AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #24

[katydid23]

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I didn't interpret that he was complaining about "clogging up" his road. He made reference to it being "bottlenecked" and IMO it was simply stated as fact:

At timestamp 10:12 in the video

DW says: "Well, when the police started coming in and everything and I'm like, "Well, I'm gonna go check my car, and I'm gonna go look here and there," you know. As I drove, you know, like I say, I was in shock. I didn't know which way to go. And so I tried to drive down, and I got down there on the road. And these people bringing their trailers in, and their four wheelers, and all of Ben Hill (Rd) and Beech Creek was just bottlenecked. Traffic jam, couldn't get nowhere.

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His tone of voice made it sound, in my opinion, that he was complaining about it. He said 'couldn't get nowhere', in a criticising tone, in my opinion only, of course.

My point remains, it was 'clogged' with people coming to look for his daughter. I have never heard any parents complain about the amount of first responders clogging their street in a search.

 

[Finlay]

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I didn't interpret that he was complaining about "clogging up" his road. He made reference to it being "bottlenecked" and IMO it was simply stated as fact:

At timestamp 10:12 in the video

DW says: "Well, when the police started coming in and everything and I'm like, "Well, I'm gonna go check my car, and I'm gonna go look here and there," you know. As I drove, you know, like I say, I was in shock. I didn't know which way to go. And so I tried to drive down, and I got down there on the road. And these people bringing their trailers in, and their four wheelers, and all of Ben Hill (Rd) and Beech Creek was just bottlenecked. Traffic jam, couldn't get nowhere.

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I have to say that I would interpret that statement in a different way. It seemed like he was frustrated about that - and honestly, he's a parent worried about his kid, who *wouldn't* be frustrated? - so yeah, I'd file that in the "complaint" folder. ...but I may not be quite so quick as others to assume that it was anything to be held against him.

 

[hdo82]

Isabel Celis?
https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&s...ChAWegQIFBAB&usg=AOvVaw1E34bwed_Gq5FURcnlBeUm

I will read this tomorrow. I don't know about this either.

 

[hdo82]

Isabel Celis?
https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&s...ChAWegQIFBAB&usg=AOvVaw1E34bwed_Gq5FURcnlBeUm

Edited to add quotes:
“If you know how we’re supposed to be acting, please let me know,” an exasperated Becky Celis told Tucson reporters.

From 2012 up until Saturday, most of us were pretty sure we knew what happened to little Isabel Celis.

The dad did it.

Or the dad knew who did it.

Or the parents knew she was abducted because they owed a debt to Mexican drug traffickers. Something sensational like that.

These were the sorts of suspicions we shared in idle conversations around Tucson, in social-media posts, even on national TV. That dad sure looked and acted suspicious. And why did the mom stick by him? Something was wrong with them.

Then came Saturday, and the announcement that a grand jury had indicted Christopher M. Clements, a serial criminal with no known connections to the family, for murder in the deaths of 6-year-old Isabel and of 13-year-old Maribel Gonzalez.

Was her father going on YouTube doing daily interviews, mainly about himself?
I understand he is a victim in this situation BUT isn't Summer what he should be discussing.
He obviously controls the narrative in these interviews/self damage control videos, so he can easily make it ALL about Summer and focus on her and anything of relevance the public should need to be able to help.

So maybe a serial killer with no connection to the Wells' got to Summer?

 

[Ravenmoon]

I don't think that I have ever been so uncomfortable discussing a case.
SW seems to be lost not only in life, but in our discussions.
Some of us defend the Wells family while others won't rest until one, two, three, heck...I don't know- all of them are arrested.

It's hard to have empathy for DW.
I get it.
Is he GUILTY of harming his daughter?
I still haven't seen anything that says "yes."

Everything he says is picked apart, analyzed , criticized, vilified.
He does make it easy, doesn't he?
At the end of the day- it isn't helping to find Summer.

He has done some gross, unforgivable things.
Wouldn't bother me for a hot second if faces charges on the things he has done.
But his past record isn't really helping to find Summer.

If he was at work when she disappeared- there is no reason to continue punching at him.
Let LE take care of things that have become known.

If there is proof he was NOT at work, or that he was home between 3 PM and 5:30, that is an ENTIRELY different opening to look at him with suspicion.

Can anyone say he was at home, with Summer or had access to her at those times?

AMOO MOO JMO

 

[k-mac]

I’m not suggesting they harmed Summer; I’ve posted my theory many times. That aside, they are up to their ears in all sorts of issues, which have been well discussed. For those alone, I suspect there will be significant repercussions.

amateur opinion and speculation

I am not sure if they hurt Summer either.

But I am sure that their behaviours and actions that day are key to why she isn't here anymore.
And they know what/and are covering for each other because they both have dirt.....and lots of it.

Which may or may not have anything to do with Summer.

Never seen anything like this....Ever.
moo

 

[Sillybilly]

Bumping my earlier post:

Folks, use this thread to discuss the case and the information that comes out about the case itself, instead of critiquing or trashing the hosts of our WS approved sources. Most of you would be a-hollering if people elsewhere were trashing Tricia.

It's just in very poor taste ... Please don't do it.

Thank you.

 

[everybodhi]

I will read this tomorrow. I don't know about this either.

Dad didn't sound right on on the 911 call, they are Mexicans so everyone said he traded her to the cartel for drugs, Nancy Grace had her experts analyze their obvious guilt, their sons were taken by CPS after the abduction, LE put all the focus on the parents, they interviewed the killer based on a tip within days after the abduction but weren't suspicious of him.
Then, years later, the killer's fiance turned him in, she said there were 4 murders but they only found two bodies.
One thing we know for sure, he killed Maribel Gonzalez after Isabel Celis. Maybe more but he only led them to the two girls bodies which were nearby, to a place he frequented, under some tires.

 

[MsBetsy]

His tone of voice made it sound, in my opinion, that he was complaining about it. He said 'couldn't get nowhere', in a criticising tone, in my opinion only, of course.

My point remains, it was 'clogged' with people coming to look for his daughter. I have never heard any parents complain about the amount of first responders clogging their street in a search.

I didn't get the sense that he was complaining because it was an inconvenience. To me it seemed he was describing how surreal it was to him on that first day and the beginning of the search. He was probably overwhelmed and still in shock.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think that I have ever been so uncomfortable discussing a case.
SW seems to be lost not only in life, but in our discussions.
Some of us defend the Wells family while others won't rest until one, two, three, heck...I don't know- all of them are arrested.

It's hard to have empathy for DW.
I get it.
Is he GUILTY of harming his daughter?
I still haven't seen anything that says "yes."

Everything he says is picked apart, analyzed , criticized, vilified.
He does make it easy, doesn't he?
At the end of the day- it isn't helping to find Summer.

He has done some gross, unforgivable things.
Wouldn't bother me for a hot second if faces charges on the things he has done.
But his past record isn't really helping to find Summer.

If he was at work when she disappeared- there is no reason to continue punching at him.
Let LE take care of things that have become known.

If there is proof he was NOT at work, or that he was home between 3 PM and 5:30, that is an ENTIRELY different opening to look at him with suspicion.

Can anyone say he was at home, with Summer or had access to her at those times?

AMOO MOO JMO

In my opinion, him being at work or not , does not affect my theories about what may have happened to Summer. I have never thought that he was there 'disappearing' her.

To me, its has more to do with the possibility of generational dysfunction. And the possibility that the parents might cover up some kind of incident or accident, because they needed to cover up any potential SA that might come to light. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

I didn't get the sense that he was complaining because it was an inconvenience. To me it seemed he was describing how surreal it was to him on that first day and the beginning of the search. He was probably overwhelmed and still in shock.

That was my reading too.

 

[katydid23]

I didn't get the sense that he was complaining because it was an inconvenience. To me it seemed he was describing how surreal it was to him on that first day and the beginning of the search. He was probably overwhelmed and still in shock.

If he wasn't complaining that it was an inconvenience, then what was the complaint about? IMO, He said in a critical way-'couldn't get nowhere.' Isn't that an inconvenience he is describing?

I'm sure he was overwhelmed. It just seems to me that the first instinct would be one of relief and gratefulness that his street was flooded with searchers and search vehicles. He did not seem pleased. Just my opinion. MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

But there is a playbook about how guilty people act/display their guilt.

There are always exceptions and we've seen them here before.

The Victoria Stafford case ... Tori's mom, Tara held daily pressers, people criticized everything she said, her appearance, her background, her lifestyle. She was basically drawn and quartered and turns out had zero to do with Tori's disappearance and murder. Even LE had told her she was their main suspect. They set up an elaborate sting that was not successful because, ultimately, it was proven Tara had nothing to do with her daughter's disappearance and murder and two people unknown to Tori's family, Michael Rafferty and Terri-Lynn McClintic were ultimately convicted.

Not only was Tara a parent dealing with the trauma of losing her daughter, she was also subjected to all the criticism and accusations made on social media about her. Tara's behaviour did not help at all, but it was a lesson many should never forget. Sometimes people are only guilty of coming across as weird.

 

[Lewie]

Can anyone think of a case where a POI (in the eyes of the public, not necessarily named as such by police) went to the end of the earth to defend themselves against accusations, but turned out to be innocent?
I can think of many many examples of innocent folks defending themselves in a sentence or two - it’s only natural - but then (especially parents/family members) they immediately refocus the discussion on the MP. But, I can’t think of any one who ran Operation I’m Innocent who actually turned out to be.

 

[branmuffin]

His tone of voice made it sound, in my opinion, that he was complaining about it. He said 'couldn't get nowhere', in a criticising tone, in my opinion only, of course.

My point remains, it was 'clogged' with people coming to look for his daughter. I have never heard any parents complain about the amount of first responders clogging their street in a search.

He sounded like Barry Morphew complaining about LE messing up evidence and not following his suggestions on his missing wife.

 

[squareandrabbet]

There are always exceptions and we've seen them here.

The Victoria Stafford case ... Tori's mom, Tara held daily pressers, people criticized everything she said, her appearance, her background, her lifestyle. She was basically drawn and quartered and turns out had zero to do with Tori's disappearance and murder. Even LE had told her she was their main suspect. They set up an elaborate sting that was not successful because, ultimately, it was proven Tara had nothing to do with her daughter's disappearance and murder and two people unknown to Tori's family, Michael Rafferty and Terri-Lynn McClintic were ultimately convicted.

Not only was Tara a parent dealing with the trauma of losing her daughter, she was also subjected to all the criticism and accusations made on social media about her. Tara's behaviour did not help at all, but it was a lesson many should never forget. Sometimes people are only guilty of coming across as weird.

Yes, I certainly agree; but that doesn't take away from the fact that there is such a thing as "guilty behavior" that exists; and we brush up against it in our hinky meters every time at WS when we say that something "doesn't look right", or "doesn't make sense".

To deny that there are guilty behaviors is about the same as denying that there are honest behaviors, or lying behaviors, or gleeful behaviors, etc.; because without these cues, we'd have a hard time making it through the most basic Hollywood movie or TV show; and there, people are supposed to be conveying emotional states to us; or misleading about the emotional states, so on and so forth.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, I certainly agree; but that doesn't take away from the fact that there is such a thing as "guilty behavior" that exists; and we brush up against it in our hinky meters every time at WS when we say that something "doesn't look right", or "doesn't make sense".

To deny that there are guilty behaviors is about the same as denying that there are honest behaviors, or lying behaviors, or gleeful behaviors, etc.; because without these cues, we'd have a hard time making it through the most basic Hollywood movie or TV show; and there, people are supposed to be conveying emotional states to us; or misleading about the emotional states, so on and so forth.

Those are all subjective though.
WE each perceive through our individual filters.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Can anyone think of a case where a POI (in the eyes of the public, not necessarily named as such by police) went to the end of the earth to defend themselves against accusations, but turned out to be innocent?
I can think of many many examples of innocent folks defending themselves in a sentence or two - it’s only natural - but then (especially parents/family members) they immediately refocus the discussion on the MP. But, I can’t think of any one who ran Operation I’m Innocent who actually turned out to be.

For my money, I'm more confused about how every time we turn around DW is tossing up a new theory to social media.

Is he tossing all these new theories up to LE? What is his category for determining that they aren't taking yesterday's brainstorming lead seriously enough? Does he know if they've finished running his prior lead/theory to ground yet? Wouldn't it be good to rule one thing out before throwing everything but the kitchen sink into the mix; and how quickly can LE be expected to make something out of their leads if they've got a couple dozen different ones to look at?

 

[branmuffin]

There are always exceptions and we've seen them here before.

The Victoria Stafford case ... Tori's mom, Tara held daily pressers, people criticized everything she said, her appearance, her background, her lifestyle. She was basically drawn and quartered and turns out had zero to do with Tori's disappearance and murder. Even LE had told her she was their main suspect. They set up an elaborate sting that was not successful because, ultimately, it was proven Tara had nothing to do with her daughter's disappearance and murder and two people unknown to Tori's family, Michael Rafferty and Terri-Lynn McClintic were ultimately convicted.

Not only was Tara a parent dealing with the trauma of losing her daughter, she was also subjected to all the criticism and accusations made on social media about her. Tara's behaviour did not help at all, but it was a lesson many should never forget. Sometimes people are only guilty of coming across as weird.

When Lizzie Tomlinson was murdered in Toronto in 1980 LE zeroed in on a relative of Lizzie's who was intellectually delayed. He was in his 20s but hung around with the kids in the park nicknamed Stinky's Park (Lizzie was 5). A few kids around the age of 12 gave a physical description of the man that Lizzie walked away with but LE dismissed them. A motorist confirmed they saw a girl matching Lizzie's description walking across the Dundas St bridge with a man who also matched the description the boys gave. Her murder remains unsolved 40 years later.

 

[December]

It's important if DW really was at work or not because if even that isn't true we literally can only use the time SW was reported missing as a timeline. This includes if DW had nothing to do with SW's disappearance.

It is not confirmed where anyone was at the time SW was reported missing.

Supposedly at that time DW was driving home from work. CH, CB, and the boys were all at home searching for SW awaiting the arrival of LE.

Or were the boys with DW? Or what?

I mean, maybe DW was at Burger King and CB was doing copious amounts of laundry (oh wait, she said that, so binge watch funny animal videos), and the boys were down by the creek and CH was knitting a sweater. Who knows?

Even if LE is pretty sure none of these people are involved in SW's disappearance, they may have stopped talking to them in frustration.

ETA: and i don't think the family is who is mad at EQ Search. You know the guy whose dead horse they dug up had a few things to say about that to HCSO. If SW was as big as a horse, she would have been found by now.

All moo