poor grandma.

 

[AmyPond]

How tall exactly is Noah, tia (in reference to depth re: the uprooted cedar tree holes).

Woah, Foxfire, didn't you say something about cedar trees one time? A long time ago...

I don't know if his height has been given. But he average 2.5 year old is around 36 inches tall. (Obviously it varies though.)

 

[ILOKAL]

Sorry one more question. Have there been incidents that a wild animal around here has harmed a human?


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Mountain lions ONLY exist on meat. They shred their food and chew right through hide and bones. They are apex predators. They silently stalk their pray without being seen. They are elusive animals. Though they generally hunt from dusk til dawn, they hunt during the day also. Most attacks on humans HAVE been during the day. There isn't anything they won't attack and out west, they fell 700 pound elk and moose.

 

[ILOKAL]

From that link, notice that it reports only 20 attacks in North America in 120 years. A cougar attack is very, very, very unlikely. I know we are all trying to find some answers here, but any kind of wild animal attack would be at the bottom of the list of possibilities. A human predator is much more likely. IMO

20 deaths. Many more attacks. Many many more deaths suspected to have been from mountain lions. Lots of research and information is on the DeOrr Kunz Jr. Thread.

 

[dyannaON]

Mountain lions ONLY exist on meat. They shred their food and chew right through hide and bones. They are apex predators. The silently stack their pray without being seen. They are elusive animals. Tough they generally hunt from duck til dawn, they hunt during the day also. Most attacks on humans HAVE been during the day. There isn't anything they won't attack and out west, they fell 700 pound elk and moose.

Sweet Jesus I want to cry.


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[Foxfire]

Thank you for your post Foxfire. On the DeOrr Kunz, Jr. Thread I posted a lot of information on mountain lions. Some might want to read it to see how a mountain lion behaves and why it's quite possible that a mountain lion grabbed little Noah. Our cabin is 50 miles from Pinson. Hunting is popular throughout Tennessee. Only recently have officials admitted to cougars being in the area. Not long ago one was spotted in our county (Wayne County/Perry County). In TN, whitetail deer are the number one food source for mountain lions and there's plenty of deer there to sustain cougar habitation. Mountain lions are no longer considered just passing through in TN. IMO

Hey ILOKAL.. Wasn't familiar with the DeOrr Kunz, Jr. case. From a quick scan, it is possibly de javu, huh?

I was born in the Pyburn, TN community/pickwick and attended high school @ Central in Savannah. Have a lot of relatives scattered all over TN.
Yes, I'm aware that DNR denied mountain lion's existence. I had one come in on me calling while turkey hunting in north GA. Thought it was a deer til it got close and noticed it's fluid movement, color, and intent. I came out of my camo blind and don't know which one of us was surprised the most.. I saw a DNR Game Warden when I came out of the woods and shared the story. He said, "there is no mountain lions in these woods".. Guess, their little secret's out, huh?

 

[MsMarple]

[video=twitter;688815515972841473]https://twitter.com/WBBJ7Dan/status/688815515972841473[/video]
Dan Lampariello @WBBJ7Dan
#UPDATE - Latest info from our #WBBJ crews on the scene. Still no sign of Noah. #FindNoah
http://bit.ly/1JSWEsN

Oh, and Noah is reported to be two feet tall, 25 pounds. So tiny.

 

[margarita25]

20 deaths. Many more attacks. Many many more deaths suspected to have been from mountain lions. Lots of research and information is on the DeOrr Kunz Jr. Thread.

Dylan Redwine's as well. There is also a wealth of information is his threads discussing the many different types of tracking dogs, as well as their abilities to smell in water, air scent, etc...

Eta: I remember posting a pic of a "pride?" of mountain lions that would take your breath away...There's also a video on YouTube showing some coyotes vs a mountain lion (there is no physical altercation), I believe the video is from Yellowstone, shows the mountain lion on a tree trunck and it does not mooove a muscle, still as a staaatue for many many minutes as it watches them., amazing to watch...back to my map!!!!

 

[ILOKAL]

Yes, yes re the scat. Add to the list of experts needed, wildlife experts who can identify scat, etc and help find any potentional dens if they exist.

Mountain lions don't have permanent dens and move from place to place within their territory which is a huge area. They occupy day beds and change them constantly.