Found Deceased TN - Noah Chamberlin, 2, Pinson, 14 Jan 2016 - #2

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  • #541
We have been told that both the grandmother's home and Noah's home have been searched. I don't have a link to verify but I will post if I can find one.

No easy task with expiring periscope links foiling a WSer left and right!!!
:sigh:

I remember this from the now defunct Q&A (but can't recall if the reporter mentioned it or confirmed it)

Ugh! If I didn't 'scribe it, I can't say for certain.


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  • #542
JMOO but I do not blame the family for not putting themselves "out there" in front of the cameras. We all here at WS know their every word, move, emotion (or lack thereof) and facial expression would get picked apart and "read" by the public at large. In my opinion searching and co-operating with LE is what they should be doing. Maybe appoint someone to thank everyone for their help or let LE do it for them (which is what they are doing imo). I see nothing wrong with that.
 
  • #543
Has anyone seen or heard any mention of grandma's house septic tank to make sure it was checked? Just had that thought reading the playing in back yard whether incidental or what have you I think it would be worth checking it with all the rains.
 
  • #544
I wonder if there is a grandfather and if he was home when Noah went missing. I am not implying anything, just realizing I haven't read anything about the grandmother's husband. I did see something on social media about a grandfather being involved in the searches but it didn't clarify if it was the maternal or paternal grandfather and it wasn't a news report.

I wondered about a grandpa too. I don't know the answer but per the reporters' Q & A the grandma is the maternal grandparent. And oh man, does my heart break for her. I can't even imagine...
 
  • #545
I think the likelihood of Noah getting picked up on trail cam is pretty low. Their range isn't spectacular in wooded areas. Every camera I know of uses IR/heat recognition + motion to trigger and/or time lapse mode (which takes a picture every x amount of time during a specified time whether there is anything there or not). Time lapse mode isn't used much in wooded areas and IR+motion probably wouldn't capture anything more than 20-30 ft away. Maybe they had several on the property or maybe a neighboring property had several which would increase the probability of him being spotted, but I certainly wouldn't count on them providing much information. And due to the deer hunting season being over, I wouldn't be surprised if a great deal of them have been pulled until late spring/early summer.

Maybe a picture has shown up and that's why they are so focused on this particular area and why they're adamant he's in the search area. I'm just afraid that a single picture showing him walking the first day might lead to some serious tunnel vision. For instance a picture taken a 2 pm showing him heading north won't show if he immediately turned around and started heading east.

I'm curious as to what other info they are holding back. I can't believe with that many feet on the ground and rain the first night that no one has spotted a footprint anywhere. I really think they have something more than gut feelings leading them to keep searching this area. I just wish we knew.

I'm on board with everyone else thinking it's weird they won't confirm if the dogs have alerted to his scent anywhere. Maybe the answer is no and they are worried about more rumors spreading, but if the answer is yes, I think it would quiet down those who are convinced he wasn't even in the woods to begin with and maybe give everyone a little more hope to cling to.

In my unrealistic fantasy world, Noah has walked down a path that led to a little old lady's house. She scolded him about it being too cold to not have a jacket and offered him some hot chocolate and a blanket and since she doesn't have a TV, she has no idea that little Noah is missing and is just senile enough to believe it's her grandson coming for a visit. Her friend will break the case wide open Thursday when she comes to pick up her up for bingo.
 
  • #546
At the beginning of the thread is y feeble attempt at transcribing what was an 11+ Q&A session that was done on #periscope (an app that runs off @twitter) by @marandafaris of the @JSunNews

I managed to make my way through about half of it (with the SM commentary flying by at times at lightning speed) with her and another reporter's responses. I can attest to the fact that the trail cam issue was addressed here by them (as well as by reporters in previous interviews with CCSO Chief Weaver) in previous #periscope pressers. It should be on page 1 of this thread (I believe I Mama's it to Part 3?) along with a link to MsM's synopsis.

To say that LE and MSM have not been forthcoming about the trail cams is an understatement. AFAIK Little Noah has not been confirmed as spotted on any trail cams.

HTH.

#FindNoah


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I have seen that (and thanks again for it!), but, here's what the reporter (Miranda Faris) said: "They would not talk about the trail cams so we don't know if the grandmother was on the trail cams."

LE has consistently avoided talking about trail cameras. Why is everyone (reporters, the people asking those questions etc) assuming there are trail cameras at all?

Has LE come out and said, "yes, there are trail cams (but we're not discussing what, if anything, was found on them)"?

I do not remember them saying there were trail cams. I just know that they avoid answering questions that are/were asked about if there was any sign of grandma and the kids on trail cams.

I'm extremely tired tonight so I'm hoping I'm making sense.
 
  • #547
I have seen that (and thanks again for it!), but, here's what the reporter (Miranda Faris) said: "They would not talk about the trail cams so we don't know if the grandmother was on the trail cams."

LE has consistently avoided talking about trail cameras. Why is everyone (reporters, the people asking those questions etc) assuming there are trail cameras at all?

Has LE come out and said, "yes, there are trail cams (but we're not discussing what, if anything, was found on them)"?

I do not remember them saying there were trail cams. I just know that they avoid answering questions that are/were asked about if there was any sign of grandma and the kids on trail cams.

I'm extremely tired tonight so I'm hoping I'm making sense.

You're making perfect sense :) but I believe LE did address the deer cams on Saturday or Sunday. I'd have to dig out the pressers and am open to correction but I recall the sheriff simply stating that they looked at the cams and found nothing.

ETA: Here we go:

Mapes also addressed rumors regarding deer cameras, which he said showed no video related to Noah's disappearance. An Amber alert has not been issued because the investigation remains a search for a missing child, not an abducted child, Mapes said.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/local/2016/01/17/law-enforcement-continue-search-noah/78930184/
 
  • #548
It hinders because when people send them in it is just more to weed through and find info that is critical. Like say a cave nearby that few know about and you don't see on a map.

The thing is, though, that people are going to be sending these tips in either way, so why not give them some accurate info to work with? Then they might actually receive some helpful info.
 
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Have only been able to drop in once in awhile but have the grandparents or parents voluntarily agreed (without a warrant) to search their homes? If not, I'm wondering why not.

Well, word on the street, but of course, hasn't come from a news media source, is yes they voluntarily let them search both houses.
 
  • #551
Why aren't we told what time they went into the woods, length of time on nature hike, and what Grandmother did immediately upon noticing Noah gone? This is all important information.

Where was mother and father while children were visiting grandmother? When did they arrive?

The parents have not been officially identified in the news unless I missed it. A bit strange!
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Has the grandmother been officially identified?

It is these type of issues that take me to deeper issues. It appears that anything to do with the family is totally skipped in articles. Nothing personal has leaked or been given out. Oh, it may make a mention regarding the parents are amongst the search parties etc., but very little. Makes you ask yourself why?

We know nothing about this family. In fact, we know little of the missing child. Was he a climber, a runner, a talker, potty trained, liked to build with Legos or the magnetic toys? I haven't seen one description of little Noah.

And some people wonder how we could ever question the fact that Noah is not in these woods? This case is unlike others we follow. They each have their own peculiarities, however, they still follow similiar footsteps. This one has too many open-ended questions that the sheriff flatly refuses to acknowledge. There is a reason why that will come out! Where are those reporters that want a headline?

My opinions only.

I agree this case is like no other.....JMOO
 
  • #552
Well, word on the street, but of course, hasn't come from a news media source, is yes they voluntarily let them search both houses.

But just throwing this out there because I always play devil advocate. How well would the houses have been searched if they didn't believe any foul play was involved. They may not search as in depth as they would if there was actually a search warrant.
 
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I simply don't understand why Sheriff Weaver said that he couldn't discuss whether trail cameras in the woods showed signs of Noah / GM / sister. Why not even this small bit of information?

Love ur new avi. ;)
 
  • #555
Lots of info out there about scent dogs. There is so much to consider how a dog works off of scent. These 2 video's are pretty cool to watch. They use ash and baby powder to show how it disperses during different conditions like wind, sunlight, closer to the ground. Also I read that it's better to search in the evening or morning as air is rising and falling. I would also think the closer to the ground a person it the more the scent/rafts (They are made up of skin cells, hygiene products, bacteria, fungus, parasites, sweat, hormones, and enzymes. They are unique to each individual human. Even skin rafts from identical twins are different. These are what dogs smell.) that the scent wouldn't dissipate in the wind as much.

https://houndandthefound.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/ash-in-the-wind/ (Ash/powder video)
https://houndandthefound.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/how-scent-and-airflow-works/ (scent and airflow)
 
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  • #557
In regard to someone's earlier question about the number of sinkholes this just came up in my news feed from WMCTV:

"Edwin Grant of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was on hand during the press conference. The center recently posted a missing child poster on their website with Noah's photo and information.

The FBI and TBI are assisting local law enforcement in the search.

Officials are recommending people do not listen to rumors on social media. They are searching many leads and do not want to follow any false leads.

"This is one of the most thorough searches I've ever seen," Grant said.

Sheriff Blair Weaver said there is still no reason to distrust the family's story. Officials said they are still searching the woods because there is no reason to believe he would be anywhere else.

He said the wooded area where Noah disappeared is filled with sink holes, which have water in them and that could possibly be how Noah vanished so quickly. "

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/db_381569/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=qq3PnbZI
 
  • #558
You're making perfect sense :) but I believe LE did address the deer cams on Saturday or Sunday. I'd have to dig out the pressers and am open to correction but I recall the sheriff simply stating that they looked at the cams and found nothing.

ETA: Here we go:

Mapes also addressed rumors regarding deer cameras, which he said showed no video related to Noah's disappearance. An Amber alert has not been issued because the investigation remains a search for a missing child, not an abducted child, Mapes said.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/local/2016/01/17/law-enforcement-continue-search-noah/78930184/

Glad that made sense. Yes, that's what I tried to ask, lol. Thank you for looking that up. Now I do remember reading that, because I found it odd he said video and not pictures, or something more generic. Around here I don't know of anyone who has anything other than a picture trail camera. I remember raising an eyebrow and wondering if the sheriff was concealing some info (as in "I never said there were no pictures. I said there was no video").

Maybe I should just go to sleep. ;)
 
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Well, word on the street, but of course, hasn't come from a news media source, is yes they voluntarily let them search both houses.

I think they need to be searching the neighbors homes as well. Possibly from like day one or two at the latest.
 
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