To pass or not to pass, polygraphs are the question

[Maryann123]

I think a poly is a good tool, regardless of the results you receive. Asking questions that you don't know the answers to, would not be a good indication of someone lying. In order for Misty to fail, I believe she had to give answers that show truthfulness in some aspects, (things that LE know to be facts) and lying in others. By her answers, the poly tells LE not to put much stock in what she says. Not that she isn't telling the truth, just that she doesn't appear to be telling the truth. If she had passed, I believe they would be all over Tommy and Joe right now. If the poly wasn't infallible, there would be no reason to test Tommy. My opinion.

 

[elle1919]

I hope they have taken a doctor in to speak with Misty, more importantly a psychiatric doctor. Didn't Misty say they( the jail) were giving her something for her nerves, named the medicine on the jail tape, even?

She needs to be examined, perhaps there is some underlying or overlying thing going on that is interfering with these tests. I am sure not able to compare Misty to a criminal mastermind, but she is not passing these tests she is failing them all. Is there those who CAN'T pass a poly? I have to assume they are asking her test questions, she must get past those right? If she is failing miserable and flunking every question , does that mean she can't even answer "what is your name," correctly? I am confuzzled.

 

[Kimster]

That's why I started this thread, to see if there are those who just can't pass a polygraph for some reason. And if so, what are those reasons and can we determine that Misty fits the bill?

Still more sleuthing to be done on this topic!

 

[Skully]

I don't know why she keeps asking for the LDT if she can't pass it? I don't think she has been trained on how to beat it, and now whats to see if she can, but I don't know who she is talking to either. I do wonder if a question was a question that "upset her or hit a nerve" would that be showing as a lie. If she did see Joe take Haleigh, would the memory of it and the question, raise the blood pressure, tighten the muscles and cause her to sweat? She has taken at 3 LDT no? And she tried hypnosis and VSA (voice stress analysis) She is off drugs, but could be still detoxing. She could be just scared and nervous of failing and so she fails. Or she is lying.

 

[elle1919]

Maybe she really didn't see anything, was sleeping, passed out, etc....and she is just spinning web after web. Maybe if Tommy takes a LDT finally we will learn some bombshell news.



ETA....wonder if her mother ever told her the story of the boy who cried wolf.

 

[TellMeYourStory]

Would a pathological liar pass a poly? I'm not sure, since I'm beginning to think Misty might be one.

Many psychiatric studies claim that pathological liars do believe their own lies. There are other studies that dispute this.

If Misty has convinced herself that her lies are the truth, then I think she could pass a poly. JMO.

The subject of the thread seems to be that she didn't pass though. Sorry if my replying to another post is off topic.

 

[elle1919]

Many psychiatric studies claim that pathological liars do believe their own lies. There are other studies that dispute this.

If Misty has convinced herself that her lies are the truth, then I think she could pass a poly. JMO.

The subject of the thread seems to be that she didn't pass though. Sorry if my replying to another post is off topic.

nope she didn't pass, again. Seems she can't pass one at all. Maybe her big brother will have better luck.

Don't know if I have said it before, to ya, but WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS.

Glad to have ya here.

 

[TellMeYourStory]

nope she didn't pass, again. Seems she can't pass one at all. Maybe her big brother will have better luck.

Don't know if I have said it before, to ya, but WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS.

Glad to have ya here.

Thanks so much for the welcome, elle!

I've never had much faith in polygraph tests because of the many reasons and articles linked to here. But in Misty's case I'm wondering why she couldn't have passed at least one.

I could see initially failing the first one due to stress, nervousness, etc. But by the second or third one it would seem you'd be prepared. :waitasec:

 

[elle1919]

very curious as to whether or not we will ever know what questions were asked. I know the last test that Art Harris spoke about last night he said she failed every question. I keep wondering if she failed even those " baseline questions" such as, what is your name, how old are you, when you were born etc...etc...

 

[Muffet]

I don't trust polygraphs to work with certain personalities, including mine. I overthink details, buts...and generally don't do straight answers well. :crazy:

The thing with Misty is that the polys aren't the only indication that she's lying or "key."

 

[LFlorida]

Maybe she really didn't see anything, was sleeping, passed out, etc....and she is just spinning web after web. Maybe if Tommy takes a LDT finally we will learn some bombshell news.



ETA....wonder if her mother ever told her the story of the boy who cried wolf.

A hypothetical for you. [btw - I am in no way implying anyone was at a bar on 2/9/09.]

IF a subject is unable to recall the events of a particular night [perhaps because she got head-on-the-bar-counter drunk & stoned], and...

IF the subject relied on others to fill in the gaps in their memory [such as a "friend" who later says she was also at the bar that night], and....

IF the 2nd person's stories didn't quite line up with the subject's recollections of the evening [such as the subject recalling that she was at Bar XYZ when she started drinking, but the friend tells her, "we were never at Bar XYZ, we were at Bar ABC,"], then.....

Would the subject fail a polygraph when questioned about events on the night in question?

 

[4Jacy]

A hypothetical for you. [btw - I am in no way implying anyone was at a bar on 2/9/09.]

IF a subject is unable to recall the events of a particular night [perhaps because she got head-on-the-bar-counter drunk & stoned], and...

IF the subject relied on others to fill in the gaps in their memory [such as a "friend" who later says she was also at the bar that night], and....

IF the 2nd person's stories didn't quite line up with the subject's recollections of the evening [such as the subject recalling that she was at Bar XYZ when she started drinking, but the friend tells her, "we were never at Bar XYZ, we were at Bar ABC,"], then.....

Would the subject fail a polygraph when questioned about events on the night in question?

LF, this deserves more than a thanks because it is probably exactly what happened. I knew someone this happened to several times, although a crime was not involved. He didn't know where he had been or what he had done, and drugs were not even involved, just booze.

It was a very bad situation and he learned his lesson!

 

[Maryann123]

A hypothetical for you. [btw - I am in no way implying anyone was at a bar on 2/9/09.]

Snipped by me.

Would the subject fail a polygraph when questioned about events on the night in question?

Throw drugs in there too!
It's just funny how she remembers her actions (word for word) after she woke up at "ummmmm 3 or errrr 3 something, I didnt look at the clock exactly."

 

[Skully]

A hypothetical for you. [btw - I am in no way implying anyone was at a bar on 2/9/09.]

IF a subject is unable to recall the events of a particular night [perhaps because she got head-on-the-bar-counter drunk & stoned], and...

IF the subject relied on others to fill in the gaps in their memory [such as a "friend" who later says she was also at the bar that night], and....

IF the 2nd person's stories didn't quite line up with the subject's recollections of the evening [such as the subject recalling that she was at Bar XYZ when she started drinking, but the friend tells her, "we were never at Bar XYZ, we were at Bar ABC,"], then.....

Would the subject fail a polygraph when questioned about events on the night in question?

Are you saying her subconscious is making her fail? If a person is drunk and someone tell them what happened because they can't remember, but the subconscious knows what happened, would she flunk? Is that the question? I thought it had to do with the stress of knowing you are lying, and it causes a chemical reaction to cause us to sweat or blood pressure to go up. So if I didn't know what happened but some one told me what happened, wouldn't I think I was telling the truth because someone was telling me it was? or are they making up a story for me to tell? Are we confused yet?

 

[Whisperer]

When's misty's next poly? I hope it is on pay for view..

 

[donada]

So now here is the question...GHB (isn't that the date rape drug) possibly used on Misty? No one mentioned it but could be possible. Who could have filled in the details of that night for her?
I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is possible I think. jmo

 

[elle1919]

A hypothetical for you. [btw - I am in no way implying anyone was at a bar on 2/9/09.]

IF a subject is unable to recall the events of a particular night [perhaps because she got head-on-the-bar-counter drunk & stoned], and...

IF the subject relied on others to fill in the gaps in their memory [such as a "friend" who later says she was also at the bar that night], and....

IF the 2nd person's stories didn't quite line up with the subject's recollections of the evening [such as the subject recalling that she was at Bar XYZ when she started drinking, but the friend tells her, "we were never at Bar XYZ, we were at Bar ABC,"], then.....

Would the subject fail a polygraph when questioned about events on the night in question?

LF, are you recalling the woman from a bar that told Tim Miller that perhaps Misty may have been in a bar? I thought that was well before the night Haleigh went missing. Just want to be clear. Don't bartenders card underage kids? Especially kids that look underage?

 

[Whisperer]

Look, this girl has turned on her brother, mother, boyfriend, friends, cousin. One BF is doing heavy time in prison. She talks about other people and their crimes to pump up her pathetic self. She has turned on her parents, sharing with the world that they are drug addicts and she had to sleep in cars growing up.

She has not turned on rc. He was smart to marry her or his azz could have been in jail a year ago... and he knows it! He has managed to stay on her good side and will make every attempt to stay on it too (if he is involved)...so far that seems to be the case.

For almost everyone that has crossed her path, they have left scalded. She reminds me of the bad seed. Her family keeps loving her, despite what she does to them. Everyone needs to leave her alone...easier said then done, I'm sure. She is attention-seeker and may be dangerous. She really does see herself as Bonnie to her 'Clyde'. Right now that is her identity. She is struggling because she is immature and wants what she wants.

Maybe she took the poly so LP could get her out...possilby..she also may have taken it to get the word to rc that she isn't talking (but I don't think she can reason like that). It appears her thought processes are concrete.

Whatever her reasoning is, it is not likely she can be successful in staying out of prison. She is filled with delusions about the real world and her place in it....a very troubled girl.

 

[LFlorida]

LF, are you recalling the woman from a bar that told Tim Miller that perhaps Misty may have been in a bar? I thought that was well before the night Haleigh went missing. Just want to be clear. Don't bartenders card underage kids? Especially kids that look underage?

lol - no, I was thinking about ME ending up face-down on a local bar many years ago.

But it's a real question: If my friend told me we were at "Dean't Still" [a bar here in Palatka] when I passed out, but I had no recollection of ever going anywhere but Steamboat Willie's [another bar here.]

If a polygrapher asked me "Were you at Dean's Still that night?" and I answered "yes", would my LDT indicate I was lying?

Yes, there is an eventual reason for me asking.

 

[elle1919]

I am confused again.