To pass or not to pass, polygraphs are the question

[twall]

Most of the time, LE doesn't tell someone whether they passed or failed, esp. if they are a suspect, or no one has been cleared yet. If you ask, they say something like they're satisfied with the results.

I agree, though... Misty failed because she lied.

I agree and it has been mentioned before that Misty and/or Ron may have misunderstood the polygrapher when he/she said he/she was satisfied with the results. They could have thought that meant they passed. Or they were flat out lying.

In the famous Greta interview she has an interesting conversation with Ron and Misty about their police administered polys.

JMO

 

[suspicious1]

I agree and it has been mentioned before that Misty and/or Ron may have misunderstood the polygrapher when he/she said he/she was satisfied with the results. They could have thought that meant they passed. Or they were flat out lying.

In the famous Greta interview she has an interesting conversation with Ron and Misty about their police administered polys.

JMO

Twall, ITA! I would like to hear more about Ron's LDT. LE said that Misty was NOT the only one with inconsistencies. I mean, we know that Ron took a LDT too. I believe that LE was referring to those who had taken a LDT when they made that comment and IMO, Misty was NOT the only one who failed it. JMO though.

 

[butterfly1978]

She didn't pass any of them, that's the point.

I understand that she didn't pass any of them, my question is did she fail the entire polygraph, including her set up questions you know the ones that say is your name Misty Croslin\Cummings....... See all we are hearing is that she failed the poly's, but did she fail even the questions that she couldn't lie about... thats the real question, we have not seen any of the poly's nor has anyone asked that question that I have seen thus far. Because if she even failed the questions like what is your name and how old are you, then she simply can not pass a poly, and there are many reasons for that, it could be nerves, it could be medication, it could be a mental problem...

I am in no way defending Misty because I honestly beleive she knows what happened to Haleigh, but it just doesn't make since that she keeps leading back to the same two people, both of which are suspicious, and she knows that they are going to require a poly to beleive anything she says so it doesn't make since she would continue to lie. I am afraid she is telling the truth about Tommy and Joe and no one is listening.
Things about Tommy that make him suspicious....
He admits to going over to the trailor that night.
IMO he has drastically spiraled out of control this year.
Ron putting the rat in his mail box
Now IMO Timmy is more suspicious than Tommy but I'm going based on Misty's allegations.
Cousin Joe's suspicious behavior
He is a SO
He was in town from TN
he had a fight with Ron (supposedly)
He left rather abruptly after the disappearance
He was sleeping in his clothes (allegedly)

I would like for LE to give Tommy, Joe and Timmy all poly's I think that would clear this mess up, maybe Misty can't pass the poly's so IMO Poly the ones she is accusing....plus Timmy...
just to get this off my chest..
Timmy's suspicious behavior
Misty called Timmy several times that night (allegedly)
It was Timmy's van that was scratched
Timmy left Florida and stated he would not return because he would be thrown in jail.
Joe was staying with Timmy
I know theres more I just can't think right now, its 6am and I can't sleep.

 

[butterfly1978]

I have one more point to make.... Poly's are 95% reliable.... Most birth controls are 98% reliable.... I have two, yes I said TWO girls conceived while taking birth control!

 

[Donjeta]

I understand that she didn't pass any of them, my question is did she fail the entire polygraph, including her set up questions you know the ones that say is your name Misty Croslin\Cummings....... See all we are hearing is that she failed the poly's, but did she fail even the questions that she couldn't lie about... thats the real question, we have not seen any of the poly's nor has anyone asked that question that I have seen thus far. Because if she even failed the questions like what is your name and how old are you, then she simply can not pass a poly, and there are many reasons for that, it could be nerves, it could be medication, it could be a mental problem...

I'm not really sure and I'm not an expert in this but it is my understanding that you couldn't really "fail" the LDT control questions, such as is your name Misty Cummings, etc. The way I understand it, the physiological response rate to those neutral questions you would be telling the truth about is used to figure out what your personal baseline is, and that personal baseline is used as the basis for comparisons in the important questions. Essentially a deception-indicated response is a response that indicates high stress. In operational terms it's a response that goes way over the baseline that's been determined by the control questions. You might be under exceptional stress during the control questions and have heightened physiological responses (compared to people in general) if you're very nervous but I don't think that would count as failing the control questions, it would just upgrade your baseline to account for the heightened general anxiety level you've exhibited during the test. It's more difficult to come up with a significant increase in physiological response rates while lying if it's already through the roof at hello. It's possible that the investigator may take a look at your results and conclude you're too tense overall to say anything meaningful and it will come back as inconclusive.

If innocent people get the failing result I think it might often be because innocent people can figure out the important questions too, and it's not just the guilty ones who get tense. The innocent ones realize that if they fail the LDT the police might get more suspicious of them and since there's lots of talk about erroneous results they might not trust their ability to pass and thus they get more tense when asked "Did you kill your husband" because this is the question that might have them end up in jail as innocent.

I don't think re-polygraphing Misty time and time again is doing much good. I don't understand why she agrees. Maybe it's useful as an investigative pressure-building tool but not as a truth-finding device, IMO. I think the more polygraphs she fails the less confident she can be about her ability to ever pass one, and that would make her more tense and less likely to calmly pass any future polygraphs.

 

[Donjeta]

I have one more point to make.... Poly's are 95% reliable.... Most birth controls are 98% reliable.... I have two, yes I said TWO girls conceived while taking birth control!

Congratulations for your lovely daughters!

Did you take the 95 % figure from my post above? I just want to point out that it wasn't a fact, it was speculation that I pulled out of a hat, mainly because a .05 probability is thought significant at most scientific arenas.

 

[butterfly1978]

Congratulations for your lovely daughters!

Did you take the 95 % figure from my post above? I just want to point out that it wasn't a fact, it was speculation that I pulled out of a hat, mainly because a .05 probability is thought significant at most scientific arenas.

thanks, I love my babies...well they aren't babies anymore, 12 and 13, so i'm thankful the birth control wasn't reliable... but yes I did get that 95% figure from your post.. I figured you researched it as I was am to lazy to, LOL

 

[ScorpRising]

I failed 3 (count 'em... 3) poly's during pre-employment testing. I can not pass a lie detector test. I do know the questions I failed on and but do not know the reason as to why my responses showed deception. I can tell you this... my failing questions related to my drug use, something I do not take lightly. About a week before my poly, I was at a party which was the first time I had seen cocaine. I was so distraught about it that I left shortly after arriving. I failed the cocaine question on my poly every time it was brought up. I discussed my drug use at length with my examiner before the test and between each test. I was comfortable with the questions he was asking but still, I showed deception every time.

Following my third failed poly, I was sent for a psych eval where I was told my experimental drug use was abnormal... The dr. drew me a curve describing how most people start out slowly, peak and decline slowly over time. Mine, on the other hand, was more of a steep mountain, over the course of 8 months in college. I explained those 8 months were where I had a bf in with the wrong crowd, smoked some weed, did some whippits, took some yellow jackets and when we split up, I stopped it all.

 

[Baxter]

I understand that she didn't pass any of them, my question is did she fail the entire polygraph, including her set up questions you know the ones that say is your name Misty Croslin\Cummings....... See all we are hearing is that she failed the poly's, but did she fail even the questions that she couldn't lie about... thats the real question, we have not seen any of the poly's nor has anyone asked that question that I have seen thus far. Because if she even failed the questions like what is your name and how old are you, then she simply can not pass a poly, and there are many reasons for that, it could be nerves, it could be medication, it could be a mental problem...

I am in no way defending Misty because I honestly beleive she knows what happened to Haleigh, but it just doesn't make since that she keeps leading back to the same two people, both of which are suspicious, and she knows that they are going to require a poly to beleive anything she says so it doesn't make since she would continue to lie. I am afraid she is telling the truth about Tommy and Joe and no one is listening.
Things about Tommy that make him suspicious....
He admits to going over to the trailor that night.
IMO he has drastically spiraled out of control this year.
Ron putting the rat in his mail box
Now IMO Timmy is more suspicious than Tommy but I'm going based on Misty's allegations.
Cousin Joe's suspicious behavior
He is a SO
He was in town from TN
he had a fight with Ron (supposedly)
He left rather abruptly after the disappearance
He was sleeping in his clothes (allegedly)


I would like for LE to give Tommy, Joe and Timmy all poly's I think that would clear this mess up, maybe Misty can't pass the poly's so IMO Poly the ones she is accusing....plus Timmy...
just to get this off my chest..
Timmy's suspicious behavior
Misty called Timmy several times that night (allegedly)
It was Timmy's van that was scratched
Timmy left Florida and stated he would not return because he would be thrown in jail.
Joe was staying with Timmy
I know theres more I just can't think right now, its 6am and I can't sleep.

BBM

This has been discussed ad nauseum. JO is NOT a RO.

 

[lonetraveler]

I want to address why I feel the poly is a true report on Misty. It is because she is lying. How can anyone believe she watched someone take Haleigh and not tell a soul for over a year? She has no love for cousin Joe! She does love Ronald, and she would have told him. She has accused (falsely in my opinion) Tommy and Joe for many things. What reason would she have for keeping this a secret? Her latest scenario makes absolutely no sense. If her Poly came back that she was honest on these latest accusations, then I would be screaming that the poly was a bunch of crap! Poly's may not be accurate, but I think this one was dead on! Did anybody really, honest to goodness, ever think this was what happened?

Well, we know that Misty is lying because she has contradicted her own stories several times that we know about through the press. This last story contradicts with Misty being in an exhaustive sleep and not hearing or seeing anything, waking and seeing the kitchen light on, the back door open and Haleigh missing. Now, the entire new story about Tommy and Joe coming over to steal a gun and taking Haleigh instead with a very much awake Misty. Then we hear not too long ago that Misty had indeed left the MH for a few minutes and when she returned, Haleigh was gone. Then the infamous LVA test where she remembers four people being there the night that Haleigh became missing. She appears to remember anything that does not pur her or Ron harming Haleigh......but one thing we all should know by now, Misty is a pathological liar.

 

[Skully]

BBM

This has been discussed ad nauseum. JO is NOT a RO.

Thank you Baxter,

I was just too tired to comment on it again.