AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #32

[Willow Knight]

Back to the timeline. DW stated on DR. P that Candus called him at 5:30 to tell him Summer was gone. So if that time is wrong why did he say it was it was 5:30 if 5:30 is the wrong time?????? After all this time. If they called at 6:29 and Summer was gone for 10 mins that would put call at from CW to DW at 6:09. MOO

I don't want to ignore this post because I have been vocal regarding the timeline. Simply do not have an answer for you. My only thought is in the beginning, DW was thinking it was about 5:30 when he got the call. Maybe that time has stuck in his head. IDK, he could just be remembering incorrectly.

On the bright side, I think LE has the timeline of phone calls, so they would have this information included in their investigation.

Or! 5:30 is a time he puts importance to so that is at the forefront of his mind. For an example only, possibly DW has deduced that SW went missing around 5:30, IDK.

 

[Oriah]

Here is a new video from findsummerwells.com 12/6/21

Could Summer be disguised?

You can also hear SW talk in this. Her voice is so sweet.
eta - she looks like it is her 5th Birthday maybe at church.

Summer Wells : Hair If Disguised : FindSummerWells.com - YouTube

Thank you for carrying this over, 2.curious.

I am SO glad to see the Wells' putting forward this sort of clip at this point in time.
I also think 'search for the smile' is key.

 

[December]

There are some things about the timeline after SW was known to be missing that are shaky (to us): CB calling DW, both of them calling the cops, DW leaving work, driving home, arriving at home.

But, LE has known 100 percent when the 911 calls came in from the start. By now, they know the times on calls between CB and DW.

We don't know this information, but idk why.

 

[MsMarple]

Sheriff Ronnie Lawson stated this regarding the scream heard by the neighbor:

" She has been interviewed numerous times by my agency, the FBI and TBI. We don't find anything that complaint of
her information related to this case"

Go to the 2:35 mark
Neighbor of Summer Wells says she heard a scream shortly before she went missing - YouTube

From your link, starting at 00:50 the neighbor says:

property lines while we were out at one
00:52
point doing survey lines and there was a
00:54
flash of a car that went up candice (sic) and
00:56
donnie's driveway
00:58
something about it struck me wrong

If we decide to ignore Sheriff Lawson's information and instead believe the neighbor then IMO we should also believe the neighbor's sighting of a car driving up the Wells' driveway though I'm not sure what would be "wrong" about seeing a car heading to the house. Sounds a bit dramatic IMO.

Neither DW nor CB ever mentioned a sighting of a car but they are adamant that the neighbor heard a scream. Why one but not the other?

Could Candus have had company that day that she doesn't want to share about with the public?

IMO I doubt it but at the same time it puts the neighbor's story in doubt too. There's only one driveway to the Wells' house so she either saw a car or she didn't. I'm inclined to believe the sheriff, TBI and the FBI. MOO.

 

[TeaTime]

The digital clock in my car, despite all the bells and whistles, does not change automatically when we spring ahead/fall back, It must be programmed to the correct time with each change. Just saying. He may have been looking at the vehicle display which had not been changed and the visual number sticks in his memory.

Just a thought.

 

[flashy09]

There is something very shady about the 5:30 call and the lag time until the 911 call. Combined with CW driving all around searching and DW driving in the Subaru, not his own truck (that is at the house.) That is all I have to say about that.

DW says 5:30 IMO because it's documented. They were calling each other and driving around before and after 911 was called.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

A good solid link to legitimate evidence is very helpful. Unfortunately there are links that are made out of rumor that only lead to more speculation and false information.

 

[CSIDreamer]

The digital clock in my car, despite all the bells and whistles, does not change automatically when we spring ahead/fall back, It must be programmed to the correct time with each change. Just saying. He may have been looking at the vehicle display which had not been changed and the visual number sticks in his memory.

Just a thought.

I've wondered about that, too. I have yet to reset my clock from over a month ago when I had to get a new battery in my car.

 

[flashy09]

A good solid link to legitimate evidence is very helpful. Unfortunately there are links that are made out of rumor that only lead to more speculation and false information.

I don't know if you were talking to me. But this is the article I was thinking of. Summer Wells' mom pleads: 'Just bring her back'

“I sent the older boys down through the creek. If they’ve got a walkie-talkie and their buck knife, they can go down through there. I sent all them searching and I went out in my mom’s truck and went all the way down by the church, then went all the way down the (other) way and I didn’t see nobody even out and about,” Candus said.

“Then I went all the way back in the holler as far as the truck can go and I didn’t see nothing back in there, either. When I was coming back up out of the holler, the cops were coming up in my driveway. So, I just followed them up in here. I don’t recall if (Don) was here before the police got here or if he was here at the same time they showed up,” said Candus.

Just a lot of driving. Then there is DW is driving in CW main car not his truck. Combined with him saying a call came from CW at 530, which leaves an hour before the 911 call, and LE saying the timeline is part of the investigation and under wraps vs treating it like a kidnapping where the timeline is everything....it just feels off. But I hope I am wrong. It really is quite a mystery.

 

[Oriah]

I can completely understand why LE doesn't want or need 'help' from the public re: the timeline in Summer's case and is uninterested and unwilling to release much data pertaining to it.
Anything with a date, a time, a location, witnesses, etc would have been entered into (and will continue to be added to) the timeline, and since LE doesn't know at the beginning of an investigation whether that information will be critical later on, it is very often protected. IMO, that's all LE means when they indicate a timeline is part of an investigation.
All of that information that goes into timelines come from so many different sources; public, private, info obtained thru warrants, LE internal case files, cell and land lines, other transmissions such as via other electronic devices, surveillance logs, NCIC, dispatches and many many many other sources. All of that info is utilized or has the potential to be utilized in future interview strategies, in other investigations into possibly related cases, in prosecution if it gets that far etc etc.
Timelines are absolutely a part of investigations...I'm actually glad LE isn't discussing it in Summer's case.
IMO, it does not necessarily point toward guilt or innocence of any involved/uninvolved party. It points toward this case being active. My opinion only, of course.

 

[Allabouttrial]

A good solid link to legitimate evidence is very helpful. Unfortunately there are links that are made out of rumor that only lead to more speculation and false information.

All links in these threads lead to first hand accounts, it's up to the individual whether or not to believe them.

Some of us work hard to provide links, so that false information is not spread.

Links can lead to speculation because with limited information it's all we can do. Again, it's up to the individual to ascertain what/who they find credible.

It's no different than what jurors are advised when they sit on a trial and that includes testimony from LE.

Most criminal cases are built on circumstantial evidence which include witness accounts.

 

[flashy09]

I can completely understand why LE doesn't want or need 'help' from the public re: the timeline in Summer's case and is uninterested and unwilling to release much data pertaining to it.
Anything with a date, a time, a location, witnesses, etc would have been entered into (and will continue to be added to) the timeline, and since LE doesn't know at the beginning of an investigation whether that information will be critical later on, it is very often protected. IMO, that's all LE means when they indicate a timeline is part of an investigation.
All of that information that goes into timelines come from so many different sources; public, private, info obtained thru warrants, LE internal case files, cell and land lines, other transmissions such as via other electronic devices, surveillance logs, NCIC, dispatches and many many many other sources. All of that info is utilized or has the potential to be utilized in future interview strategies, in other investigations into possibly related cases, in prosecution if it gets that far etc etc.
Timelines are absolutely a part of investigations...I'm actually glad LE isn't discussing it in Summer's case.
IMO, it does not necessarily point toward guilt or innocence of any involved/uninvolved party. It points toward this case being active. My opinion only, of course.

See I feel like if LE thought the most likely scenario was that Summer was kidnapped, they would be very clear with when and where she was last seen. Even a range of time. We know the 911 call came in at 6:30. But there has been no LE verification of when SW was last seen - not even a general time. That is how people can place themselves and try to help. For example, maybe someone an hour south saw something "off" at 4:30 and didn't even think about Summer because only info is a just gone missing type 911 call at 6:30 pm! Timeline in kidnappings are huge.

 

[Oriah]

flashy09, I agree that timelines in kidnappings are huge. They are also huge in searching for missing persons (last seen, etc) and in searching for the perpetrators of many other types of crimes. But clearly, LE does not think that public input into the timeline surrounding Summer's disappearance is necessary. They also may not actually know when exactly Summer was last seen, and may feel that accounts vary enough to call a firm date/time/location into question. However, I can't imagine that if that timeline varied tremendously from 3:30pm-ish on the 15th (when seen by H and A) and 6:30pm-ish (when 911 call was logged) that LE would not comment on that. Between A, H, Gma, CBW, the three boys...that would be quite a stretch kwim? All LE has asked for is public input regarding the Tacoma truck with ladder rack- which is ALSO a part of the timeline.
BBM:

The following quote from Sheriff Lawson I find interesting, especially that last bit about 'driving a company truck', 'a lot of officers here are familiar with this gentleman', 'we believe that he actually saw it'.

“You would think if somebody had seen something, they would come forward, even if they just had the truck and didn’t see anything,” Lawson said of the driver. “It may be somebody that has paid no attention to this or maybe somebody that’s got a criminal record and was driving and wasn’t supposed to be driving too.”
Months later, that truck and its driver haven’t been identified. However, Lawson did share more about the person who gave that information about that truck.

“It was somebody driving a company truck that a lot of officers here are familiar with this gentleman, and we believe that he actually saw it,” he said.

Almost five months, more than 1,500 tips and a massive ground search later, the question of where Summer Wells is still remains.

“Nothing pointing to abduction, nothing pointing to foul play, other than her walking out, outside the house and not being found is basically the main thing right now,” said Sheriff Lawson. “What actually happened to her? We’re still trying to find out.”

I struggle with how they can have a vehicle of interest to the investigation that has not been located, seen by an apparently reputable source (at least reputable to local LE) around the time of Summer's disappearance, (although I also don't understand how reputable this source could be if they can't recall if it was the evening of the 14th or the day of the 15th- unless it was possibly both, or the witness to the truck drives by VERY frequently) issue an Amber Alert and keep it active, call in CARD, and not consider abduction high on the list of possibilities.

That's just my thoughts, though. I don't know what else to make of LE's approach to this particular case.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don't want to ignore this post because I have been vocal regarding the timeline. Simply do not have an answer for you. My only thought is in the beginning, DW was thinking it was about 5:30 when he got the call. Maybe that time has stuck in his head. IDK, he could just be remembering incorrectly.

On the bright side, I think LE has the timeline of phone calls, so they would have this information included in their investigation.

Or! 5:30 is a time he puts importance to so that is at the forefront of his mind. For an example only, possibly DW

I don't want to ignore this post because I have been vocal regarding the timeline. Simply do not have an answer for you. My only thought is in the beginning, DW was thinking it was about 5:30 whe

Special thank you for all the links you provide. Amazing job with links, don't know how you keep track, you must be so organized. I say you are an asset to this thread the way you can provide links.

I wish Brian Entin could get an interview with Her.

 

[Trackergd]

Those local to the area, how long would it have taken for SW to walk to the "holler" in five year old steps and stopping on occasion to look at "stuff"?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

flashy09, I agree that timelines in kidnappings are huge. They are also huge in searching for missing persons (last seen, etc) and in searching for the perpetrators of many other types of crimes. But clearly, LE does not think that public input into the timeline surrounding Summer's disappearance is necessary. They also may not actually know when exactly Summer was last seen, and may feel that accounts vary enough to call a firm date/time/location into question. However, I can't imagine that if that timeline varied tremendously from 3:30pm-ish on the 15th (when seen by H and A) and 6:30pm-ish (when 911 call was logged) that LE would not comment on that. Between A, H, Gma, CBW, the three boys...that would be quite a stretch kwim? All LE has asked for is public input regarding the Tacoma truck with ladder rack- which is ALSO a part of the timeline.
BBM:

The following quote from Sheriff Lawson I find interesting, especially that last bit about 'driving a company truck', 'a lot of officers here are familiar with this gentleman', 'we believe that he actually saw it'.

“You would think if somebody had seen something, they would come forward, even if they just had the truck and didn’t see anything,” Lawson said of the driver. “It may be somebody that has paid no attention to this or maybe somebody that’s got a criminal record and was driving and wasn’t supposed to be driving too.”
Months later, that truck and its driver haven’t been identified. However, Lawson did share more about the person who gave that information about that truck.

“It was somebody driving a company truck that a lot of officers here are familiar with this gentleman, and we believe that he actually saw it,” he said.

Almost five months, more than 1,500 tips and a massive ground search later, the question of where Summer Wells is still remains.

“Nothing pointing to abduction, nothing pointing to foul play, other than her walking out, outside the house and not being found is basically the main thing right now,” said Sheriff Lawson. “What actually happened to her? We’re still trying to find out.”

I struggle with how they can have a vehicle of interest to the investigation that has not been located, seen by an apparently reputable source (at least reputable to local LE) around the time of Summer's disappearance, (although I also don't understand how reputable this source could be if they can't recall if it was the evening of the 14th or the day of the 15th- unless it was possibly both, or the witness to the truck drives by VERY frequently) issue an Amber Alert and keep it active, call in CARD, and not consider abduction high on the list of possibilities.

That's just my thoughts, though. I don't know what else to make of LE's approach to this particular case.

Nothing pointing to abduction, nothing pointing to foul play, other than her walking out, outside the house and not being found is basically the main thing right now,” said Sheriff Lawson. “What actually happened to her? We’re still trying to find out.” Whoa. So they know "she walked she walked out,outside of the house"? How do they know this. Was she alone? I wonder if the dogs picked up only her scent on the trail. Do they sniff for scents other than the Missing child?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I've wondered about that, too. I have yet to reset my clock from over a month ago when I had to get a new battery in my car.

You know though what the actual time is right? Also things like cell phones,and on star etc automatically show the correct time. Jmo

 

[MsMarple]

You know though what the actual time is right? Also things like cell phones,and on star etc automatically show the correct time. Jmo

Subaru has two clock options, auto, which is linked to the car's GPS/NAV and adjusts automatically and manual, which takes it off auto. It's possible the Wells' Subaru GPS is broken or someone set the clock to manual and forgot to adjust it for three months.

But does that actually matter? CB didn't call DW while he was in the car, she called him while he was at work. According to DW he threw his tools into the car and took off for home, driving very fast, talking with CB the entire time. Would he have even bothered to look at the car's clock?

ETA an additional thought: Since DW continues to say CB called him at 5:30 - he said it again in his Dr. Phil interview - the time must have some meaning to him. He's not saying he doesn't know what time she called, he's stating a specific time. Something causes him to focus on 5:30 IMO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

You know though what the actual time is right? Also things like cell phones,and on star etc automatically show the correct time. Jmo

Sometimes. Not always. Im not a clock watcher unless I have to be somewhere.

 

[Oriah]

Those local to the area, how long would it have taken for SW to walk to the "holler" in five year old steps and stopping on occasion to look at "stuff"?

If you're talking about the kind of 5 yr old who stops every few minutes to look at something (and then possibly changes direction slightly) imo, about 25-28 min give or take? If you're talking about the kind of 5 yr old who runs every chance they get, mostly downhill and accounting for a possible trip or two...maybe 14-17 min? Moo, of course. Also, are we talking as the crow flies? Or packed/road surfaces and if so..at what point she might have gone from forest ground cover to packed. There are a couple varied routes of travel she could have taken. I think that might hinge on which direction and surface she left the residence in and on. Front, back, side. Forested, deer/dog/human/power line cut worn trail or driveway to road. Kwim? That's where I think one of the first unknowns is. MOO so the timing on that could be way off. ETA...forgot to throw in the possible diversion of the creek. Which could or could not have come into play, depending on route of travel.