Any number of people could be preparing all manner of nefarious things in their homes, but without "probable cause" LE's hands are seemingly tied.
The incident I linked back a few pages about the man building explosives in his house, they couldn't investigate that either until a gardener was injured by an exploding device buried in the yard. That particular man had also been fired from his job, because he liked to blow things up at his desk! There was a questionable history.
He was buying all sorts of powders and stuff openly as well.
On one hand you have baseless warrants putting innocent residents in danger, on the other, there could be untold people plotting horrible acts that can't be properly investigated.
As for this ex girlfriend, I hope she's not named...and is safe somewhere away from media.
Anthony Quinn Warner’s device, although probably made of common over-the-counter components, is unique in the annals of mayhem, according to seasoned FBI bomb experts consulted by SpyTalk.
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When you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry
Seems to help, I know, downtown
It sounds like something from a thriller -- the cheery, discordant tune playing over the creepy scene that portends bad things ahead (see "Stuck in the Middle with You" from "Reservoir Dogs," "Hip to be Square" from "American Psycho" and many others).
Seconds later, the blast ripped through a downtown Nashville block, injuring at least eight people and damaging more than 40 buildings.''
''But the tune, which climbed the charts during the 1964 Christmas season, celebrates the buzz of urban nightlife everywhere: neon lights, crowded sidewalks, music spilling from cafes and nightclubs.''
I'm someone who believes in freedom. I think it should be VERY hard for LE to bother people and they should be under great scrutiny. Murders by cops are far more common than bombings! There is at least one MNPD on trial for murder right now. That is far more disturbing to me than a guy blowing up a building and going out of his way to not hurt anyone but himself. I'm not anti-police. I'm anti-killing and anti-incompetent-public-servants.
In this case MNPD had a witness who said AQW had guns and was building bombs yet they failed to pursue. The police chief says they could not have gotten a warrant. I beg to differ but we'll never know because they failed to even try. AQW was a felon in possession of a firearm. That is enough for PC. MNPD just failed to look at their own records to figure out he was a felon. That is lazy and sloppy and someone posted a link from a LE expert earlier today supporting that view!
If I want to prepare explosives in my home to get rid of a stump I should be able to do so, and buy the required materials, without interrogation or surveillance by the government. I would be an idiot if I did that because I don't have the knowledge or expertise to do it safely. But I should have the freedom to be an idiot as long as I don't hurt anyone else or intrude on their rights.
I'm not right-wing, anti-government, or radical in any way except that I am greatful to live in a country with a Constitution that protects us from tyrannical goverment abuses and I would far rather let a few guilty people slip through than give up rights in the name of giving police more power. To me, one George Floyd or Breanna Harris is worth a million denied warrants. But again, in this case MNPD had what it needed!
Anthony Quinn Warner’s device, although probably made of common over-the-counter components, is unique in the annals of mayhem, according to seasoned FBI bomb experts consulted by SpyTalk.
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Same here... thought it was a joke. 'Had no clue it was an actual thing. I'm not sure if I concur these "lizard believers" are mentally ill - I just think some people are stupid.
Same. I've seen it on the Internet for years ... even referenced in pop culture by stand-up comedians and mocked in a South Park episode (they were crab people, not lizard people) over a decade ago. But, never did it cross my mind that it was ever more than a joke to people.
One document shows MS transferring one of the properties — specifically at 3724 Bakertown Road in Nashville, TN — while another shows a notarized signature by MS herself. The documents, if verified, strongly point to MS’s knowledge of the property transfers and a relationship with Warner. Incidentally, the documents may be part of a single, larger contract, though a few pages seem to be missing.
Another wrinkle is that the documents show MS transferring the property to BCL who has been identified as Anthony Quinn Warner’s mother. That follows information suggesting that BCL had been battling with Anthony Quinn Warner for ownership of the property following the death of Warner’s father, CE, Warner’s parents divorced prior CW’s death in 2011.
One explanation is that MS was not only connected to Anthony Quinn Warner, but also intimately involved in a family drama surrounding the property. The property at 3724 Bakertown Road is a relatively modest single-story residence.
Meanwhile, MS has assumed a very low profile after issuing some initial comments on the matter. The AEG exec declined to respond to any inquiries to Digital Music News. After getting partially doxxed by multiple news publications and social media users, MS has deleted her LinkedIn profile.
Investigators are scrutinizing whether Warner believed in multiple conspiracy theories after being told by some of the people they’ve interviewed that Warner believed that shape-shifting reptiles take on a human form to take over society and that he discussed taking trips to hunt aliens, the official said. Investigators have also been asking witnesses whether Warner may have believed in any conspiracies about 5G technology. Police on report Nashville bomber was making explosives: 'Hindsight is 20/20'
Millionaire entrepreneur and Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis has launched a nonprofit and donated $500,000 of his own money to benefit businesses damaged or destroyed by the Christmas Day bombing in Nashville.
“I would like to get a list of every local business that got wiped out from the explosion in Nashville. We will work together to provide solutions as a group... and find the funds necessary to rebuild and reopen #NashvilleStrong please help me put this together,” he wrote Saturday in the first of a series of tweets about the explosion.
Jeremy Jones, an attorney, poll watcher, absentee review panel member and vice president of the Catoosa County Republican Party, posted a false claim to social media, claiming that voting equipment was being shipped to AT&T in Nashville prior to the explosion.
"Because it is 2020, I immediately thought to myself, 'I wonder if this will be claimed to be a conspiracy related to the COVID vaccine, the election, or something new,'" he wrote in an email to the Times Free Press, titled "Birth of a Conspiracy," in which he claims his misinformation was a social experiment meant to combat false information. Catoosa County elections official spawns viral conspiracy about Nashville bombing
“She has threatened to take her own life and she has also given me information about another resident of that part of Nashville I think also got some mental and emotional problems, who was allegedly building bomb in his house on Bakertown Road, which is right off of Antioch Pike,” Throckmorton told the dispatcher. “And I have reason to believe that there might actually be more truth to what she’s telling me about him than what she’s telling me about herself.”
A lot of people are wondering… Is the reason that this was closed as unfounded is because the suspect is a white man who didn’t fit what metro perceived to be a terrorist profile, is it because they did not believe the woman who reported these allegations?” said Nashville Attorney David Horwitz. “I think it’s really important we get to the bottom of these questions in order to be able to determine the scope of potential liability involved in this case.”
Horwitz added that a lawsuit would be very difficult against a government entity with so many clauses that protect them, but he said, “It’s not impossible.”
Nashville police said on Wednesday that they did not have enough evidence to search the property of the man named as the Christmas Day bomber when they went to his house last year. Anthony Quinn Warner's girlfriend reportedly told police in August 2019 that he had talked about building bombs in an RV on his property. Nashville council member Zulfat Suara joins Amna Nawaz to discuss.
Amna Nawaz:
Nashville police said today that they did not have enough evidence to search the property of the man named as the Christmas Day bomber when they went to his house last year.
Anthony Warner's girlfriend reportedly told police in August of 2019 that he talked about building bombs in an R.V., but, when no one answered the door, the officers left, even though an R.V. was parked on the site.
All that has raised questions in the community.
Zulfat Suara is a city councilwoman-at-large. And she joins me now.
Amna Nawaz:
Councilwoman Suara, welcome to the "NewsHour," and thanks for making the time.
So, this latest news we have now from Nashville police, they say they repeatedly tried to make contacts, but they couldn't with Mr. Warner, and that they didn't have probable cause to search his properties. What's your reaction to that?
Zulfat Suara:
That that is not good enough, because for myself and a lot of people in my community, if it had been a Black person or a Muslim person, that door would have been — they would have done something.
They would have found a warrant. And to know it is not just an MNPD, it was FBI that notified, and nothing was done, somebody dropped the ball.
Amna Nawaz:
Well, let me ask you about the way this is being talked about, because it was back on Sunday the FBI said they don't have enough evidence to call him a domestic terrorist. I know a lot of questions have been raised about why we haven't called it terrorism.
Police say he has no significant criminal record. There's no evidence of any kind of specific ideology driving his action. What do you make of the way authorities are presenting this right now?
Zulfat Suara:
I think he's not just the authorities, the media, is people generally, the citizens, it's that there is a double standard when it comes to how we react to things like this.
We had an unfortunate event in Chattanooga not too long ago, where a Muslim man shot some people. And the FBI called — FBI called it an act of terrorism immediately. They did peddle back and said they shouldn't have.
But what is upsetting is that we're not consistent. There is a double standard in how we treat crimes. And we should not. We should not. Regardless of the faith or the color of the perpetrator, it is the crime that we should focus on. And we should treat it all the same.
Amna Nawaz:
When it comes to the investigation now, which they say is ongoing, and they're searching for any possible motive they can find, what is it that you and other local Nashville leaders and residents there want to see happen next?
Zulfat Suara:
I would like to see the investigation lead to where we actually know what happened.
We need to make sure that we also look at, how do we stop something like this from happening again? We need to have a conversation about how do police deal with tips and things like that. And, for me, I'm hoping that this tragedy allows us to also have a conversation about what people in the Black and brown community has been talking about, which is the double standard.
And so I'm hoping that all of this, it's a tragedy, but I hope that we have the opportunity to start having a conversation on, how do we deal with this, how do we stay consistent, and how do the police, the government and all of us react to something like this?
I want to say that, if it's a Muslim, the backlash would have been on the community, will be on his mosque, his family. Somebody like myself would have received e-mail. And I'm not seeing that.
And why the hesitancy on the part of everybody is baffling. But I hope it's a learning opportunity for all of us as a community.
Amna Nawaz:
When you look at the images from that day, the sheer enormity of the blast is really breathtaking.
And we're fortunate that no one else was killed, and really largely due to the actions of the police that day. What has been the impact of that blast in Nashville? How have people that have been reacting?
Zulfat Suara:
It took out about 41 buildings, when you see the images. Thank God, nobody was killed. The businesses will have to rebuild.
And Nashville has been through a lot this year. We had a tornado. We're dealing with COVID. So, it's been — it's been a lot. But, as we talk about the tragedy, as we talk about our police, what police did a year ago, it is important for us to also make sure that we acknowledge the heroism of the officers that were on the ground, because, because of them, we were able to save a lot of lives.
And we should be able to acknowledge that. And I'm grateful that they did that and that we were able to save a lot of lives.
Amna Nawaz:
Councilwoman-at-Large in Nashville Zulfat Suara, thank you so much for making the time to be with us today.
Zulfat Suara:
Thank you for having me, and a happy new year to everyone.
"He'd said it to her on numerous occasions, allegedly," Throckmorton said. "My understanding is he never showed her anything. He would just boast or brag about it."
According to the attorney, AQW mentioned to him that he was in the Navy, although police have no military records for him.
The girlfriend called the attorney numerous times with claims about AQW that bordered on paranoia. She accused him of stalking, poisoning/drugging her and breaking into her house at night. I wonder why the bomb making claim was more believable.
Bobby Young, a former MNPD detective in the department's specialized investigation division: "You clearly can't just kick in the door based off a tip."
Joel Siskovic, a spokesperson for the FBI in Memphis: "...basically if there had been any reason to believe that there was a crime, specifically a federal crime, then we would have taken further steps."
The impact on emergency services may have raised the most serious flags. At one point, roughly a hundred 911 centers had service problems in Tennessee alone, said Brian Fontes, head of the National Emergency Number Association. A 911 call center should still be operational even if there is damage to a phone company’s hub, said David Turetsky, a lecturer at the University at Albany and a former public safety official at the Federal Communications Commission. If multiple call centers were out of service for several days, “that is of concern,” he said. Nashville bombing spotlights vulnerable voice, data networks
Probably a dumb question but do you think it's possible the police only looked up his informal name Tony instead of his given name Anthony? Perhaps that's why they didn't find anything in their records about him being a felon. Like maybe he only went by Anthony at the time of his arrest and then only/usually went by Tony at the time that the girlfriend and lawyer reported his bomb making? Just a thought. I haven't read/watched everything about the case so this may be answered already.
Anthony Quinn Warner’s device, although probably made of common over-the-counter components, is unique in the annals of mayhem, according to seasoned FBI bomb experts consulted by SpyTalk.
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This ^^
I was thinking about this yesterday. Did he test any bombs previously and where? Given the lead up to the event with the audio and countdown, I suspect he was certain his contraption was built for a successful explosion. It seems he would have tested it on smaller scales in the past.
I have also been pondering the words from the ex-girlfriend and the attorney. The attorney:
Warner “knows what he is doing and is capable of making a bomb,” Throckmorton told responding officers.
What had the attorney seen or heard from the ex or AQW to feel so certain in his belief in AQW’s capabilities? Even in the 911 call the Attorney pointed to it along the lines of believing that to be even more true than the suicide threat from the ex.
Is knowing of one having an electrical or IT background enough for someone to feel confident in ones ability to make bombs or was there something more specific that made him believe this. I’m curious how Throckmorton reached this accurate conclusion in 2019. Is there something that can be learned from this to prevent a similar event in the future. Police on report man was making bombs: 'Hindsight is 20/20'
Second area that I have been pondering, is plural “bombs”. Not a bomb. According the the attorney:
"He'd said it to her on numerous occasions, allegedly," Throckmorton said. "My understanding is he never showed her anything. He would just boast or brag about it."
Was she the only one he would boast or brag to? And while he acted as a lone wolf, I hope they have been able to confirm via an account of order records, financials, etc. that he hasn’t built one for anyone else.
Probably a dumb question but do you think it's possible the police only looked up his informal name Tony instead of his given name Anthony? Perhaps that's why they didn't find anything in their records about him being a felon. Like maybe he only went by Anthony at the time of his arrest and then only/usually went by Tony at the time that the girlfriend and lawyer reported his bomb making? Just a thought. I haven't read/watched everything about the case so this may be answered already.
Highly unlikely they used his nick name. LE has access to property records, motor vehicle tags and registration records all containing social security, DOB and legal name.
The only conviction AW had was in the 1970s for pot. Coming from the 70s myself, its not unusual. He was a law abiding citizen, owned property, paid taxes, had numerous vehicles, had a job..... until the bomb.
No, they had the right records, and nothing but a GFs word, "he said, he was making bombs". The attorney made clear, the GF, nor he saw no physical evidence.
Without evident, judges will not sign off on search warrants, Search warrants must meet a set of guidelines and this situation, did not. So unfortunate.
Anthony Quinn Warner’s device, although probably made of common over-the-counter components, is unique in the annals of mayhem, according to seasoned FBI bomb experts consulted by SpyTalk.
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