GUILTY TN - SLP, 14, found alive, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #6 *ARRESTS*

[ilovechili]

It may be very hard to prove the molestation (rape) in Georgia since it would be a "he said, she said" situation because the mother has said she didn't know anything was going on. No other adults could testify now that they knew something was going on because they could be charged. Those years of abuse may never be prosecuted. But they could probably be taken into consideration at sentencing so the maximum sentence could be imposed in Tennessee.

And this is exactly where I have a problem. Without a video would this child have an arrest of him nowadays? Or be protected?

To me, that video can probably be used for the prior charges I would guess, why couldn't it? He didn't exactly probably say what, why, I have never before done this to you now did he...? Was he mortified or acted like it was the first time in this video and he struggled with his conscience? Wording this as carefully as I can. As a juror, that would have a pretty big impact on me for charges beyond this one time...

Maybe it is the fact there is time to charge. Let's see what he gets sentenced with on this charge and then decide on other or further charges. I hope.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just thoughts...

But they have time to charge him with any other charges...

He has a very well known attorney for such cases...

He may very well like if anyone is following the KB case may have some dam*ing evidence against RJP. Or testimony. Hearsay is one thing but excited utterances and other things can be allowed when hearsay... Lawyers could weigh in on this here because I do not know but have seen it, and federal versus various states may differ.

Like it or not, there has been some time/years she was being molested and SP may well have had a bit of a clue as to who she was leaving home for and been in total agreement. In no way do I mean she can consent at her age, just that it may mitigate in some ways or could.

I at 12 or 13 was so naive it was scary, this child if to believe it started a decade or more ago, has known far more than most of us who did not go through what she has in her own home.

After reading the KB preliminary hearing things, if KK can be cut a deal it changes one's perceptions... I guess make a deal with a possible devil to get the one that is a devil for sure...

jmo and just my own speculation.

They don't need to make a 'deal' with BR against RP and they won't IMO. He's in deep dodo as well he should be right along with RP.

Both are sick and depraved.

 

[ilovechili]

They don't need to make a 'deal' with BR against RP and they won't IMO. He's in deep dodo as well he should be right along with RP.

Both are sick and depraved.

I do not disagree and that is exactly what I meant. Hopefully if there is evidence both will be put away if deserved. In the other case, both are depraved and they cut what looks like a sweet deal with one devil to get the bigger devil. And most are hoping there is more to it and she is put away as well.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I love this--it started with RJP. It may have ended with the other guy, we can see wait to see what the intent was--but it started with Randall Pruitt. Why is his name not being shouted out to the world. It takes a video for ONE CHARGE. ONE. Would there even be a charge otherwise?

Chili friend it's because of the gag order IMO. We're not getting the information like we got from BR's initial defense statement. IIRC, we haven't heard anything from RP or the family about the particulars and we probably won't. I personally don't need to hear the dets but I do want RP locked up and the key thrown away big time.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It may be very hard to prove the molestation (rape) in Georgia since it would be a "he said, she said" situation because the mother has said she didn't know anything was going on. No other adults could testify now that they knew something was going on because they could be charged. Those years of abuse may never be prosecuted. But they could probably be taken into consideration at sentencing so the maximum sentence could be imposed in Tennessee.

BBM Did SP's mom make a public statement about that? I don't recall seeing it, but that's not to say I didn't miss it either.

 

[ilovechili]

Well riddle me this- KK is going to get away with a lot because she turned on PF and gave information about things she partook in to help kill Kelsey.

While I wish BR had done things differently, he got SP out of that miserable existence and helped her, has his name splashed all over the place in the news, social media, meanwhile, Mr. Randall Pruitt, the actual offender- nary a word in the press about him since his arrest and there's a gag order going on in his case.

Again, not condoning how BR handled this, but let's face it, without that video and him coming to get her and help her mail her letter and video to the FBI, she would probably be shot dead and skinned like her dog by her step father, or she may have killed herself.

It's so sad she had no one else that she could trust in her own world to help her. I think she knew that no matter who she told, even a friend, eventually she would have been forced back home with that monster. At least BR got her out of that situation, right or wrong.

Still waiting for the sexual assault charges on BR.

I just read this again and ran into it again when reviewing missed pages. So well said and so very true.

My total speculation is they know he lied as she was later found there but was he lying to protect her or for what reason? So they can charge that. They have evidence. He denied, but she was found there hours later. But in continuing to interview, etc., are finding that SP may entirely deny it was his choice and she asked him to not give her up pending knowledge that her stepdad was arrested and they do not have enough corroboration or a willing witness to charge anything else. Right or wrong, the charges have not resulted so far.

And I sure hope people understand with me, I am not necessarily defending him, it is as you say, the anger these days is at this man, not adopto-dad. I feel almost like the tide is trying to be turned.

Does anyone wonder if she has tried or had evidence before but perhaps it disappeared or did not work? Was that in her letter to the agency, that she tried and LE or someone else failed her? This girl, I believe, tried to get help before. She knew it was going to take more or a lot and was NOT going to be found until someone believed it and he was arrested.

Total speculation and jmo based on what we do know. If true, it is extremely sad a child would have to go to this extent. And even then, the proof will probably be disputed by a defense attorney.

 

[MsMarple]

Odd isn't it? Mr. Randall Pruitt deserves protection??? Who is he? I mean his d**k is in a video. With his morning cup of coffee. On that note, I am going to tone down. Sorry...

JMOO I don't think the gag order is in place to protect RP. Right now anyone reading about this case is already aware of his disgusting assaults on SLP. Rather, IMO the gag order is there to protect the integrity of the case.

It's already very likely that the defense will ask for a change of venue due to the notoriety of RP's offenses. So publishing further evidence LE finds in msm would only inflame the public more (and I'll bet dollars to donuts there is a helluva lot more to be discovered).

There may be witnesses who should not be named right now or give interviews in order to preserve their statements, not to mention we may still see charges laid against mom. Plus, there may be DCFS reports on the family.

All this is only supposition on my part. As much as I want to see RP's dirty laundry aired I do understand that the case needs to be tried in court with a jury and if a gag order will contribute to RP getting a fair trial then I can live with it. I don't want to see a conviction overturned. MOO.

P.S. I know media lawyers often successfully petition the court to lift gag orders, Heather Elvis and Tara Grimstead for example, among others.

 

[ilovechili]

JMOO I don't think the gag order is in place to protect RP. Right now anyone reading about this case is already aware of his disgusting assaults on SLP. Rather, IMO the gag order is there to protect the integrity of the case.

It's already very likely that the defense will ask for a change of venue due to the notoriety of RP's offenses. So publishing further evidence LE finds in msm would only inflame the public more (and I'll bet dollars to donuts there is a helluva lot more to be discovered).

There may be witnesses who should not be named right now or give interviews in order to preserve their statements, not to mention we may still see charges laid against mom. Plus, there may be DCFS reports on the family.

All this is only supposition on my part. As much as I want to see RP's dirty laundry aired I do understand that the case needs to be tried in court with a jury and if a gag order will contribute to RP getting a fair trial then I can live with it. I don't want to see a conviction overturned. MOO.

P.S. I know media lawyers often successfully petition the court to lift gag orders, Heather Elvis and Tara Grimstead for example, among others.

I entirely agree. I guess just a bit upset that he is not being portrayed as the monster he is. And yes, it could show no impartial jury could be found short of finding a jury who consists of people off of the grid with no TV, internet, newspaper, etc. Yet in other cases, the same does not occur.

I truly think that one day, law is going to have to not be so slow and catch up with ever changing technology. They can try to ignore there is an internet and people discuss such things and look for any tidbit in any case; or ignore that children are bullied over the internet; or ignore that games exist that are ahead of our laws and parents that have built in problems. Another example is drones and private flying devices. They are out there, but our laws have not caught up. It will be the Jetson era with archaic laws while I can use a Beam Me Up Scottty Machine to pop into anyone's house Just saying...

ETA that the games have built in problems is what I meant.

 

[ilovechili]

Chili friend it's because of the gag order IMO. We're not getting the information like we got from BR's initial defense statement. IIRC, we haven't heard anything from RP or the family about the particulars and we probably won't. I personally don't need to hear the dets but I do want RP locked up and the key thrown away big time.

Great point. I think the case of KB sent me over the edge this week. Then the letter from JP. Then I see the focus on BR in this case and think, wow, so many devils and I think the focus should be on the bigger ones.

I hope he is locked away (RJP) and never sees another day outside of a prison/jail/bars.

 

[MsMarple]

I entirely agree. I guess just a bit upset that he is not being portrayed as the monster he is. And yes, it could show no impartial jury could be found short of finding a jury who consists of people off of the grid with no TV, internet, newspaper, etc. Yet in other cases, the same does not occur.

I truly think that one day, law is going to have to not be so slow and catch up with ever changing technology. They can try to ignore there is an internet and people discuss such things and look for any tidbit in any case; or ignore that children are bullied over the internet; or ignore that games exist that are ahead of our laws and parents that have built in problems. Another example is drones and private flying devices. They are out there, but our laws have not caught up. It will be the Jetson era with archaic laws while I can use a Beam Me Up Scottty Machine to pop into anyone's house Just saying...

ETA that the games have built in problems is what I meant.

I'm personally in favor of professional juries but I doubt I'll see that in my lifetime, lol.

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM Did SP's mom make a public statement about that? I don't recall seeing it, but that's not to say I didn't miss it either.

CP spoke with WATE 6:

WATE 6 On Your Side spoke with the mother of the 14-year-old girl, who says she had no idea about any of it and is focusing on coping, her three other children, and getting to see her 14-year-old daughter again after learning everything from authorities.
Adoptive father of missing teen arrested, charged with rape

 

[girlhasnoname]

I just read this again and ran into it again when reviewing missed pages. So well said and so very true.

My total speculation is they know he lied as she was later found there but was he lying to protect her or for what reason? So they can charge that. They have evidence. He denied, but she was found there hours later. But in continuing to interview, etc., are finding that SP may entirely deny it was his choice and she asked him to not give her up pending knowledge that her stepdad was arrested and they do not have enough corroboration or a willing witness to charge anything else. Right or wrong, the charges have not resulted so far.

And I sure hope people understand with me, I am not necessarily defending him, it is as you say, the anger these days is at this man, not adopto-dad. I feel almost like the tide is trying to be turned.

Does anyone wonder if she has tried or had evidence before but perhaps it disappeared or did not work? Was that in her letter to the agency, that she tried and LE or someone else failed her? This girl, I believe, tried to get help before. She knew it was going to take more or a lot and was NOT going to be found until someone believed it and he was arrested.

Total speculation and jmo based on what we do know. If true, it is extremely sad a child would have to go to this extent. And even then, the proof will probably be disputed by a defense attorney.

I have to counter point here LOL.....
SP is 14 and unable legally able to consent to any of the acts BR is charged with. Period. We can't dictate morality, but we <society> can darn well dictate legal consequences of those acts if found guilty.

SP could have 'thought' in her mind BR was her friend, knight in shining armor, any and all of that. But she's a 14 year old child of sexual abuse, apparently suicidal and desperate. BR took advantage of a very vulnerable SP, perhaps she couldn't recognize it bc of the traumatic victimization she has suffered at the hands of RP.

SP reiterated to BR a few times that she did not want to make that tape, did not. He insisted she do it, withholding 'help' if not complying, instead of choosing almost any other option available that would occur to anybody I know UNLESS there were ulterior motives.

SP is the victim here, a victim of both RP and BR. I fear for her ability to overcome the physical and psychological damage inflicted on her by them, and any other person who knew who did nothing to help her.

Keeping the hope for a brighter future and recovery for SP always.

ETA: MOO

 

[ilovechili]

I'm personally in favor of professional juries but I doubt I'll see that in my lifetime, lol.

It won't ever happen. Do you mean like a juror that is a plumber that could say what is replaced for a pipe what was found in the old one and how long it could have been there? Or a carpet layer that removed one carpet and replaced it? A sheetrocker would be another example. Lol, trying for some lightness. Or a doctor to say which expert, the defense or prosecution, is a quack? If such did happen, it would probably be cause for appeal since these days the rights of defendants seem to be paramount to the rights of victims.

I for one would like to hear more about the new technology regarding sexual contact as was used in this case. I think victims and people need to know it can be proven past what most of us think it can.

 

[girlhasnoname]

CP spoke with WATE 6:

WATE 6 On Your Side spoke with the mother of the 14-year-old girl, who says she had no idea about any of it and is focusing on coping, her three other children, and getting to see her 14-year-old daughter again after learning everything from authorities.
Adoptive father of missing teen arrested, charged with rape

Thanks PM, but I have to be honest based on talking to a lot of mothers of daughters and posters here, the odds of her not knowing anything was going on doesn't seem probable to me. So sad that SP didn't have anybody with her true best interests at heart it seems.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Great point. I think the case of KB sent me over the edge this week. Then the letter from JP. Then I see the focus on BR in this case and think, wow, so many devils and I think the focus should be on the bigger ones.

I hope he is locked away (RJP) and never sees another day outside of a prison/jail/bars.

I feel ya'! I had to step back from KB for a few days. My heart hurt.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks PM, but I have to be honest based on talking to a lot of mothers of daughters and posters here, the odds of her not knowing anything was going on doesn't seem probable to me. So sad that SP didn't have anybody with her true best interests at heart it seems.

JMO

I don't believe for one minute CP didn't know what was going on.
MOO

 

[ilovechili]

I have to counter point here LOL.....
SP is 14 and unable legally able to consent to any of the acts BR is charged with. Period. We can't dictate morality, but we <society> can darn well dictate legal consequences of those acts if found guilty.

SP could have 'thought' in her mind BR was her friend, knight in shining armor, any and all of that. But she's a 14 year old child of sexual abuse, apparently suicidal and desperate. BR took advantage of a very vulnerable SP, perhaps she couldn't recognize it bc of the traumatic victimization she has suffered at the hands of RP.

SP reiterated to BR a few times that she did not want to make that tape, did not. He insisted she do it, withholding 'help' if not complying, instead of choosing almost any other option available that would occur to anybody I know UNLESS there were ulterior motives.

SP is the victim here, a victim of both RP and BR. I fear for her ability to overcome the physical and psychological damage inflicted on her by them, and any other person who knew who did nothing to help her.

Keeping the hope for a brighter future and recovery for SP always.

We all agree on the same outcomes; the hope that the victims that are found safe do great, overcome and rise above what these creeps did.

I would also counter in one sense. We have seen discussion but probably far from all of it. Each side is using what works in their interest at this time, prosecution and defense.

She most definitely is a minor; he most definitely is twice her age. She also could not consent to my knowledge to a HIPPA consent or knowledge she had sexual contact with someone in the past three to five days or two weeks. I guess we will learn or we will never know how that was allowed to be stated or if a parent or authority granted the right. On the other hand, with regard to a crime (an atty could answer) maybe none of same is needed.

Yet as far as making the tape, we have no idea if there was a prior exchange that she tried to get stepdad arrested maybe before, or in GA (by the way the date of what we know as their first exchange she was still in GA) but failed because of lack of proof for a discussion of what she needed for positive proof; what he needed to be able to help, etc.

In no way is that a defense of him, it is just saying that why was the conversation we have seen considered proof? Where is the convo before it jumped into my stepdad is molesting me? I know times have changed but one does not generally approach a stranger and just come out with that first. Hey, hi, my name is so and so and I don't know you but my stepdad is molesting me again I don't know you but will you drive all these miles and help me?

NOT in any way whatsoever putting this on her; I THANK GOD she is alive and safe. And in no way is a minor at fault, both men are. But I am saying with regard to BR there is more to this. With regard to JRP not sure if anyone wants to know how much more there is and how many real charges this CREEP deserves.

These are the sticking points for me.

 

[ilovechili]

I feel ya'! I had to step back from KB for a few days. My heart hurt.

I have not caught up and took a break from it too on just over a day. It destroys. It seems to me so many people could have saved her if they had just come forward. I somehow have to learn how to develop a thicker skin. And I am not the family, how do they deal with it? I have convicted both PF and KK in that case. Yet she was cut a deal.

So that I do not get this deleted, I will tie it to this case. Video evidence may have been needed; otherwise what proof works these days? A deal with an accomplice as in the other case?

 

[kkdj]

And this is exactly where I have a problem. Without a video would this child have an arrest of him nowadays? Or be protected?

To me, that video can probably be used for the prior charges I would guess, why couldn't it? He didn't exactly probably say what, why, I have never before done this to you now did he...? Was he mortified or acted like it was the first time in this video and he struggled with his conscience? Wording this as carefully as I can. As a juror, that would have a pretty big impact on me for charges beyond this one time...

Maybe it is the fact there is time to charge. Let's see what he gets sentenced with on this charge and then decide on other or further charges. I hope.

I think SP's action(s) and reaction(s) in the video will go to show that this was not a new or unusual event to her. It will display a lack of shock (by SP) and a knowing of what is going on. A jury will realize she had been being raped for some time. jmo

 

[kkdj]

I don't believe for one minute CP didn't know what was going on.
MOO

Me either. She had to have known. jmo