Found Safe TN - SLP, 14, Madisonville, Monroe County, 13 Jan 2019 #5 *ARRESTS*

[gitana1]

TWO: She again tries to get help without recording her own rape, "I just can’t promise I’ll get the evidence". He remains unmoved by how horrified she is by what he is suggesting, "Then I can’t promise I can get you away from that I hate to say it but I can’t risk getting trouble for you. If you can get that video I can get you out of there but without it you will just wind up back with your dad and I’ll be in trouble"

How do we know that at least in this one incidence that he's not saying crap I'm gonna get a horseload of trouble for kidnapping you if we don't have evidence to show WHY I'M TAKING YOU?

Because we can't take this one incidence out of context. It is in the context of an entire conversation in which she expresses her utter devastation an the threat to her sanity as the possibility of enduring a rape on camera and sending it to a man she never met, yet he keeps coldly insisting she can't be helped any other way.

She sent it to him via email. The police don't have email?

 

[Bugurl747]

As a parent with a daughter, I am again horrified reading the details of this case. It evokes a lot of internal emotion.

The desperation in this innocent-little-girl's-voice, and then the dismissive tone and coercion by this 31 year old man regarding being continually raped and threatened by her adoptive father with a mother who doesn't believe her. And there were more kids in the house.

Heartbreaking.

 

[gitana1]

I know that's how its SUPPOSED to work but how is this guy, 31 years old, with no law background (only weather) and no children gonna know whether the authorities won't CALL AHEAD or bring SP into harms way in another way before help can get to her. I mean we've all seen how badly bungled some of these cases can be. I understand that he did wrong, BADLY wrong, but what I'm saying is I don't yet fully believe he did it intentionally. We shall see. And his future is already ruined for helping this child to be away from the evil one.

I believe reading his conversation reveals who he is and what he wanted. For me it wasn't about helping her. I think he wanted to see that video. His conversation is manipulative and disingenuous. There is no real, sincere discussion there as to other options and to what the risks could be as to all.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Privacy laws. Takes forever

I would have thought done very quickly because of exigent circumstances it would have been done very quickly. Kind of like when they enter the house the second time?

Then again, they may have just thought she was a typical run away and no problem.?

Shout out to FBI in law enforcement, if the sheets are missing on a bed when somebody is missing, make it Priority please that the person is endangered.

 

[Jim_M]

Because we can't take this one incidence out of context. It is in the context of an entire conversation in which she expresses her utter devastation an the threat to her sanity as the possibility of enduring a rape on camera and sending it to a man she never met, yet he keeps coldly insisting she can't be helped any other way.

She sent it to him via email. The police don't have email?

Hmmm. Could his sending that file, in an email, constitute distribution? Added to his negligence in demanding the child- tape per se?

 

[oviedo]

Because we can't take this one incidence out of context. It is in the context of an entire conversation in which she expresses her utter devastation an the threat to her sanity as the possibility of enduring a rape on camera and sending it to a man she never met, yet he keeps coldly insisting she can't be helped any other way.

She sent it to him via email. The police don't have email?

Yes, they do and so does the FBI. He could have immediately, without opening it, emailed it and said look what is happening - how can this child be helped? Nope, he jumped in his car and drove to pick her up, smashed her cell phone and made sure he didn't use toll roads (from the complaint). If he had just told his mother immediately when she first confided in him in December - things could be different for him IMO. Now you have a 31 year old man and his mother working together to help a 14 year old abused child from far off. Completely different scenario and I am quite certain Mom would not have insisted on video of the rape. JMO.

 

[gitana1]

Hmmm. Could his sending that file, in an email, constitute distribution? Added to his negligence in demanding the child- tape per se?

It is an element of what he's already been charged with. But I don't know if it could be relevant to another charge.

 

[human]

This is on their home page. They are not first responders, they are by referral. SP was terrified of RP and she had no knowledge of how protected she would be if she called a number like this. If BDR did the same LE would have been sent out to the home. We do not know, nor did SP what LE protocols are in this situation and I don't think SP trusted anyone in the area.

If you are concerned that a child you know may be a victim of abuse,
call your local law enforcement agency
or Dane County Human Services at 608-261-5437.

He could have done that or asked to speak to someone at the Safe Harbor. Safe Harbor is in Madison. I am quite sure someone would have talked with him about the problems.

He had the tape. He had the proof. He could explain the fears for her safety.

Seriously, I cannot imagine anyone on WS asking a child to make a rape tape. Then driving for miles and taking said child into your home.

 

[kkdj]

I believe she wrote the six page letter outlining the rapes etc. after she got to Wisconsin.

But BR had it in texts and/or emails he could have shown the authorities to get her help immediately.

 

[human]

What if she had talked to someone on this game site and they called the police while she was home and her parents denied everything. What would have happened. Scary

In the case of sexual abuse in MN, the child is taken from the home, usually at school without the parents’ permission if the parent is being accused. In this case, she was in the home. So they would arrive there unannounced.

She would be taken hopefully to a place where she would ve interviewed. Three year old’s are interviewed successfully. I think she would do a great job. And a medical exam would tell the tale.

 

[Bugurl747]

(I love this post so much I was trying to hold back from screaming “I Love Youuuu!!!!”)

YES, Margarita! I sat in front of my computer screen for a while writing and deleting - struggling to find the words.

<<<Honestly, I wanted a standing ovation with passionate clapping, and loud, VERY LOUD whistling. I'm a loud whistler >>>>

 

[human]

Would they have removed her? The parents could have talked their way out of this and LE could have given them the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, they would have removed her

 

[human]

I would have thought done very quickly because of exigent circumstances it would have been done very quickly. Kind of like when they enter the house the second time?

Then again, they may have just thought she was a typical run away and no problem.?

Shout out to FBI in law enforcement, if the sheets are missing on a bed when somebody is missing, make it Priority please that the person is endangered.

There was a lawsuit about privacy several years ago.

 

[human]

Hmmm. Could his sending that file, in an email, constitute distribution? Added to his negligence in demanding the child- tape per se?

Sending it to LE? If a problem, perhaps they could have driven to his house and copied his computer?

Hm. Perhaps he would not like that.

 

[kkdj]

Has anyone heard anything about the detention hearing?

 

[Jim_M]

I have been thinking about this as best I can from SP's perspective not mine.

It has been suggested that she should have gone to the hospital, told them what happened and asked for a rape kit. I cannot find a hospital in Madisonville, there is one in Sweetwater and in Athens but none listed in Madisonville. Besides, are we expecting her to get up off that bed, literally, pull herself together, leave the house on foot and WALK toward Madisonville, not knowing where she is going? She was moved from Georgia and kept isolated on that farm outside of town. And, she was scared to death of her parents.

It has been suggested that she tell her friends. She had no friends in Tennessee, they were all back in Georgia. She had been on that farm for approximately a month, had not attended school. She was isolated. Where would she make friends?

Some of the solutions or "what she should have done" or what BDR should have done are from folks like me sitting in my safe living room. I haven't walked in her shoes or his either for that matter so I am going to look at this through a more positive lense.

And, I fully expected to get pounded for this point of view.

A quite valid POV imo. SLP would have needed a way off of 'the farm.' She had no one!

 

[oviedo]

Has anyone heard anything about the detention hearing?

I can't find anything yet...

 

[AbbeyBabbey]

I would bank money he was more than "her gaming buddy who helped her get away from her nasty step-father."
She might have thought that at first, but she will come around to realize the truth of his agenda, if she hasn't already. moo

No matter what, he will ALWAYS be her hero.

 

[gitana1]

Would they have removed her? The parents could have talked their way out of this and LE could have given them the benefit of the doubt.

He had her written communications. That's evidence. They'd remove her based on that.

Or one could repeatedly urge a desperate and terrified child to record herself being raped and send it to him, even though she's begging for help without having to do that.

And then drive hundreds of miles and take the kid not to LE but hidden in your home after smashing her cell phones. Despite having the evidence he claimed he needed so he wouldn't get in trouble.

None of this makes sense. If it was good enough for him feel he could go get her without getting in trouble, it was good enough to take her straight to the police with. If it wasn't, and he was so scared of his own legal risk, why would he take her anyhow?

One call. He's 31. He had written evidence. One call. He knew better.

 

[Bugurl747]

No matter what, he will ALWAYS be her hero.

Perhaps, but as previously posted -- I hope that when the time is right someone sits down with her and explains that he wasn't the night in shining armor she may or may not perceive him as to prevent the cycle of victimization for her. MOO

 

[Rosiebones]

Court document reveals new details, allegations in case involving Madisonville teen
This document says that she wrote the six page letter after she was in Wisconsin. BDR did not have it (because it didn't exist yet) when he came to pick her up. He couldn't have taken the letter and her to LE in Madisonville.