To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[LinasK]

Apparently, the Anthony's are getting "tips" that they hand over to LE, and LE is following up on those.

I got the impression that Cindy Anthony wasn't turning tips over to LE, but was instead giving them out to posters.:waitasec:

 

[shadow of my mind]

And, why give KC a "script" for 30 days, that told her to spend all of her time, lying to the cops and clubbing?

WHAT, specifically, was supposed to happen at the end of the 30 days? (Which, BTW, have elapsed.)

Well, playing devil's advocate. By giving her a script for 30 days and have her lie and go out clubing and acting normal everyone who has see the pictures and has read the documents and has formed an opinion the mother is a nut, a liar and a selfish person that cares more about herself than her child so she must have killed her and hid the body. By going along with the plan for 30 days it leaves LE a huge problem. They get handed a cold case.

Do I believe the Z the N story and now the kidnapping script story. It depends on what day it is and if I am using just facts and statements or I am using theory and speculation and undocumented comments added to the known facts. Knowning how in this world some really nasty stuff happens, that thank goodness the average person does not ever half to deal with and for the most part knows nothing about what goes on. ie Human traficking, child etc, there could be some validity to this crazy story.

I also have the problem with seperating speculation and theory from known facts. [I am refering to what is known to the general public].

Case in point.
The big A family fight. There is nothing in the documents that have been released that make this to be a fact. Some peoples statement mention Casey saying that she had problems with her parents. There is one comment made by Mark F. on a GVS show that a neighbor mentioned that he had heard Casey yelling and the Father's day weekend was tossed in there. It has now become part and parcel with the entire time line and motive for Casey having done something to Caylee.

FUHRMAN: Well, I can tell you this. I think the brother is the closest to Casey, and maybe that might be because of age. But he seems to be the one that would be the best chance to of getting Casey to actually come clean with just exactly what she knows.
But I can tell you this. While I was still on the ground in Orlando, I talked to one of the immediate neighbors that is within earshot of the Anthony house, and he said that Casey Anthony had one hell of a temper. And he heard her swearing at her mother several times, so loud that he could hear it from his house, and that he would never talk to his parents that way. And he said even Father's Day weekend, that was going on. So whether that's true or not, it's something that he's observed and heard on repeated times. We'd never heard that before, and so that's interesting all unto itself.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did the parents or the grandparents -- did they say anything to corroborate that, or Lee, or anyone say anything that would tend to corroborate the neighbor's statement?
FUHRMAN: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.

MARK F, FMR LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE August 11, 2008 GVS Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

Then there is the shovel was used on the 6.18
This is another one of those is this fact or not. Again the statement given by BB the neighbor [the only one we have knowledge of] is that he could not give a specfic day. He knew about the how long she had it and what she was wearing when she borrowed it but could not pin down the day. Again there is a comment made by Mark F. he first states that they know a shovel was borrowed but cannot confrim a day and then a couple of sentences later sticks in the 18th date.

Now, there is new information also that tightens this timeline up. We've talked about the shovel, that right next door in that house right there, Casey Anthony went to that house and borrowed a shovel. It hasn't been disclosed what day. We feel it's important, and so does our source, that we tighten up this timeline so people that might have some information during this short two-day period, they might come forward because something that they passed off as information that was possibly not important now becomes important.

Casey Anthony went to that house on the 18th of June. So the 18th of June, we have the shovel that is borrowed next door from Casey Anthony. And then we move backwards. Now, on that day, June 18, there's also another flurry of phone calls, short, reaching-out phone calls.
Now, you can't theorize. You can't speculate on what all this means, but we have now some of the most important items in the case have been reduced. Instead of from June 9 to an unknown date sometime in July, now we've tightened this up to between June 16 at 12:50 PM to sometime in the afternoon of June 18 on Wednesday, when Casey Anthony borrowed the shovel.

MARK F, FMR LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: August 7, 2008 GVS Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html

This is then repeated again as now a fact by GVS on the next days show.
We're going to start first with June 18. Now, June 18 is a very important day in this investigation, because that's the day that the neighbor to Casey Anthony--that's the mother, who was living with her parents, the grandparents--the neighbor to the grandparents and the mother says that two things happened on that day.
One, the neighbor observed Casey, the mother, back her car up into the driveway, something that the neighbors said the neighbor had never seen before.
Two, June 18 is also the day that Casey borrowed a shovel from the neighbor
GVS, FOX NEWS HOST August 8, 2008 GVS Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,401921,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

So, using only statements and evidence that I can see I can not say Caylee is dead. Using my gray matter and adding things like leaked evidence and reporters comments and reasonable theory I would say that Caylee is dead.

 

[Ezryder9]

I respect your opinion. But just for the record, I'm not an angry person. When I look at Casey, I feel very sad.

Talk to you guys later - meet the teacher night.

I am not, by nature, an angry person either. However, this case has changed me -- in a number of ways. And for what it's worth, at the very start of this case, I was an the side of the "she's alive". Didn't want to think, couldn't think, that a mom could kill her own child. Sadly, in following the case, and reading thread after thread, considering what's been presented, and reading the theories of others, and then having the air samples info released, I snapped. I cried. The whole day. Even had meltdown on a thread somewhere. That's when I knew, to my soul, that there was no way that beautiful child was still alive. Did I want to believe that? No. Absolutely not. Not for an instant. Sadly, now I do. If she is found alive, which I respectfully don't expect to happen, I will be standing in line waiting to admit I was wrong and to apologize. If her remains are found, feel free to pm me when you have your breakdown. I'll be there for you.

 

[JustInCase]

They aren't, as far as I know. They have too much evidence that she's NOT living, including the fact that Caylee's grandparents and brother are not looking for a living Caylee, either.

Apparently, the Anthony's are getting "tips" that they hand over to LE, and LE is following up on those.

I'm just wondering, based on the many who have posted their own disatifaction as to the tips they've presented to LE... what evidence do you have that they in fact are following up on these leads? Probably the same evidence that I have that they aren't!

*Perhaps Caylees family has chosen to stay home and hire an investigator instead.? Would you leave the daughter [despite what the world says] home alone to fend for herself, so you can go seek in an effort to please the public, or would you have others do the seeking for you?

I think it's odd that everyone claims to know what's going on behind closed doors here.

*before you decide to PM or whatnot ... no I'm not Casey or Cindy!

 

[LinasK]

*Perhaps Caylees family has chosen to stay home and hire an investigator instead.? The Anthonys would have announced that much as they have their spokesperson. Would you leave the daughter [despite what the world says] home alone to fend for herself, so you can go seek in an effort to please the public, or would you have others do the seeking for you? Casey is not home by herself, she spends 6 hours/day at her lawyers office. I would go to all the places I thought my granddaughter could be if I truly believed she was kidnapped (not for pleasing the public- I wouldn't demand they search if I wasn't willing to do the same). Just look at Beth Holloway for example.

My responses are in red.

 

[beaglebrd]

I'm just wondering, based on the many who have posted their own disatifaction as to the tips they've presented to LE... what evidence do you have that they in fact are following up on these leads? Probably the same evidence that I have that they aren't!

*Perhaps Caylees family has chosen to stay home and hire an investigator instead.? Would you leave the daughter [despite what the world says] home alone to fend for herself, so you can go seek in an effort to please the public, or would you have others do the seeking for you?

I think it's odd that everyone claims to know what's going on behind closed doors here.

*before you decide to PM or whatnot ... no I'm not Casey or Cindy!

You'd have to lock me in my house to keep me from looking for a missing child or grandchild.

 

[Brini]

I got the impression that Cindy Anthony wasn't turning tips over to LE, but was instead giving them out to posters.:waitasec:

Yeah, me, too. But, what I posted is "party line."

 

[kwmred]

LOL, again, you have no facts that she is dead, only missing. Show me one hard fact that she's dead and I'll shut up, until then, you're JUST GUESSING based on what the TV and Internet have said. I can literally show you thousands upon thousands of examples that people have lied on TV. I can read just as good as everyone on this site -- and I've got quite a bit of experience in the court room. Based on what we've seen, they have no case.

This doesn't mean that they have no case. This means that they have no case based on what we've seen. Again, no paperwork = no evidence. You can't trust someone's words as far as you can spit. This is reality.

Okay, I've just been reading pages and pages from this thread and holding back since I have many more pages to go. However, this post really caught my eye and not in a good way.

 

[gibby207]

I question whether or not there would be so many supporters of Caylee is alive theory if, say, KC was an overweight Latina (nothing against Latinas...just rhetorical) with missing teeth and clothes from K-Mart and not this attractive, thin, white girl.

IOW....A cute girl just can't do that!

 

[Ezryder9]

Can you give us a summary or a link when they are done.

Angel, I wish I could! I'm one of the more computer stupid people on here. It was CNN's guy, Marva, Mike Brooks, and M NeJame. Discussing charges on the checks. Honestly, they confused me a little. Said there were new 'count' on old 'charges' on the checks stolen from AH. They said she is now facing 10 counts in all on 5 checks, and that each count carries a maximum sentence of 5 years, therefore, 5 x 10 = 50 years max on the money counts, so far. (I don't know how to do links to something I watch on TV. Any help would be appreciated.)

 

[dcorrigano]

Those reports won't be released until Casey is in custody and the murder charges have been filed. Just be patient. The prosecutors have to turn over all their evidence to the defense in the discovery phase of the trial. Just because you- the general public hasn't viewed it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

True that!! Doesnt mean they do exist either.. hahaha

 

[Brini]

I'm just wondering, based on the many who have posted their own disatifaction as to the tips they've presented to LE... what evidence do you have that they in fact are following up on these leads? Probably the same evidence that I have that they aren't!

*Perhaps Caylees family has chosen to stay home and hire an investigator instead.? Would you leave the daughter [despite what the world says] home alone to fend for herself, so you can go seek in an effort to please the public, or would you have others do the seeking for you?

I think it's odd that everyone claims to know what's going on behind closed doors here.

*before you decide to PM or whatnot ... no I'm not Casey or Cindy!

Your 23 year old daughter should be able to fend for herself, in most situations. This, however, is not most situations.

If they felt she was physically unsafe, why keep getting her out of jail? Also, the cops might go for a safe house situation.

The Anthonys have not hired a P.I., nor have they searched, themselves, at all. So, for what are they using the money donated to "search for Caylee?"

 

[dcorrigano]

I'm still interested in what proof the 'believers' are using to determine that Caylee is, in fact, alive.

Pointing to not having the FBI reports in front of them to show otherwise is not proof.

The people who believe Caylee is deceased are pointing to the things they have seen from LE or heard from LE to make a conclusion.

What EVIDENCE leads to a conclusion of an alive Caylee?

things like:

- verified sighting?
- photograph taken?
- eyewitness who saw Caylee w/someone?
- someone heard the little girl say her name in the last 9 weeks?
- a plane ticket?
- someone suddenly has 'adopted' a little 3 yr old girl who looks like Caylee?


anything?

Nope not true, I am in the I think Caylee is dead camp and I even believe KC did it. Get this, I dont even think it was an accident, I think it was intentional murder 1. But I don't see any evidence to support my personal opinion either.

 

[Brini]

From your posts on the ALIVE thread (which you allow no dissent on, or you view it as a "personal attack" on you), I've read all about how Cindy Anthony personally contacted you and asked you to pursue leads in Hatillo, Puerto Rico. Do you not think I'd be here if I didn't want justice for Caylee? I want her murdering mother(IMO) put to justice.

Why doesn't Cindy go herself, send Lee, or hire a P.I. to go to Hatillo, PR?

 

[Ezryder9]

:smiley4:

I got the impression that Cindy Anthony wasn't turning tips over to LE, but was instead giving them out to posters.:waitasec:

 

[JustInCase]

My responses are in red.

Yeah the red stuff is clear, I Got that.

I'm wondering ... did no one that actually read the documents? ... Not see a disjointed, oblique line of questioning to the "players" by LE?

That line of questioning was beveled at the very least!

As have been all the leaks! Oh I mean triumphs! [depending on your perspective here]

No one here doubts that Casey has/is/does/will ... and continues to lie ... or [at the very least tells half truths]

But you know why that doesn't make her murderer? ... Cause it's been a life-long pattern ... At least according to her friends ... the sworn testament's of her friendships from at least high school graduation to now. state at least a theory of dishonesty?

Let's Hash it out ... cuz ... I'm starting to feel spent.

 

[RR0004]

I'm just wondering, based on the many who have posted their own disatifaction as to the tips they've presented to LE... what evidence do you have that they in fact are following up on these leads? Probably the same evidence that I have that they aren't!

*Perhaps Caylees family has chosen to stay home and hire an investigator instead.? Would you leave the daughter [despite what the world says] home alone to fend for herself, so you can go seek in an effort to please the public, or would you have others do the seeking for you?

I think it's odd that everyone claims to know what's going on behind closed doors here.

*before you decide to PM or whatnot ... no I'm not Casey or Cindy!

I'm confused. Wasn't KC in jail not accepting visitors including her own family? That might have been a good time to go out and follow up on tips. I've wondered about the PI. How come we've never heard a word about what he's been doing? As he may be ex-LE himself, perhaps he's not good at his job either.

 

[dcorrigano]

The problem here is that you folks BELIEVE EVERYTHING you hear whether it's real or not. Then you run with it and never question it. That's sad.

Really scares me too, especially in an election year

 

[Ezryder9]

I'm just wondering, based on the many who have posted their own disatifaction as to the tips they've presented to LE... what evidence do you have that they in fact are following up on these leads? Probably the same evidence that I have that they aren't!

We can turn that question right back around and ask the same of the A's. I point specifically to an early on statement that CA made that she would walk every inch of the earth to find her grandchild. Has she? I can't answer that with certainty, but I've not seen any media coverage of this, which makes me suspicious, since they are everywhere.

*Perhaps Caylees family has chosen to stay home and hire an investigator instead.? Would you leave the daughter [despite what the world says] home alone to fend for herself, so you can go seek in an effort to please the public, or would you have others do the seeking for you?

Have you seen any evidence of an investigator? I haven't. Maybe I missed it. And if KC had cooperated, as it was originally indicated she would, with LP and his group, she would have security and CA could search. And no, I would no rely nor demand of others that they get off their arzes and search, unless they were following the parade I'd be leading.

I think it's odd that everyone claims to know what's going on behind closed doors here.

I have no clue nor any interest in knowing what goes on behind their doors. I'd much rather see they outside, searching.

 

[RR0004]

O.K. if you have read my previous post you know my theory and why I think she's dead but I think this post misses the point of the posters who believe she is alive. What we know is that we had a little girl "alive" and now she is missing. So until you "Prove" she is dead we should be able to believe she is or at least explore the possibility. They know what the evidence indicates but they want proof/facts. I see no problem with this. If it was my child and there was 1% chance she was alive I would never give up regardless of what the evidence eludes to or may indicate.....

I'm sure if it were your child (G-d forbid) you would tell the truth and help in any way you could to find that child.