Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Are Divorcing

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Unfortunately the ones that can make a real difference (the celebrities) seem to know nothing about what really goes on. They are handled differently because they have the money and the power to make a real change. If even one of them had their eyes opened to the true intentions and dealings of the "church" and spoke out about it I do believe that the Scientology world would come crashing down on the heads of the higher ups that enjoy the money and power that come with it. If any of the celebrities had to experience what the normal, average person has dealt with it would shock them to the point of breaking free of the mind control but as long as the celebrities give over huge sums of money and portray a positive spin on the "religion" that will never happen. That is one of the only good things that I can see about Suri.......if by some horrible twist of fate Tom is awarded custody Suri will not go through what hundreds of other young children have simply because of who she is and who her father is.

MOO


IMO the celebs probably want to keep it just the way it is. Celebrities tend to be egotistical to begin with, and the cult of scientology plays right into their egos. Why would they want to change it? As long as things are what they are their stars will never diminish.

I don't even want to get started on how much I dislike TC and all things associated with the cult of Lafayette R. Hubbard. He and his 'church' were/are frauds.
 
Years ago I worked for a N.Y. publisher that an unpublished manuscript tell all about L.R. Hubbard his life as a child, his family, relationships and how he started out as a science fiction writer and how that fiction became Scientology. Among the scariest carp I've ever read. The manuscript was never published because Scientology kept the author and my employer tied up in court so long it was eventually not financially worth pursuing.
 
In the interview with his son above. His son says that Scientology is worse than other cults. His reasoning is that other cults, at most, will make you level with God. LRH thought he was creating Gods. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they make some people believe they are Gods.
 
In the interview with his son above. His son says that Scientology is worse than other cults. His reasoning is that other cults, at most, will make you level with God. LRH thought he was creating Gods. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they make some people believe they are Gods.

It makes so sad that I want to cry. How could so many people be so stupid!
 
good read.....

Former Scientologist says Katie Holmes' answers during church QA sessions will be used against her


If Katie doesn’t obtain primary custody of Suri, and Cruise continues to do Miscavige’s bidding, she can count on Scientology Inc. indoctrinating Suri to hate her mother

“Whatever happens, Scientology will make sure she does not go out and talk about what really went on," Heldal-Lund said. "She will be put under a lot of pressure that could make her much more vulnerable and weaker by the time she has to fight in court.”


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-sessions-will/?intcmp=features#ixzz1zcGjHzcw
 
good read.....

That's exactly what I feared would happen. It happened with Nicole's kids. They basically have no relationship with her and rarely/never see her.

Watching the hour-long documentary Steely linked to really shows the lengths this organization will go to, to protect the brand. It's time someone was able to stand up to them and shut them down. I mean, they harass people by following them, it;s on camera, and they are not sued or arrested for harassment? It's sinister and scary!

Yeah, I don't think Katie is in physical danger. That would be too obvious. But, she is in grave danger of parental alienation, IMO.
 
In all facets of life people seem to believe what they want to believe.

I think you mean stupid people Steely. I just have to tell you that these people have no brains, and they make me sick. So sad for the s.t.u.p.i.d., and those who cannot function without being lead!! :((
 
Sympathy vote? Are you kidding me? Are you saying that if a man is listed as a father, acts as a father, supports the child for years-but if his wife were to come out during the divorce and claim he was not a father-she would be the one getting sympathy vote? And it would be his credibility destroyed, not hers? I personally think this is the moot point because I feel positive he is the bio father, but I do not understand why people think that way.

IF it turns out that Tom is not Suri's biological father then it only makes sense that he already knows he isn't and has known from the very beginning. In this case, yes Katie would get the sympathy and not Tom. It would mean that Tom decided the lie was better for his own image since it has been out for a while now that apparently he can not have children and may in fact be gay. Add into the mix the entire Scientology mess and then there will be even more sympathy for Katie and Suri.

Tom and the higher ups in Scientology know (or at least they should know if they are as intelligent as they claim) that they can not go full force after Katie. It will ruin the whole lot of them. As Steely said and has been pointed out in the article that Steely brought to us, the best thing for Tom to do is to give Katie anything and everything she wants and to do so without alot of publicity. The "church" may think they have a boatload of things to blackmail Katie with, but I have a feeling Katie has even more on them.

MOO
 
He would know? And she wouldn't? Give me a break. Why would she deserve any sort of sympathy in that situation? Clearly she didn't have a problem with him being the father until the divorce-he is on the birth certificate, he supported the child for years (obviously in grand style) and the child didn't have any other father figure. And the whole discussion is moot anyway-that child is a spitting image of him. But I fail to understand the idea that unless the person is a bio parent that person doesn't count despite raising the child for years.
 
IF it turns out that Tom is not Suri's biological father then it only makes sense that he already knows he isn't and has known from the very beginning. In this case, yes Katie would get the sympathy and not Tom. It would mean that Tom decided the lie was better for his own image since it has been out for a while now that apparently he can not have children and may in fact be gay. Add into the mix the entire Scientology mess and then there will be even more sympathy for Katie and Suri.

Tom and the higher ups in Scientology know (or at least they should know if they are as intelligent as they claim) that they can not go full force after Katie. It will ruin the whole lot of them. As Steely said and has been pointed out in the article that Steely brought to us, the best thing for Tom to do is to give Katie anything and everything she wants and to do so without alot of publicity. The "church" may think they have a boatload of things to blackmail Katie with, but I have a feeling Katie has even more on them.

MOO


Bolded by me respectfully.

My own husband is not the biological father of his youngest child by his first marriage. He hasn't had a DNA test done but he is certain as well as his exwife that she is another man's child biologically.

The child was "born within the marriage" and as such is his legal child.

They divorced when the child was a little over a year old. He paid child support for that child for 17 years.

He has not addressed this with the (now adult) child even to this date is currently undecided if he will or if he will not~ because he has no clue who the father could be and is fairly sure that the child's mother doesn't know either.

That choice was done to protect the child. Someone had to step up and be that child's father. Tom Cruise may be a jack@ss but *if* he is not Suri's biological father and he *chose* to be her father I'm not going to gig him for that.

He appears to be unbalanced, and he also appears to be arrogant. But I only know what I've seen in the media about him. 1. Children aren't taken away from loving parents (and I haven't seen anything that shows Tom to be an unloving parent) because the parent is unbalanced (trust me, my husband's ex was diagnosed with mental illness and there was never a question of that being used to take away custody from her) and 2. Children aren't removed from a parent because of religious practices that aren't proven to have brought harm to a child.

I don't like Scientology. As for Katie, I don't see this as black and white. There are two sides to every story. I'm sure Tom is a douche but I've read things in the past that she's not such a sweetheart either.

This is about Suri.

Also, if he's gay or straight it has no bearing on anything. If he's gay he is gay. It's his choice to come out if he wants or to keep his private life private.

Not fussing at you Tori'smom just chatting.
 
He would know? And she wouldn't? Give me a break. Why would she deserve any sort of sympathy in that situation? Clearly she didn't have a problem with him being the father until the divorce-he is on the birth certificate, he supported the child for years (obviously in grand style) and the child didn't have any other father figure. And the whole discussion is moot anyway-that child is a spitting image of him. But I fail to understand the idea that unless the person is a bio parent that person doesn't count despite raising the child for years.

I had to go back and re-read my post because I was pretty sure I never said one word about Tom knowing but not Katie. Of course Katie would know as well as Tom. It really does not matter if Katie had a problem with it or not. It really does not matter if Tom supported Suri in grand style or not. It would hurt Tom's image if it turned out that Suri was not his biological child and he knew (and lied) about it. It would also help Katie in the divorce/custody issue, IMO. I have never said nor believed that someone raising a child that is not their biological child is somehow less than raising a biological child. It just calls to Tom's credibility if he is not.

MOO
 
Bolded by me respectfully.

My own husband is not the biological father of his youngest child by his first marriage. He hasn't had a DNA test done but he is certain as well as his exwife that she is another man's child biologically.

The child was "born within the marriage" and as such is his legal child.

They divorced when the child was a little over a year old. He paid child support for that child for 17 years.

He has not addressed this with the (now adult) child even to this date is currently undecided if he will or if he will not~ because he has no clue who the father could be and is fairly sure that the child's mother doesn't know either.

That choice was done to protect the child. Someone had to step up and be that child's father. Tom Cruise may be a jack@ss but *if* he is not Suri's biological father and he *chose* to be her father I'm not going to gig him for that.

He appears to be unbalanced, and he also appears to be arrogant. But I only know what I've seen in the media about him. 1. Children aren't taken away from loving parents (and I haven't seen anything that shows Tom to be an unloving parent) because the parent is unbalanced (trust me, my husband's ex was diagnosed with mental illness and there was never a question of that being used to take away custody from her) and 2. Children aren't removed from a parent because of religious practices that aren't proven to have brought harm to a child.

I don't like Scientology. As for Katie, I don't see this as black and white. There are two sides to every story. I'm sure Tom is a douche but I've read things in the past that she's not such a sweetheart either.

This is about Suri.

Also, if he's gay or straight it has no bearing on anything. If he's gay he is gay. It's his choice to come out if he wants or to keep his private life private.

Not fussing at you Tori'smom just chatting.

I get all of that, trust me I do. My hubby of almost 12 years is not my oldest daughters biological father. He made the choice to be her dad when he married me and she was 3 years old. Do I think that the court will favor Katie over Tom in a case like this? Depends. I think that this will affect Tom and Scientology in an adverse way with the public. A huge spotlight may be placed on all of them and I do not see the "church" wanting this.

As far as Tom's religion being something used in a custody case against him in court, I think it can happen. There are numerous adults who have come forward over the past few years and told of their experiences as a child in the SeaOrg. If Katie has proof that Tom wanting Suri to join the SeaOrg and sign away her life for a billion years then it could affect Tom's ability to gain custody or have liberal visitation.

I feel that there are a number of things that are going to go against Tom and if he and the "church" are not careful they may find themselves in court for cases of past abuse against children that they may not have a chance in heck to win.

MOO
 
Don't know if this has been posted:

http://www.businessinsider.com/scie...viges-wife-has-been-missing-since-2006-2012-7

Do we have a thread for her here??? Naw....

Woah!! I didn't know that! Has there ever been a police inquiry? I have no problem believing that he could get away with murder in the halls of Scientology. Scientologists seem to be very susceptible to manipulation by the church. JMO

Bolded by me respectfully.

My own husband is not the biological father of his youngest child by his first marriage. He hasn't had a DNA test done but he is certain as well as his exwife that she is another man's child biologically.

The child was "born within the marriage" and as such is his legal child.

They divorced when the child was a little over a year old. He paid child support for that child for 17 years.

He has not addressed this with the (now adult) child even to this date is currently undecided if he will or if he will not~ because he has no clue who the father could be and is fairly sure that the child's mother doesn't know either.

That choice was done to protect the child. Someone had to step up and be that child's father. Tom Cruise may be a jack@ss but *if* he is not Suri's biological father and he *chose* to be her father I'm not going to gig him for that.

He appears to be unbalanced, and he also appears to be arrogant. But I only know what I've seen in the media about him. 1. Children aren't taken away from loving parents (and I haven't seen anything that shows Tom to be an unloving parent) because the parent is unbalanced (trust me, my husband's ex was diagnosed with mental illness and there was never a question of that being used to take away custody from her) and 2. Children aren't removed from a parent because of religious practices that aren't proven to have brought harm to a child.

I don't like Scientology. As for Katie, I don't see this as black and white. There are two sides to every story. I'm sure Tom is a douche but I've read things in the past that she's not such a sweetheart either.

This is about Suri.

Also, if he's gay or straight it has no bearing on anything. If he's gay he is gay. It's his choice to come out if he wants or to keep his private life private.

Not fussing at you Tori'smom just chatting.

BBM

You should watch some of the videos I posted. Scientology harms children greatly. It harms entire families. In fact, in Scientology if you defect then any family members still in the church cannot have anything to do with you. The Scientologists claim that the separation is done by their own choice, but a lot of evidence proves otherwise. I can very easily see TC manipulating Suri into saying she doesn't want to be with her mom anymore. JMO
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWm-lk_yNmo"]Today Tonight : The Secrets of Scientology - YouTube[/ame]
 
TC, supposedly wants Suri to join the Seaorg and this is a brief piece that will give you a little bit of an idea how evil they are;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RATcvTJ2SsA&feature=related"]Scientology president's daughter slams 'toxic' church - YouTube[/ame]
 
Woah!! I didn't know that! Has there ever been a police inquiry? I have no problem believing that he could get away with murder in the halls of Scientology. Scientologists seem to be very susceptible to manipulation by the church. JMO



BBM

You should watch some of the videos I posted. Scientology harms children greatly. It harms entire families. In fact, in Scientology if you defect then any family members still in the church cannot have anything to do with you. The Scientologists claim that the separation is done by their own choice, but a lot of evidence proves otherwise. I can very easily see TC manipulating Suri into saying she doesn't want to be with her mom anymore. JMO

Actually, Tori's right. In my experience, the history that some in a group have experienced will not be enough to prevent joint custody or liberal rights to the child. It's very hard to prove future risk. Even harder when religion is involved. No way will TC's rights be curtailed based on documentaries or ex-member's accounts. If that was remotely possible, Scientology would not continue to enjoy tax exempt status and to harass people without consequence as they do.
 
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