Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Are Divorcing

[crystalgenie]

After watching Tom Cruise's Mission Scientology Impossible... RUN KATIE RUN!!!

 

[Steely Dan]

This was uploaded to Youtube in Nov. 2011

THE SECRETS OF SCIENTOLOGY (FULL DOCUMENTARY) - YouTube

I just finished watching this and it's worth the time.

 

[Steely Dan]

This is a good documentary that goes into Seaorg a lot.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqOMWQ41BU&feature=related"]ABC - Scientology: The Ex-Files (45 min) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SallyLu]

Kathy Griffin talks about Tom Cruise and Scientology - YouTube

Funny! Glad she also called King out for pandering to potential chair warmers. Hear that Dr Phil??

 

[Elley Mae]

Tom is not Canadian.


I hope you get power back!I am a Virginia native.

You are right, Sorry about that, turns out he lived there for a few years in his youth.

o/t day 4 still waiting for power.

 

[SallyLu]

You are right, Sorry about that, turns out he lived there for a few years in his youth.

o/t day 4 still waiting for power.

I hope you get your power back soon, Elley.

I got up at 4 am and have had my eyes opened and been thoroughly entertained. The Matt Lauer clip was a screamer and the two Kathy Griffin ones close second.

 

[TorisMom003]

Just have to say I <3 Steely and Gitana! :blowkiss:

Even after watching the funny ones it is heartbreaking to know that there are some poor people that really believe in this "religion". I hope that some day they finally have their eyes opened up to the true dangers that come with it.

Glad that Katie finally woke up. Now I hope that she can keep Suri out of their clutches for good. Perhaps it would be wise for Katie and her divorce lawyers to make a disc of all of the things out there about this "religion" to use as evidence as to why she must have full custody of Suri with Tom getting only supervised visitation.

 

[Wagara]

That would accomplish absolutely nothing. They are legally married.
He is considered the legal father, regardless.

I beg to differ. The child not being Tom's will destroy his credibility with the NY judges. She is gonna get the sympathy vote IMO.

But I think I wasn't clear with my earlier comment. I'm not speaking of whether Tome is the legal father. I'm speaking of why Tom would have wanted the world to see Suri as his if she isn't. It would depend on how much Tom wants the public to know as to Katie holding all the cards. My bet is he wouldn't want the public to know he didn't father Suri. Therefore, my opinion that Katie would hold all the cards.

 

[Kat]

Watch this video and imagine that you are in an intimate relationship with someone like this and you disagree with their viewpoint about something within your life.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7CpS0gtlk&feature=related"]Tom Cruise chews out Matt Lauer on LIVE TV - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Kat]

That would accomplish absolutely nothing. They are legally married.
He is considered the legal father, regardless.

Yes he is and he is also on the BC as Father.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/10/exclusive-suri-cruise-birth-certificate/

I should hope that if (and I don't think there is an if myself) but if Suri is for some reason not Tom's biological child that this doesn't come out in the media right now---for Suri's sake. Because Tom is her Father legally and also in a caregiver role.

No matter how much I think he's odd he's her Daddy, regardless of DNA.

I really hope this works out for Suri.

 

[ScubaTwinn]

New York has this on the books: Effective 1/1/98, the father's name will not go on the birth certificate unless he first acknowledges paternity, or an Order of Filiation (Paternity) has been issued. (I'm sorry, I cannot post the link and will try again later).

Since Suri was born in 2006, I do not believe paternity is an issue in this instance. The prior poster was correct about the legal father having to overcome that burden if the parties felt or admitted there was someone else that is the natural father. MOO.

 

[gitana1]

Just have to say I <3 Steely and Gitana! :blowkiss:

Even after watching the funny ones it is heartbreaking to know that there are some poor people that really believe in this "religion". I hope that some day they finally have their eyes opened up to the true dangers that come with it.

Glad that Katie finally woke up. Now I hope that she can keep Suri out of their clutches for good. Perhaps it would be wise for Katie and her divorce lawyers to make a disc of all of the things out there about this "religion" to use as evidence as to why she must have full custody of Suri with Tom getting only supervised visitation.

Yeah, I was really thinking about that this morning during my hike. That Mission Impossible video of TC was not supposed to be leaked to us "spectators". It was basically a long infomercial for the religion, used to encourage members to work harder and give more money and time to the church. That's what all that carp about not being able to take vacations and "romp" and "play" like spectators and how he has to work and work and "help" people because we are all, including all the world leaders, depending on him, and how if those watching don't know how to help they need to "learn" (i.e., give more money to the church for classes, counseling, auditing, etc).

I have been reading the stories of ex-scientologists that some sweet poster linked to (sorry! can't remember who!). They are mostly people who were raised in the church or were quite young when they joined. The stories are all about the thousands and thousands spent on it and how much drudgery they are expected to do, like cleaning toilets at ranches, or on boats or whatever, for the benefit of the church. Apparently, the church doesn't hire staff. Members do all the work.

So, the message is that if a super star like TC can be that committed, never taking vacations and working his tail off for the cause, because they "know" and the rest of us don't, so they are compelled to "help", then regular members have no excuse and need to be devoting their lives (money) to the church as well.

I find that unconscionable.

The likes of TC and John Travolta, they don't have the lives of the average person who joins that church. They aren't subjected to drudgery, fines, financial issues as a result of auditing, etc.

I had a client who I helped get a legal separation from his wife. He loved her and wanted to stay with her. But she was ruining their credit and incurring huge amounts of debt that he was also responsible for since they were married. First, she spent upwards of $100,000.00 auditing. Much was from equity lines and credit cards. It was all done without his knowledge.

When he found out, he blew a gasket and threatened divorce. She promised never to do it again. She did. The next time, a few years later, he found she spent around 50k or so.

That is a TON of money. And these are just middle class folks. They couldn't afford that.

So TC's little infomercial is despicable to me.

Oh, and TC is a big liar about not being able to "romp" and "play" because he has so much "work" for the cause:

Vacation in Brazil:

http://gossipseriously.blogspot.com/2009/02/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-and-suri.html

Vacation in Cambridge:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...e-a-back-romance-gallery-1.1104841?pmSlide=13

Vacation on a private yacht along the coast of Miami:

http://www.popsugar.com/Tom-Cruise-Katie-Holmes-Relationship-Pictures-6263244?slide=7

You get the point.

Watch this video and imagine that you are in an intimate relationship with someone like this and you disagree with their viewpoint about something within your life.

Tom Cruise chews out Matt Lauer on LIVE TV - YouTube

I remember first seeing this and being so disturbed by it. This guy is a real scary jerk. Who talks like that?

 

[gitana1]

New York has this on the books: Effective 1/1/98, the father's name will not go on the birth certificate unless he first acknowledges paternity, or an Order of Filiation (Paternity) has been issued. (I'm sorry, I cannot post the link and will try again later).

Since Suri was born in 2006, I do not believe paternity is an issue in this instance. The prior poster was correct about the legal father having to overcome that burden if the parties felt or admitted there was someone else that is the natural father. MOO.

Oh that's right! The kid was born BEFORE they got married!

 

[Steely Dan]

Watch this video and imagine that you are in an intimate relationship with someone like this and you disagree with their viewpoint about something within your life.

Tom Cruise chews out Matt Lauer on LIVE TV - YouTube

I find his "wanting to learn" laughable coming from someone who fell for the Scientology crap and is a high school dropout.

 

[TorisMom003]

Unfortunately the ones that can make a real difference (the celebrities) seem to know nothing about what really goes on. They are handled differently because they have the money and the power to make a real change. If even one of them had their eyes opened to the true intentions and dealings of the "church" and spoke out about it I do believe that the Scientology world would come crashing down on the heads of the higher ups that enjoy the money and power that come with it. If any of the celebrities had to experience what the normal, average person has dealt with it would shock them to the point of breaking free of the mind control but as long as the celebrities give over huge sums of money and portray a positive spin on the "religion" that will never happen. That is one of the only good things that I can see about Suri.......if by some horrible twist of fate Tom is awarded custody Suri will not go through what hundreds of other young children have simply because of who she is and who her father is.

MOO

 

[Steely Dan]

Yeah, I was really thinking about that this morning during my hike. That Mission Impossible video of TC was not supposed to be leaked to us "spectators". It was basically a long infomercial for the religion, used to encourage members to work harder and give more money and time to the church. That's what all that carp about not being able to take vacations and "romp" and "play" like spectators and how he has to work and work and "help" people because we are all, including all the world leaders, depending on him, and how if those watching don't know how to help they need to "learn" (i.e., give more money to the church for classes, counseling, auditing, etc).

I have been reading the stories of ex-scientologists that some sweet poster linked to (sorry! can't remember who!). They are mostly people who were raised in the church or were quite young when they joined. The stories are all about the thousands and thousands spent on it and how much drudgery they are expected to do, like cleaning toilets at ranches, or on boats or whatever, for the benefit of the church. Apparently, the church doesn't hire staff. Members do all the work.

So, the message is that if a super star like TC can be that committed, never taking vacations and working his tail off for the cause, because they "know" and the rest of us don't, so they are compelled to "help", then regular members have no excuse and need to be devoting their lives (money) to the church as well.

I find that unconscionable.

The likes of TC and John Travolta, they don't have the lives of the average person who joins that church. They aren't subjected to drudgery, fines, financial issues as a result of auditing, etc.

I had a client who I helped get a legal separation from his wife. He loved her and wanted to stay with her. But she was ruining their credit and incurring huge amounts of debt that he was also responsible for since they were married. First, she spent upwards of $100,000.00 auditing. Much was from equity lines and credit cards. It was all done without his knowledge.

When he found out, he blew a gasket and threatened divorce. She promised never to do it again. She did. The next time, a few years later, he found she spent around 50k or so.

That is a TON of money. And these are just middle class folks. They couldn't afford that.

So TC's little infomercial is despicable to me.

Oh, and TC is a big liar about not being able to "romp" and "play" because he has so much "work" for the cause:

Vacation in Brazil:

http://gossipseriously.blogspot.com/2009/02/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-and-suri.html

Vacation in Cambridge:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...e-a-back-romance-gallery-1.1104841?pmSlide=13

Vacation on a private yacht along the coast of Miami:

http://www.popsugar.com/Tom-Cruise-Katie-Holmes-Relationship-Pictures-6263244?slide=7

You get the point.



I remember first seeing this and being so disturbed by it. This guy is a real scary jerk. Who talks like that?

There are two Scientologys that exist. One is for the high rollers who are famous people with a lot of dough to give and then another, secret, one for the lower classes. If somebody watches the two long videos I posted you'll get a good understanding of them.

Some Scientologists have been forced to clean dumpsters with a toothbrush for transgressing the unwritten laws. I'm fairly certain that none of the high profile Hollywood Sceintologists were never asked to do that. Also, Tom doesn't work 100 hour weeks for about $.36 an hour. Yes you read that right, about thirty six cents an hour. The church deliberately keeps these people poor so they can't leave. IIRC, one former Scientologist interviewed in one of the documentaries said he was paid a total of about $24,000 over 15 years service.

JMO, but I think psychopaths will do very well in this type of environment. I think David Miscavige is a psychopath.

 

[roseofsharon]

I can't remember much press about Tom and Mimi, however, I really noticed with Nicole and Katie that these women became someone else, in the outwardly sense, once they hooked up with Tom. They both seemed to lose their happy go lucky nature. I think Tom grooms women in their appearance to be what he considers regal and sophisticated instead of letting them have their own style. He stripped away their personality.

It's very Stepford Wives "ish". Nicole and Katie almost seem robotic. It was always very noticeable, how controlled these women are around him and how they just barely smile and pose for pictures, camera left, camera right with his arm around their waist.

IMO, TC needs to get over himself before a marriage will work for him.

Just IMO :moo:

 

[TorisMom003]

Watch this video and imagine that you are in an intimate relationship with someone like this and you disagree with their viewpoint about something within your life.

Tom Cruise chews out Matt Lauer on LIVE TV - YouTube

And this is one of the reasons why Kathy Griffin has gone off and done her show on this "religion" and Tom Cruise. When Tom spoke out against Brooke Shields and her post-partum depression he made an enemy out of those that consider Brooke a wonderful person and good friend........like Kathy.

It also amazes me that Tom claims he "knows" about this subject. He "knows" more than Matt. He "knows" more than everyone else. Where did he learn about this subject? From Scientology. The "religion" that is based on the writings of a science fiction novel author. You really can't make this stuff up, it's unbelievable.

ETA: Steely, I did watch those long videos that you posted. It was time consuming but worth it. It really tells what Scientology is truly like for those that do not have the financial means to move further in the process without the SeaOrg and RPFs (I believe that is the correct "term"). To know that that is what Scientology is really about is sickening. I would love for more of the ones that have left to find somewhere PUBLIC to explain what really goes on. I would love for this to be exposed for everyone to see instead of being covered up. Sadly I feel that will not happen as long as there are powerful people that back and support this "church". I have also read accounts from Ex-Kids that have broken my heart.

 

[prima.facie]

Some Scientologists have been forced to clean dumpsters with a toothbrush for transgressing the unwritten laws. I'm fairly certain that none of the high profile Hollywood Sceintologists were never asked to do that. Also, Tom doesn't work 100 hour weeks for about $.36 an hour. Yes you read that right, about thirty six cents an hour. The church deliberately keeps these people poor so they can't leave. IIRC, one former Scientologist interviewed in one of the documentaries said he was paid a total of about $24,000 over 15 years service.

JMO, but I think psychopaths will do very well in this type of environment. I think David Miscavige is a psychopath.

plenty of cults like that to go around - disguised as normal churches. no, not saying all churches....but there are plenty of cults out there screwing their people in various ways and outwardly look on all accounts as a normal church you see on every corner in america.....

 

[gitana1]

There are two Scientologys that exist. One is for the high rollers who are famous people with a lot of dough to give and then another, secret, one for the lower classes. If somebody watches the two long videos I posted you'll get a good understanding of them.

Some Scientologists have been forced to clean dumpsters with a toothbrush for transgressing the unwritten laws. I'm fairly certain that none of the high profile Hollywood Sceintologists were never asked to do that. Also, Tom doesn't work 100 hour weeks for about $.36 an hour. Yes you read that right, about thirty six cents an hour. The church deliberately keeps these people poor so they can't leave. IIRC, one former Scientologist interviewed in one of the documentaries said he was paid a total of about $24,000 over 15 years service.

JMO, but I think psychopaths will do very well in this type of environment. I think David Miscavige is a psychopath.

Seriously. Here are the rules or punishments for scientology transgressors:

(Applies both Orgs and Sea Org)

LIABILITY &#8212; Suspension of Pay and a dirty grey rag on left arm and day and night confinement to org premises.

TREASON &#8212; Suspension of pay and deprivation of all uniforms and insignia, a black mark on left cheek and confinement on org premises or dismissal from post and debarment from premises.

DOUBT &#8212; Debarment from premises. Not to be employed. Payment of fine amounting to any sum may have cost org. Not to be trained or processed. Not to be communicated or argued with.

ENEMY &#8212; SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientol- ogist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

&#8212; L. Ron Hubbard
HCOPL 18 October 1967 Penalties For Lower Conditions pdf

http://suppressiveperson.org/spdl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=301&Itemid=30

Scary, huh? Now, they claim to have gotten rid of this "fair game" principle in 1968 but that's not actually true. This article argues that it is still a principle. In fact, in 1986, the church argued before the California appeals court that the fair game principal was a consitutionally protected religious practice: http://www.nolanchart.com/article4815-the-church-of-scientologys-fair-game-policy.html

Why would they have to argue that if the policy was cancelled?

Oh that's right! The kid was born BEFORE they got married!

I want to clarify. This means that my statements earlier about the presumption that TC is Suri's father since she is a child of the marriage, do NOT apply.

Nevertheless, I'm still quite positive that's his kid. Really looks like him.