AMBER ALERT TN - Summer Moon-Utah Wells, 5, Rogersville, 15 Jun 2021 #33

[Sneaker33]

There was a question if Summer's parents still have all of her belongings such as toys and clothes. I don't think the factual answer would mean anything if we actually knew it. For me, I would understand a parent who could not look at belongings of a missing child and needed it packed away or removed from the home, even if it was permanent. On the other hand, you hear of parents of missing children essentially freezing in time the child's bedroom. Both scenarios are incredibly sad and understandable. IMO

I thought it would be good to know where the items went. I have heard of cases where a child was taken in retaliation for unpaid debt or other reason. If this is the case for Summer then she may be alive and the items are going to her. It may be those involved never expected the intense media coverage. The parents may not know exactly where she is now but may know she will be kept alive. It might be in Summer's danger for them to call out names. It sounds like a wild theory but it has happened.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Sometimes this is how cases are reopened or cracked, when a simple interview gives clues. I believe grandma meant "we" when she said we. I don't say "we" when I take my dog out. I don't say "we" went outside. I say I took my dog outside or I let my cat outside.

I say we because my dog is part of the outing. Jmo

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I thought it would be good to know where the items went. I have heard of cases where a child was taken in retaliation for unpaid debt or other reason. If this is the case for Summer then she may be alive and the items are going to her. It may be those involved never expected the intense media coverage. The parents may not know exactly where she is now but may know she will be kept alive. It might be in Summer's danger for them to call out names. It sounds like a wild theory but it has happened.

Can you give one case example?
If there were such a case, how could the parents "know she will be kept alive?" No kind person would take a child as payment for a debt

 

[Sneaker33]

Can you give one case example?
If there were such a case, how could the parents "know she will be kept alive?" No kind person would take a child as payment for a debt

These are not kind people.

Can you give one case example?
If there were such a case, how could the parents "know she will be kept alive?" No kind person would take a child as payment for a debt

I have a few names of people convicted of kidnapping for drug debts. Grace Marie Perez Jimenez in Reading, PA for $500. May 15, 2020 Solaiman Nassimi kidnapping minor. Nadine Carolina Avalos 8/2018. Kidnapping and murder of Nick Markowitz by Jesse James Hollywood. Nick's brother Ben owed $1200. I am familiar with the case of Jesus De La Cruz age 6, 1996, Massachusetts. One theory is Jesus was taken for a drug debt owed by mother. This has never been proven. Taking someone's child may also be done as a way of hurting the parent. Of course most abductions do not end well. Many children are trafficked or very young ones could be sold in an illegal private adoption. Other theories don't make sense to me.

 

[rosesfromangels]

These are not kind people.
I have a few names of people convicted of kidnapping for drug debts. Grace Marie Perez Jimenez in Reading, PA for $500. May 15, 2020 Solaiman Nassimi kidnapping minor. Nadine Carolina Avalos 8/2018. Kidnapping and murder of Nick Markowitz by Jesse James Hollywood. Nick's brother Ben owed $1200. I am familiar with the case of Jesus De La Cruz age 6, 1996, Massachusetts. One theory is Jesus was taken for a drug debt owed by mother. This has never been proven. Taking someone's child may also be done as a way of hurting the parent. Of course most abductions do not end well. Many children are trafficked or very young ones could be sold in an illegal private adoption. Other theories don't make sense to me.

Addicts can sink to lows we can't even imagine. Anything is possible here.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[2.curious]

Last week when TBI and other LE returned to the same area in Hawkins County three different times,
I just knew something had been found.
Why did they continue to search the same area? It makes me wonder if something was found but they are keeping it quiet.

It also makes me wonder if they had a creditable tip and that is why they continued to search there. Is someone talking?

Just thinking . . .

 

[Shamrock1]

Addicts can sink to lows we can't even imagine. Anything is possible here.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I agree. But the thing that makes me doubt that happening here is those three witnesses. All three of the sons are old enough to recount conversations, visitors, unusual events, etc. to LE. It’s a small house and neither parent seems restrained when it comes to speech. JMO.

 

[BeckyF]

Can you give one case example?
If there were such a case, how could the parents "know she will be kept alive?" No kind person would take a child as payment for a debt

No kind person would take a child for any reason.

 

[mooseandcoffee]

Last week when TBI and other LE returned to the same area in Hawkins County three different times,
I just knew something had been found.
Why did they continue to search the same area? It makes me wonder if something was found but they are keeping it quiet.

It also makes me wonder if they had a creditable tip and that is why they continued to search there. Is someone talking?

Just thinking . . .

If something had been found, it seems like the area would be roped off.

 

[TeaTime]

<modsnip -nicknames not permitted> said "they come out". It isn't the first time a couple of interviewers have made these kinds of statements and run with it without hearing what was really said.

These guys missed the whole importance of the statement, "they came out" which is that it is in conflict to Candus' version which was that <modsnip> wanted to plant the things and so she went and got Summer who was playing on the floor with her toys in the kitchen. Swoosh.

 

[Ingrid74]

<modsnip -nicknames not permitted> said "they come out". It isn't the first time a couple of interviewers have made these kinds of statements and run with it without hearing what was really said.

These guys missed the whole importance of the statement, "they came out" which is that it is in conflict to Candus' version which was that <modsnip> wanted to plant the things and so she went and got Summer who was playing on the floor with her toys in the kitchen. Swoosh.

Do you mean Candice and Summer came out the kitchen after Candice fetched her? So "They came out."?
Sorry if I have misunderstood.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Grandus said "they come out". It isn't the first time a couple of interviewers have made these kinds of statements and run with it without hearing what was really said.

These guys missed the whole importance of the statement, "they came out" which is that it is in conflict to Candus' version which was that Grandus wanted to plant the things and so she went and got Summer who was playing on the floor with her toys in the kitchen. Swoosh.

"We come out". Timestamp: 1:15.

 

[mooseandcoffee]

We or They....We know there were multiple people involved in the accounts. So if they all left their respective homes to walk to a common area, either makes sense to me. Her grammar makes it hard to know.

 

[carbuff]

We or They....We know there were multiple people involved in the accounts. So if they all left their respective homes to walk to a common area, either makes sense to me. Her grammar makes it hard to know.

My grandmother would have said "we come out" or "came out" in a variety of situations. "Me and my friends all come out to the picnic," for instance.

In this case I can totally see CH using "we come out" as shorthand for "she came out of her house and I walked down to meet her in the middle of the yard..."

 

[K9Enzo]

My grandmother would have said "we come out" or "came out" in a variety of situations. "Me and my friends all come out to the picnic," for instance.

In this case I can totally see CH using "we come out" as shorthand for "she came out of her house and I walked down to meet her in the middle of the yard..."

Yes, I understand what you're describing. My grandma would say "we" also, she was the Matriarch and spoke for everyone, like it or not

 

[carbuff]

Yes, I understand what you're describing. My grandma would say "we" also, she was the Matriarch and spoke for everyone, like it or not

Oh, the royal we? That's also possible.

 

[JusticeWaits]

I respectfully disagree. I never say "we" when I'm alone.

I do, all the time. When I am describing my day to friends, for example, I will say "we did this" and "we did that" referring to myself and my wife together, even if the activity described was performed by myself alone. Like yardwork--mowing the grass, trimming bushes, etc., Sometimes I do it, some times my wife does it, sometimes we both do it. But when recounting the activity to others, is is pretty much always "We did it" since we are a team.

So in my opinion, pronouns are not always accurate.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I do, all the time. When I am describing my day to friends, for example, I will say "we did this" and "we did that" referring to myself and my wife together, even if the activity described was performed by myself alone. Like yardwork--mowing the grass, trimming bushes, etc., Sometimes I do it, some times my wife does it, sometimes we both do it. But when recounting the activity to others, is is pretty much always "We did it" since we are a team.

So in my opinion, pronouns are not always accurate.

BBM. I love this, and you sound like a wonderful team indeed.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I have an admission to make. I own a small business that I run alone. And a summer market with vendors, events, food, etc. I say things like "we are so grateful for our loyal guests". It makes me sound bigger lol. I swear I'm not crazy. JMO

 

[Oriah]

In two days, Summer will have been missing for 9 months. LE has been back out to search for her several times since the initial massive search that ensued within hours of her disappearance. This is common and responsible on the part of LE/SAR, due to weather and changing environmental and topographical conditions.
This is not a case of a child being reported missing days or weeks or months after last being seen. Summer was last seen within 0-3 hrs of her disappearance, and she was last seen at her home in a rural area of East Tennessee.
We have been given little from LE to go on, minus a (still) unidentified red/maroon pick-up truck seen in the area, possibly at or around the day/time of Summer's disappearance. Reminder: this vehicle was witnessed by a trusted source to LE.
The three remaining children in the home have been placed in DSS custody, one parent is in jail for 6 months (charges unrelated to Summers' disappearance), and the other parent remains at the family home with some company from her own mother, who was also present at the time of Summer's disappearance. A mother who is also the parent of a missing (grown) daughter (unrelated to Summer's disappearance) and who is the sister of CW. Folks, this is one heck of a painful situation ALL AROUND.
Rather than try and dissect the enormously painful dissolution of a family, I'd rather take a second, third, fourth, twentieth look at the surrounding physical area- including extending out of the initial search grids.
What if this (unknown) vehicle is responsible for transporting Summer away from the area? What routes could it have traveled, how soon could it have hit interstates? How much time- in minutes- would it have been? Is it likely to be a vehicle driven by someone local to the area, or a transient? Do the ladder racks indicate a tradesperson, and if so, what kind and where? Beech Creek, Ben Hill, the holler, over the mountain? Is this sort of vehicle capable of off road travel? What is the cab like? Would a child be easily restrained in the cab?
Now back to the original search area, in the event Summer wandered from the home. What might SAR be missing when it comes to searching and re-searching areas of interest? The terrain is exceedingly difficult and Summer is a small child. Are there other/alternate tools or techniques that SAR could be utilizing to locate anything of interest? Let's brainstorm a bit, maybe even google. Share some ideas, think of this as a blank slate. Sometimes answers are right in front of us, we just need to clear the noise. Any interest in this approach appreciated. TIA, all.