To all who believe Caylee is ALIVE, explain this?

[raeann]

The attorneys on Nancy Grace last night didn't think this was standard practice, not one of them.

If you are one who believes everything you hear on NG is true, then you are seriously mistaken. There are seven attorneys in my family and a federal judge who is a family friend who have confirmed to me that this IS standard practice, and I can show you a nationally known local case where this was done by the attorneys for both of the defendants involved.

 

[MissOtk]

OH CRICKEY, The baby is gone. We can pretend she is playing with puppy dogs and running thru fields chasing butterflies till the cows come home. This is the most sought child in the world. If someone had her, we'd know about it.

well, it was good for awhile anyway!

 

[dcorrigano]

I have read the documents....and listened to the official statements of LE. They have clearly stated they are releasing NO DNA EVIDENCE. So any that is out there is NOT OFFICIAL OR CONFIRMED.

I am in no way stating an opinion on what CA should do or not do in her defense, or stating an opinion of whether she is guilty of anything. Just saying that the scientific information being quoted has NEVER been confirmed as factual or accurate. It is innuendo and assumptions, and in many cases flat out rumor created by blogs and repeated by media as true. I will form my opinions when the REAL information is available and not until then.

That's all Im saying.

 

[kidz110]

If they can get Casey to tell where Caylee is before decomposition got so far, they may have a better chance to prove cause of death. That is what they are looking for. With cause of death, they can take that a step further and determine premeditation.

I don't want to upset anyone, but by now they will never know cause of death from the body unless some broken bones can prove it. My sister was only missing 5 days and there was so little left they could not determine cause of death. They even needed DNA to confirm it was her.

 

[Brini]

Its already been stated here and on NG that evidence can not be used in court because it is a new technology and can have false positives. Do a search for it, Im not going to do your research for you.

If it can't be used in court, its not good enough for me. I need more proof before I write this child off as dead.

A bunch of people on a website who THINKS she is dead without evidence enough to bring charges on someone isn't enough to make me give up hope, sorry to say.

DNA evidence has been used in court for decades. The FBI labs are among the finest in the world. When is the last time you heard of FBI lab evidence showing "false positives?" Are you thinking that ALL the evidence is showing "false positives." The death bands on hair have also been admissible to court for decades. ONE of the three females-- Cindy, Casey, or Caylee, is provably deceased by a combination of the death band on the hair and the maternal DNA. Are you saying that BOTH tests are showing false positives? We know that Casey andf Cindy are not dead. Who, by process of elimination, must be the deceased person?

DNA technology has come to the point where 30 year old murders are being solved, and people who have been wrongly imprisoned are getting out. It's THAT good.

 

[Sassynic]

How about the DNA that proves there was a dead body in the car???

 

[kidz110]

We can pretend she is playing with puppy dogs and running thru fields chasing butterflies till the cows come home. This is the most sought child in the world.

I still see her doing that. Just not here on earth.

 

[SewingDeb]

If you are one who believes everything you hear on NG is true, then you are seriously mistaken. There are seven attorneys in my family and a federal judge who is a family friend who have confirmed to me that this IS standard practice, and I can show you a nationally known local case where this was done by the attorneys for both of the defendants involved.

Maybe Nancy should have your family's attorneys on her show instead of the ones she had on last night. I didn't hear it from Nancy (well, yes I did but I take what she says with a grain of salt), it was from her attorney guests. You would think at least one would agree with the lawyers in your family.

 

[dcorrigano]

How about the DNA that proves there was a dead body in the car???

Show me the DNA evidence, show me the reports.
Dont show me a link where the Sheriff says "evidence". Show me the actual reports.

All Im saying, to stay objective and remember words are words, evidence is evidence.

 

[Talison]

Also, the statement from Sgt. Allen isn't all we have from LE about the evidence.

Statements from Matt Irwin:
"We have scientific evidence back from the FBI lab,” Commander Matt Irwin with the Orange County Sheriffs Office said. “We have other evidence we have not yet released publicly, all of that evidence at this point in its totality leads us to believe Caylee is deceased."

and

“I'm saying the lab results indicate there was human decomposition in the car,” Commander Irwin said. “And Caylee cannot be excluded from that. But we have other evidence we have not made public that corroborates or otherwise enhances our belief that Caylee is likely to have been deceased."

Link: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/p...n=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Combine that with Sgt. Allen's statement (from the video link I posted):

"We clearly have evidence that indicates that there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car, and that that body was Caylee."

I'm just not sure how it's possible to ignore statements like that from LE. Maybe someone can explain it to me? Is it that you believe they're bluffing, or just that they're incompetent and wrong?

 

[raeann]

Maybe Nancy should have your family's attorneys on her show instead of the ones she had on last night. I didn't hear it from Nancy (well, yes I did but I take what she says with a grain of salt), it was from her attorney guests. You would think at least one would agree with the lawyers in your family.

I am not going to get into an argument with anyone about this. I will simply say that the attorneys with whom I have spoken are actual practicing attorneys who try real cases on a regular basis. If you are determined enough to check, you will find that many of the "experts" used on the talk shows do little in the legal field besides "hire themselves out" to do such interviews. Many of them have not practiced in years, and some of them do not even have current licenses to practice law.

 

[OrlandoHH]

We are going to have to all agree to disagree on this very touchy subject - those of us who believe in that "1 in 100" chance that she is alive, and those of us who can see through the very thin veil & know that she is deceased. I go back & forth ALL the time because this case has really drained my emotions & energy - me and my husband. I believe that little girl is deceased, but there are some points in the day I think of Cindy & George and I just want to drive over there & hug them, support them, join them in hope. Then I quickly snap back into reality & I remember their words - their backpeddaling, their lies to PROTECT THEIR DAUGHTER, not their granddaughter - THEIR DAUGHTER. We are told Casey will be mother of the year when we find out what she's done to protect her daughter and her family. We are told there was possibly another dead body placed in the car. We are told her DAUGHTER is INNOCENT. We are told a liar doesn't make a murderer. What everyone is having a hard time grasping is that Casey Anthony is sheer evil. I have sources close to this situation, and I have first hand knowledge of someone who has spoken to Casey in the last two weeks. She has a wall up around herself, and she believes 100% all the lies she is spewing. She is NOT MENTALLY ILL in the bipolar or manic sense, which is what is thrown around all day long. She is pure and simple, an evil human being. She is laughing and hi fiving her brother - there is nothing to laugh about. She is negotiating a 7 figure payday for "her story". I am soooooooo sick of people giving her the benefit of the doubt.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Show me the DNA evidence, show me the reports.
Dont show me a link where the Sheriff says "evidence". Show me the actual reports.

All Im saying, to stay objective and remember words are words, evidence is evidence.

1. If you're not connected to the investigation of the case you're not going to see the ACTUAL reports (and you know that).

2. Experts who have seen the actual reports and were responsible for creating and interpreting the evidence will testify to that in court. They will not come on a message board and provide 'proof' to a bunch of posters.

3. The media can't just make up facts about the case and not get caught. If they are releasing info that is patently false, they can/will be sued.

 

[dcorrigano]

Also, the statement from Sgt. Allen isn't all we have from LE about the evidence.

Statements from Matt Irwin:
"We have scientific evidence back from the FBI lab,” Commander Matt Irwin with the Orange County Sheriffs Office said. “We have other evidence we have not yet released publicly, all of that evidence at this point in its totality leads us to believe Caylee is deceased."

and

“I'm saying the lab results indicate there was human decomposition in the car,” Commander Irwin said. “And Caylee cannot be excluded from that. But we have other evidence we have not made public that corroborates or otherwise enhances our belief that Caylee is likely to have been deceased."

Link: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox/p...n=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Combine that with Sgt. Allen's statement (from the video link I posted):

"We clearly have evidence that indicates that there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car, and that that body was Caylee."

I'm just not sure how it's possible to ignore statements like that from LE. Maybe someone can explain it to me? Is it that you believe they're bluffing, or just that they're incompetent and wrong?

What if the reporter had said to them "SHOW ME"? and they said oh no we cant do that... Why? You are talking about it on national TV, if you truly believe what you are saying and it isnt a ploy to get her to talk then you wouldnt have a problem with showing us those reports. Would your opinion change?

 

[GameTheory]

IMO the reason Casey isn't upset is because Caylee wasn't taken, she was given away. If they were going to kick her out, they were going to lose them both. I think the reason she isn't giving in is because she doesn't have to, she hasn't been cornered yet. When the officers took her to Universal, she played the game until there weren't any moves left. She couldn't adopt her out because of grandparents rights in the state of Florida. She's right back at her favorite position as the center of attention in that family. I think Casey is making the prove they love her best. Seriously, is anyone looking for a live child? What happens if after they've use so many resources to find a body Caylee is found alive? Everyone is going to complain about how much time and money was "wasted". Again, this is just my opinion.

Hi. Please listen to my counter-argument without thinking I am being antagonistic to you. Just debating your argument and not your belief that Caylee is alive. :blowkiss:

Let's say Casey is not worrying about the baby and she was able to go out clubbing and dancing and enjoy her time with her boyfriend because she willingly gave the baby and she is feeling safe about it.

Now two things about this theory that are problematic:

1. If she willingly gave the baby because she wanted her freedom and she wanted to live like a 22 year old without any children, why is she now choosing to sit in jail? I mean her plan was to give the baby to someone else cause she wanted her life back. Fine. But since now she is back and forth in jail and in home-confinement what is in it for her?

2. Why will the people that took Caylee keep her and risk their own lifes and personal freedom? Let's say they are a nice family with a big farm somewhere and lots of animals and they are great people and Casey gave them the baby to raise it. Why are these people risking their life and possibly being convicted for LWP holding on Caylee? If Casey told them the baby was abused at home for example and they wanted to protect the baby....well Casey has been uncovered as a pathological liar on National Tv for 2 months now. Wouldn't these people come forward and talk to LE? Also if it was an illegal adoption wouldn't these people be worried that once Casey is faced with real consequences and bored sitting in jail she can come up with any kind of fictional story and put on them terrible charges?

3. Now in science when you formulate a theory and you want that theory to be accepted as valid, there is one important element we shouldn't forget - that this theory needs to fit ALL of the other parameters, all instances, all occassions, and in the case of a police investigation all the evidence. The theory needs to stand with all the data you have. If you exclude something then that is problematic. So while your theory is possible and the best scenario we are all hoping, it doesn't fit with all the facts that are out there. One can believe Casey did give the child and only see she is not stressed about the situation but what happens if you bring into this theory the FACTS of decomposition in the car, the facts of chloroform, the facts that Casey did not have money (so she didn't sell the baby), and most importantly the LE checked all of her telephone conversations. So if this deal happened and Casey gave them the child there would have been some phone records or internet records of a kind to indicate the existence of these people that have Caylee now and communication with them. This is not an arrangement you make with someone you just met on the street.

 

[SleuthyGal]

I think hope and faith are totally fine. Everyone wants Caylee to be alive. But posters are asking what evidence (and not your 'feelings' and 'hopes') lead you to conclude she is, in fact, alive.

We have evidence that she is deceased. You might not believe that evidence. But that doesn't make it false. So what evidence (again, besides your BELIEF or non-belief in forensics) shows us an alive Caylee? Cause me? I've seen nothing that points me in that direction at this point.

 

[concentric]

Just throwing this out there...
If Casey gave Caylee to someone, we'll say "to hold" even if she offered it as a permanent situation, (she obviously didn't sell her or she wouldn't be stealing from her friends and family), how would that person be in violation of the law...if they had the parents permission. However, if that person were to come forward now, don't you think they would suddenly become the kidnapper? They'd end up spending the reward money on bail and attorney fees...

Another reason I could never believe that someone is holding Caylee for Casey besides the forensics, her criminal behavior, etc. etc. is that:

You would have to believe that someone was completely devoted to Casey and her coverup.

I'm sure in Casey's mind everyone should be unquestionably devoted to her--after all, she is "all that".

 

[kidz110]

I am not going to get into an argument with anyone about this. I will simply say that the attorneys with whom I have spoken are actual practicing attorneys who try real cases on a regular basis. If you are determined enough to check, you will find that many of the "experts" used on the talk shows do little in the legal field besides "hire themselves out" to do such interviews. Many of them have not practiced in years, and some of them do not even have current licenses to practice law.

I'm not questioning what the attorneys you know said, but do they realize she has only been charged with child neglect? Baez was jumping the gun.

 

[seagull65]

I have thought about that a lot. You cannot diagnose someone on hearsay and observing snippets from TV news....HOWEVER, her own mother said this (she's a sociopath) about her. It's in the 400+ pages.

I've read the pages, too. I know her mother seemed to have that opinion at least during those couple of days when she (the mother) called all of Casey's friends to tell them not to talk to her, not to believe anything she was saying, etc. I don't know what CA's reasons were, she was probably very upset. I still have not heard if Casey has ever had comprehensive medical testing to rule out other medical problem, cognitive/brain disorder, seizure disorder (reportedly she did have at least one seizure and was taken to the hospital by JG), drug addiction or other problem that might explain more about her behavior. I stand by my statement that thorough medical testing would have to be performed to rule out other health problem.

Regarding the stealing, I agree with the posters on this thread that said there could be a lot of reasons for that, i.e., basically she was broke. She had left her parents' home with virtually no preparation for the work world, to make enough to support herself and her daughter. She wanted to be able to socialize and have fun like the other young people she was running around with. She at one time asked for money from a friend to pay "rent" to her parents. So, this could be at the root of the stealing.

I knew someone once, a very outstanding student and super nice person, who had a nervous breakdown during her first year of college due to the stress of a heavy school schedule and personal stressors, and went on a stealing spree. Incidentally she had always been known to tell very small harmless white lies, everyone who knew her knew this, I honestly don't think she could help this, I think she wanted to please everyone. She would never harm anyone, she's a very kind person. Anyway, it all finally crashed and she was charged with grand larceny. Luckily she was able to return much of what had been stolen, she got the help she needed and recovered fully. She never had anything like that again. 20 years later she's a professional and terrific mother of 3.

 

[Mendara]

(respectfully snipped for space)

Honestly though, at this point if Casey knows Caylee is being hidden from George and Cindy, dont you think she would have spilled the beans? Or at the very least whoever is in cahoots with her, if this were true would be scared snotless that LE is gonna show up, this case has almost hourly national coverage, and no one is going to slip up and say "Casey gave Caylee to ____ to keep her away from Casey's parents"
I am convinced that Caylee is dead, but this is just my opinion, I am not trying to antagonize you at all.

Nah she rather go to jail and have people call her a murderer..oh yeah and she rather face a trial and risk more jail time than "say where caylee is at". so rididculous that people think she is hiding her daughter from her parents. and this person who has her daughter, why did they agree to keep her and why would they risk their own freedom and not turn her in?

I respect the people who think she is alive but I just can't agree with their very strange theories.