To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?? #3

[Ezryder9]

I know there are cases like that, but usually dna sets people free, and proves their innocence. how would they fabricate forensic evidence? what about kc's behavior (31 days etc.) how could they fabricate that?

Not only how would they, more importantly in my mind is why would they fabricate it?

 

[Seranade]

Because just like LE this person has a motive to lie, maybe to coerce a confession?

Holy Moly! Is everyone lying?! I have never met a more dedicated and hardworking bunch as I have here on WS. I applaud everyone and anyone that is out there searching for answers. There are no hidden agendas here.

Good grief. Are you guys saying that you trust anonymous, inverified information over links to actual, verified information? Is that how you think investigations should be conducted? Let's just nip this in the bud:

Blow

or bottle flies have bodies with shiny metallic colors such as bronze, blue, or green.
Adult flies are about ¼ inch long. Blow flies will lay eggs on any organic matter, but strongly prefer animal flesh. Eggs are laid in clumps, and a female may lay hundreds in a

lifetime. Despite what is commonly thought, meat does not need to be spoiled to attract these flies. Blow flies will lay eggs on freshly cooked meat. In fact, blow flies may even

infest the wounds of living animals. Sometimes when animals die in the chimney or crawlspace of a home, blow flies may breed in the carcass and the adult flies enter the house.

Flesh flies

are grey and black with three black stripes on the back. They are about ½ inch long and resemble large house flies. As suggested by their name, they strongly prefer to breed in animal flesh. Unlike the other flies mentioned, flesh flies do not lay eggs, but small maggots. Flesh flies, like blow flies, will infest fresh meat, cooked or uncooked.Two other flies may be common pests in homes or businesses.

Link

 

[RR0004]

sorry, I bumped in haste!!! has anyone here heard about this?

Just that it was heard on a radio station. No confirmation to my knowledge.

 

[Straitfan]

To the one who post the LE didn't start searching right away for Caylee.. HMMMM, where would YOU have liked them to start since the "MOM" didn't give any starting point?? Oh, forgot it's ok she didn't report it for AT least 31 days but the LE should be psychic and "JUST know where to start, LE aren't STUPID!!! If a mom doesnt report a baby missing for 31 days, there is PRETTY MUCH a given that child is not alive. I'm not even a rocket scientist and I know that...

 

[RR0004]

Good grief. Are you guys saying that you trust anonymous, inverified information over links to actual, verified information? Is that how you think investigations should be conducted? Let's just nip this in the bud:

Blow

or bottle flies have bodies with shiny metallic colors such as bronze, blue, or green.
Adult flies are about ¼ inch long. Blow flies will lay eggs on any organic matter, but strongly prefer animal flesh. Eggs are laid in clumps, and a female may lay hundreds in a

lifetime. Despite what is commonly thought, meat does not need to be spoiled to attract these flies. Blow flies will lay eggs on freshly cooked meat. In fact, blow flies may even

infest the wounds of living animals. Sometimes when animals die in the chimney or crawlspace of a home, blow flies may breed in the carcass and the adult flies enter the house.

Flesh flies

are grey and black with three black stripes on the back. They are about ½ inch long and resemble large house flies. As suggested by their name, they strongly prefer to breed in animal flesh. Unlike the other flies mentioned, flesh flies do not lay eggs, but small maggots. Flesh flies, like blow flies, will infest fresh meat, cooked or uncooked.Two other flies may be common pests in homes or businesses.

Link

I've also heard they like dirty diapers...your point?

 

[Seranade]

Don't forget the dogs. They must be in on it too.

Where did I say that there was no dead body in the trunk?

They did track down leads...in different states. Their problem with an "organized" search was "where"? Where were they supposed to start without any credible information from the mother? The only one who said that LE was doing nothing was CA. And as far as I know, TES does have to be requested to be brought in by the family. Then the first thing they do is meet with LE (who I guess they at least trust) to make sure they are not interferring with anything they have going on.

If LE can't get information out of a POI or suspect, which is usually the case I might add, they go ahead and develope their own information. They don't sit around and wait for a liar and possible murderer to tell them what to do.

 

[kwmred]

In the past recent years, many innocent men and women have been released from prison after lengthy prison terms when new evidence of DNA proving them to be innocent, when the DNA from the victim or the crime scene did not match their own. Although this is not the only factor in innocence cases, according to the Innocence Project website 212 prisoners have been released due to DNA testing.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/571029/dna_deoxyribonucleic_acid_when_its.html


Someone was disputing this earlier - can't remember who.

 

[Ezryder9]

I would take LE's theory over Casey's theory because they do have the proof to back it up. Huge difference!

How many times have you seen LE release such information which was proven to be false in a high profile case such as this? I do not recall them ever doing so. The FBI and LE are not going to tank their eventual case to lie to the public and the media. We also have Yuri Melich UNDER OATH stating they smelled decomp in that trunk and had two dog hits. He is saying there WAS a body in that trunk in court.

And SS, back to the question you've been asking and haven't had answered. There is a quite a bit of information (I'm opting to call it that, to prevent the 'show me' comments again) out there that indicates, sadly, that Caylee is dead. On the other hand, we have 4 pieces of information that Caylee is alive: KC, CA, GA and LA saying so. My vote's with you and LE too.

 

[gibby207]

Wouldn't it be possible that if Casey never wanted to talk to OLE / she then demanded the FBI be called in & she'd talk...........but then never.
Her Dad is ex- LE even a homicide cop at that. He would have to know a good cop to call so she'd feel comfortable & could tell the story........

Yet she lost 31 days / partying, drinking, cooking for her boyfriend. By not trusting anyone...to say hey my kids was kidnapped. Not so much as trusting her own Dad....

She mooches off him & her mom. For 3 yrs they supported her & Caylee.At no point did she utter a word...makes me go hmmmmmmmm

Yes...things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Seranade]

I've also heard they like dirty diapers...your point?

My point was that this information:

FloridaYiaYia
Sep 11, 2008 | 3:51 PM

Forget about my theory of Caylee's grandparents using chloroform to clean out the trunk.

I spoke to a well know Board Certified Forensic Entomologist today and was very enlightened.

A human can die from "Chloroform" but "Flies" and "Larva" cannot. I hope no one takes offense to what I am writing because it may be delicate in nature to why we are here, for Caylee.

After speaking with this very helpful professional , I learned a few things and one in particular that surprised me.

Flies and larva (maggots) are not drawn to pizza because the toppings are already cooked. The most important thing I learned is, Flies dead or alive and Larva can be check for DNA. Not only their DNA, but what they were feeding off. I sure hope LE collected that pizza thrown in the dumpster. I hope you know what I am saying here because I do not want to get too graphic.

God bless you Caylee.

Was not only untrustworthy because it came from an anonymous internet poster who claimed to have spoken to an unnamed Entomologist, it was also in fact what you would expect-entirely erroneous.

 

[MaedchenX]

In the past recent years, many innocent men and women have been released from prison after lengthy prison terms when new evidence of DNA proving them to be innocent, when the DNA from the victim or the crime scene did not match their own. Although this is not the only factor in innocence cases, according to the Innocence Project website 212 prisoners have been released due to DNA testing.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/571029/dna_deoxyribonucleic_acid_when_its.html


Someone was disputing this earlier - can't remember who.

That would be me. I was disputing the number of DEATH ROW INMATES released based on DNA. Poster suggested hundreds, it is 16. Here is my source. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

 

[suspicious mind]

o/t how many user names are we allowed to have, just one right?

 

[RR0004]

Where did I say that there was no dead body in the trunk?



If LE can't get information out of a POI or suspect, which is usually the case I might add, they go ahead and develope their own information. They don't sit around and wait for a liar and possible murderer to tell them what to do.

And you expected them to search all over the United States? I don't think they have those kinds of resources. There wasn't any nanny to chase after. There were no mysterious kidnappers hiding in foreign countries. The pings of the POI cell phone told them where they could start. Usually, it's the general public that organizes searches on a large scale. I don't remember that happening until TES was finally called in...which by the way posters here were instrumental in getting to happen. Were you aware of that?

 

[RR0004]

In the past recent years, many innocent men and women have been released from prison after lengthy prison terms when new evidence of DNA proving them to be innocent, when the DNA from the victim or the crime scene did not match their own. Although this is not the only factor in innocence cases, according to the Innocence Project website 212 prisoners have been released due to DNA testing.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/571029/dna_deoxyribonucleic_acid_when_its.html


Someone was disputing this earlier - can't remember who.

I believe it was connected to those who were on Death Row...not all prisoners.

ETA: and can I also add....that in some of these cases the "innocents" were Id(ed) by people they knew in the first place.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Do you think LE believed from the very beginning that Caylee was dead? If so, how do you explain the lack of organized searches? They could have called TES themselves, they didn't have to wait for the family to do that.

If they thought at first that she was alive, how do you explain the apparent lack of searching for a missing child? We know that a lot of tips were dismissed.

It is possible Caylee is with someone safe, and NOT with her accomplices.

The lack of organized searches came because of the lack of information on a case which was already over a month old before it began. 31 days put them behind the eight ball. While I think that LE realized their window of normal opportunity to find this child alive in any missing scenario which is 72 hours (IIRC) passed long before, I do not believe they simply assumed she was already dead.

When you have a parent lying with every breath and no clear place to begin a search...you have to start from scratch. They did this. They began their search at the A house and the car. Also interviewing the immediate family and friends. They didn't need TES for that.

They did check out the airport sighting. It either wasn't Caylee or no one else could verify seeing her. They were found not to be credible tips.

Tips from people days or weeks after the event are not productive. Other witnesses and the area won't lend itself to an investigation. They need tips of people who are actually looking at the child in that moment if they have a chance to catch the people with her and to find her.

OK I answered your questions....ANSWER MINE! (You only answered my questions with these. )

 

[RR0004]

o/t how many user names are we allowed to have, just one right?

yup...not to say it doesn't happen that there may be more

 

[Ezryder9]

...as well as the powers to be.

You know, RR, you're right. I'm thankful this thread is here. At least this way we can have a discussion, instead of being force-fed theories without being able to question and respond.

 

[Seranade]

And you expected them to search all over the United States? I don't think they have those kinds of resources. There wasn't any nanny to chase after? There were no mysterious kidnappers hiding in foreign countries. The pings of the POI cell phone told them where they could start. Usually, it's the general public that organizes searches on a large scale. I don't remember that happening until TES was finally called in...which by the way posters here were instrumental in getting to happen. Were you aware of that?

No, I didn't expect them to search all over the US. If they thought she was dead from the beginning they could have and should have called in TES themselves and given them the ping information they assuredly had from early on. Unless you are saying LE can't call in TES..? They can. Which begs the question-WHY did it take an internet forum to force the issue?

 

[EastSideOfSaddness]

Question for those who believe Casey:
1. WHY would LE plant cholaform in her car????

2. If the LE "WERE" just out to get her, how in the WORLD can you justify a mom who NEVER ONCE reports, NOR looks for her missing child????

What Casey does is OK?? But the LE, FBI are all just crooks? Certainly there may be a few "bad apples" in police dept but to lump 99% of them who put their lives on the line for "US" daily is just unbelievable to me!! You have to ACTUALLY believe the ENTIRE force in Orange County are in to get Casey!!! Well, only one I know who would fall for that is Casey, cause truth is only a fantasy in her life! There are bad apples in EVERY job in America. I just want to hear even one little itty-bitty piece that makes Casey credible about anything? DNA, forensic evidence, cant even believe people in 2008 question the credibility of it, again, unbelievable

Straitfan, she is just too damn cute to have done something like this, sigh.

 

[RR0004]

That would be me. I was disputing the number of DEATH ROW INMATES released based on DNA. Poster suggested hundreds, it is 16. Here is my source. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Sorry...didn't see your post.