Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Are Divorcing

[gitana1]

Not sure if anyone has posted this or not but it is a nice little synopsis of TC's insanity: http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/showbiz/2012/07/03/ac-pkg-foreman-cruise-scientology.cnn

 

[jjenny]

I never thought about her trying to get a DNA test. That would be awesome!

That would accomplish absolutely nothing. They are legally married.
He is considered the legal father, regardless.

 

[Karmady]

That would accomplish absolutely nothing. They are legally married.
He is considered the legal father, regardless.

I believe that depends on the State where the birth happens and the documentation signed at the time of the birth. For example, in GA there is a presumption that the husband of the mother is the father. That is not the case in all states afaik. It figures significantly into child support issues. Which is why other states require the father to acknowledge paternity, or not, while the baby is still in the hospital.

eta: and even presumptions of paternity may be rebuttable in some jurisdictions.

 

[jjenny]

I believe that depends on the State where the birth happens and the documentation signed at the time of the birth. For example, in GA there is a presumption that the husband of the mother is the father. That is not the case in all states afaik. It figures significantly into child support issues. Which is why other states require the father to acknowledge paternity, or not, while the baby is still in the hospital.

Obviously he did acknowledge paternity while the baby was in the hospital. I really don't understand why people think with glee that a woman should be able to have her husband support a child for years, then turn around and claim he isn't the father.
I don't think it has anything to do with this case, as I feel positive he is the bio dad, but I just fail to understand the concept.

 

[Karmady]

Obviously he did acknowledge paternity while the baby was in the hospital.

It would have to be in writing and, per my "eta", the presumption may be rebutable.

 

[Karmady]

Obviously he did acknowledge paternity while the baby was in the hospital. I really don't understand why people think with glee that a woman should be able to have her husband support a child for years, then turn around and claim he isn't the father.
I don't think it has anything to do with this case, as I feel positive he is the bio dad, but I just fail to understand the concept.

Just to be clear, I completely agree with your point. I think even a rebutable presumption is ridiculous now that DNA is available. No woman should be able to obtain child support from a man that is not the bio father of the child.

 

[gitana1]

My thoughts:

It's interesting that Katie's dad is not just an attorney but is a divorce attorney. I wouldn't be surprised to find that her dad has directed this event for a while now.

She fired her security staff and now her publicist...dropping baggage right and left.

Already owns an apartment in the state of New York and the first to file for divorce...in New York. This gives her maximum control of the situation.

PS. I think paternity issues will be resolved by how much fight Tom puts up for Suri. One thing's for sure, if she is not Tom's child then Katie holds the cards and the secrets because all she's got to do is whip out a DNA test.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/k...tom-cruise-divorce-fires-actress-agent-77554/

It doesn't work that way. Whether or not TC is Suri's bio dad (and to me she is a miniature, female version of him) is irrelevant. In most states, the child of the marriage is presumed to be the child of the father and even if not so, it can be impossible to overcome the presumption. NY state and CA state are two states in which that is the case. They both take marital rights very seriously:

Even if the spouse could not be the biological father, he may have the right to block a petition if he wishes to acknowledge and raise the child as his own. New York public policy limits the right of third parties to challenge the paternity of a child born in wedlock, over the objection of the husband and wife - even the "right" to a genetic test could be denied, in the best interests of the child. The principle of "equitable estoppel" could also prevent the husband or wife from challenging a child's paternity several years after the child's birth. For example, if the wife allowed her husband to be named as the child's father and to establish himself in this role, she may be unable to try and remove him as the child's father years later.

http://www.lawny.org/index.php/advo...ocate-information/171-paternity-for-advocates

I am on phone, day 3 no electric Va. TC is canadian last i heard, do the US & Canada have open borders w child custosy or can he take her there? Tia

Even if he was Canadian, or from another country, TC could not simply take his kid off to another country w/out permission from Katie or a U.S. state family law court. He needs to settle custody here and get orders regarding child custody from a state court in this nation. If he didn't, it would be considered kidnapping.

It is where the child's country of residence is, that's important, not where the parents are from.

In other news, I have been trying to read some of the blogs and other stories and sites of ex-scientologists. Very confusing. All sorts of lingo/strange terms like "out exchange" and "pro trs" and "cc" and 10's or 1.1's or whatever. I have no clue what it all means!

 

[kantoo]

Kathy Griffin talks about Tom Cruise and Scientology - YouTube

a thanks was not enough. i had not ever seen this.

i don't even care for her, but i think she nailed this one.

 

[kantoo]

IKD Steely--She might be a tad to old for ol Tommy boy!!

well his other wives all had an expiration date of 33 yo....so we need to work back ward from there for his next wife.

 

[gitana1]

I found a glossary of terms that can tell us what some of it means and what TC is saying in this video:http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1579963/tom-cruise-scientology-video-glossary.jhtml

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0"]Tom Cruise Scientology Video - ( Original UNCUT ) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Steely Dan]

I found a glossary of terms that can tell us what some of it means and what TC is saying in this video:http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1579963/tom-cruise-scientology-video-glossary.jhtml

Tom Cruise Scientology Video - ( Original UNCUT ) - YouTube

Warning!! Very Offensive!!

This is informational and funny about Scientology; [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0m584tQQA"]Kathy Griffin on Scientology - YouTube[/ame]

 

[gitana1]

It's just so bizarre. What's all this "helping" he thinks they are doing? All the "work", all this stuff they need to "get done"? What does he mean by "do it"?

And he says some really creepy things. Now that I can translate some of it, it takes on a more sinister connotation. It gets really creepy around minute 4:27. Then, near the end of the video, he talks about "spectators" and how they all have to work to get spectators in the playing field or out of the arena.

Well, spectators are us, non-scientologists. We are apparently "depending" on scientologists to help us and fix the world. But, when he say either get them in the game or out of the arena, what the heck does he mean there? Sounds like if they won't join up, get rid of them. Freaky.

 

[Steely Dan]

Here's a list of famous Scientologists.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists"]List of Scientologists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Steely Dan]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqKA3w6T2U&feature=related"]Some crazy scientology stuff - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Steely Dan]

This was uploaded to Youtube in Nov. 2011

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwPMHM3qC9w&feature=related"]THE SECRETS OF SCIENTOLOGY (FULL DOCUMENTARY) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[gitana1]

Warning!! Very Offensive!!

This is informational and funny about Scientology; Kathy Griffin on Scientology - YouTube

My goodness! Now you have to watch this one. I about peed my pants: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Zv3X_Hlck&feature=related"]Jerry O'Connell's parody of the Tom Cruise scientology video - YouTube[/ame]

 

[gitana1]

Wait! This one's even better! I had to re-type several times - really laughing!!! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YR0_m9g78I&feature=related"]Tom Cruise goes berserk on Oprah - YouTube[/ame]

ETA: Here's the original: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frI_BUkH5OY&feature=related"]Tom Cruise Goes Crazy on Oprah (Danger - YouTube[/ame]It should be watched first!

 

[Steely Dan]

My goodness! Now you have to watch this one. I about peed my pants: Jerry O'Connell's parody of the Tom Cruise scientology video - YouTube

:laughcry:

 

[Steely Dan]

Wait! This one's even better! I had to re-type several times - really laughing!!! Tom Cruise goes berserk on Oprah - YouTube

ETA: Here's the original: Tom Cruise Goes Crazy on Oprah (Danger - YouTubeIt should be watched first!

:laughcry: :laughcry:

 

[Steely Dan]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDOsuGNlGv4"]KATIE HOLMES ESCAPES TOM CRUISE - YouTube[/ame]