Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Are Divorcing

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TC is so full of himself sometimes. Look at how he words the following statement from his entertainment lawyer:

A source said: 'Tom has told Dennis Wasser and Bert Fields, his long-time entertainment lawyer, that his first priority is getting a court order in place, obviously a temporary one, that will allow him to legally see his daughter.
'Team Cruise has extensive documentation to prove that Los Angeles is where the case should proceed, because this is where he says they have lived.
'Tom is extremely disappointed that Katie filed in New York, and he feels that she is trying to cut him out of their daughter's life.
'Tom won't tolerate it and told his lawyers that if he personally needs to go to court and make a plea in front of the judge for an order allowing him to see his daughter, he will.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...divorce-war-Katie-heats-up.html#ixzz1zy5F705g


Oh whats's that you say Tom, you are not going to ' TOLERATE it.' And if you have to speak to the judge about it, then you WILL. wow

I just don't think it will be in his best interests to fight this publicly. And it's definitely not in the best interests of the COS.

I don't envy Katie fighting this fight and I truly hope she has every possible legal resource to win. If TC gets joint custody, there's no doubt he will manage to drive Suri away from her Mom over time. It's happened with Nicole's children and she seems sadly resigned about it.
 
^^^I think KH and Suri have been living in NY for some time, obviously long enough to file it there.

TC has the $$$ to be able to go visit there, and for all we know, has a place there already. However, I don't see what difference it makes to custody and visitation. They will still have to make arrangements no matter where each live. Maybe no Scientologists in the Courtrooms of NY?

He's the one that had a "team" say he chose not to see Suri during his birthday visit back to the LA as he was flying off film somewhere else. I'm still calling that his choice, and his choice to lose precious time with his little one.
 
and thus my repeated comments that i wonder how many people they have in our legal system.....i believe they have many thus the amount of sh.t they are able to get away with....

yes, falls into conspiracy theories...but one i buy into...

Some of the documentaries I have been watching today have made it clear that they infiltrated here and in other countries, so it is fact, not conspiracy. You are okay, lol!
 
Herdingcats, please do not do anything alone. I realize you may be poking fun, but it seems this group is dangerous if you cross them. Just saying..... ;)
 
What an interesting video.

Yanno...

I'm having an idea. It's not a big idea. Just a little idea. But it's an idea.

I'm thinking that the Los Angeles Celeb. Centre in Los Feliz area needs a little walking. I think it would be quite interesting to see what would happen if, and when, a group (or maybe just one sole individual) took an hour to walk around with a sign about Shelley Miscavige and the MIL.

I'm thinking well, and why not?

I'm thinking it's one thing to watch vids and write posts on the net (which, btw, do reach people), but it's another thing to get out and, oh, I dunno, maybe take a stroll with a sign.

Not sure how that would go...but it would need to have a vid cam, for sure. And whomever did the walking would certainly be classified as an SP...and of course other people would need to be notified in case anyone went missing or anything.

Yeah, a vid cam. Which would be interesting. And perhaps a news crew.

LOL.

Yanno, this bears some thinking about.

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Herding Cats

Well actually, Jenna Miscavige and the anonymous crowd did just that, IIRC
from one of the videos Steely posted. And crews were there recording.

Maybe it is time for another round.
 
^^^I think KH and Suri have been living in NY for some time, obviously long enough to file it there.

TC has the $$$ to be able to go visit there, and for all we know, has a place there already. However, I don't see what difference it makes to custody and visitation. They will still have to make arrangements no matter where each live. Maybe no Scientologists in the Courtrooms of NY?

He's the one that had a "team" say he chose not to see Suri during his birthday visit back to the LA as he was flying off film somewhere else. I'm still calling that his choice, and his choice to lose precious time with his little one.

I agree that they likely have established enough of a presence in N.Y. for purposes of jurisdiction in NY state courts.

What reports are stating is that in NY state, the family court is much more likely than CA family courts to grant sole physical custody to one parent. In CA, joint physical custody is presumptive.
 
Herdingcats, please do not do anything alone. I realize you may be poking fun, but it seems this group is dangerous if you cross them. Just saying..... ;)
The group is really dangerous indeed.

And I'm not thinking I'd do it...alone. LOL. I'm just concerned about the missing women, and the "suicide" that took 4 shots (3 chest, 1 head) with a 5th shell somewhere.

Katie will be well looked after. She seems to have had this very well planned, and for a long time. She's done this right...she's made sure it's public, she's made sure she has a huge legal and security team in place...she's ready.

The fallout of her move is HUGE, and has brought a lot more awareness to the black ops that scientology does. It's interesting to see the dominos start...I just hope the whole domino row falls.

Still, a little bit of protesting would bring even more awareness...

I feel soooooooooooooo sorry for all the kids raised in this "church", and all the folks who were just looking for something which gave them direction and hope, and ended up in one of the most manipulative, evil cults of all time. Or who ended up dead...like McPherson, and supposedly 8 others at the same hotel (but I haven't been able to confirm that...).

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Herding Cats
 
This is an interesting article that really describes Nicole Kidman's estrangement from her kids and what Katie hopes to avoid: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/en...life-with-cruise/story-e6frewyr-1226419430726
Kidman has never publicly challenged or defied Cruise or his Scientology sect. Not during the couple's 10-year marriage and not after it ended in 2001.Not even, remarkably enough, when Cruise took primary custody of the children, effectively removing her from their lives and allowing them to be raised in a mysterious sect which recognises Cruise as, if not one of its leaders, its most prominent salesman and advocate.

Cruise, who served a stunned Kidman with divorce papers within a month of their 10th wedding anniversary in February 2001, walked away from that union the undisputed victor -- his life virtually unaltered except for the loss of some property and one unwanted wife. Kidman, on the other hand, lost everything but her career -- her children, her identity as wife and mother, her home were all taken from her.

The couple's children, Isabella and Connor, were nine and six at the time their parents' marriage ended -- Connor being the same age that little Suri Cruise is now.

It is expected that Holmes, whose father is a lawyer, is prepared to go to incredible lengths to ensure her daughter is not claimed by a sect which may see the child as its Messiah.
Having witnessed first-hand Isabella and Connor's increasing estrangement from their mother -- a woman they now call "Nicole", have refused to live with and see only "sometimes" -- and their ongoing indoctrination into Scientology, Holmes must have felt, as any mother would, that she would move heaven and hell rather than be separated from the product of her womb.
Meanwhile Kidman must live in hope that her children will make their own way back to her in adulthood, assuming Scientology's teachings haven't shattered their regard for forever.
 
The group is really dangerous indeed.

And I'm not thinking I'd do it...alone. LOL. I'm just concerned about the missing women, and the "suicide" that took 4 shots (3 chest, 1 head) with a 5th shell somewhere.

Katie will be well looked after. She seems to have had this very well planned, and for a long time. She's done this right...she's made sure it's public, she's made sure she has a huge legal and security team in place...she's ready.

The fallout of her move is HUGE, and has brought a lot more awareness to the black ops that scientology does. It's interesting to see the dominos start...I just hope the whole domino row falls.

Still, a little bit of protesting would bring even more awareness...

I feel soooooooooooooo sorry for all the kids raised in this "church", and all the folks who were just looking for something which gave them direction and hope, and ended up in one of the most manipulative, evil cults of all time. Or who ended up dead...like McPherson, and supposedly 8 others at the same hotel (but I haven't been able to confirm that...).

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Herding Cats

I think in a few years or less there will be a coup pulled on Miscavige. It will either come from within scientology itself or from a federal investigation. I'm hoping for a federal investigation.

A lot of people are defecting to the spin off group already. Miscavige's tyranny will eventually come to a close.
 
The battle for California vs. NY is going to be interesting. I think scientology has a grip on a few California politcos and probably not so much in NY. That's why Katie ran to NY. I think having a divorce lawyer father has been a huge advantage for her so far. If NY wins the right to hold the hearing TC is screwed.

If it goes to NY and he fights hard then scientology will be raised as an issue.

BTW, I rewatched one of the BBC pieces with a friend of mine and they mentioned that in a custody battle a few years ago. The judge had misgivings about the parent involved in scientology, and made a favorable ruling to the non scientologist parent. I think that occurred in England though.
 
BTW, I rewatched one of the BBC pieces with a friend of mine and they mentioned that in a custody battle a few years ago. The judge had misgivings about the parent involved in scientology, and made a favorable ruling to the non scientologist parent. I think that occurred in England though.

from what i know of this celebotology cult.....they are not tollerated well in europe, not like here where any religion is AOK....i recall many news stories of this over the past years...

oh and a ps....

Scientology and the legal system
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_the_legal_system"]Scientology and the legal system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_France

A parliamentary report classified Scientology as a dangerous cult.[1] However, the French government recommended to not use the parliamentary reports and the lists included, through a circulaire made by Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin in 2005[2]

Several officials of Scientology have been convicted of crimes such as embezzlement, and contribution to suicide.[3]

seems europe gives more of a sh.t than america on this issue.....
 
from what i know of this celebotology cult.....they are not tollerated well in europe, not like here where any religion is AOK....i recall many news stories of this over the past years...

oh and a ps....

Scientology and the legal system
Scientology and the legal system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




seems europe gives more of a sh.t than america on this issue.....

Germany is even more intense. The government there does not consider scientology to be a religion, but instead, an abusive business. The government has investigated it seriously. Here's an article about it called Germany's Battle Against Scientology: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1695514,00.html
 
All I can say good for her. I am happy she stood up and put Suri first, and saved her from that Cult. IMO
 

The irony of what the Scientologists are saying to those picketing is really comical. When they say things such as (to the guy with the camera) Do you do everything he says to? or Do you have an original thought of your own? And at the same time they are doing the bidding of whomever it was that decided to send out the troops. They are using the tactics that the higher up in Scientology told them to use.

I also noticed a child in the group of Scientologists. A child that was brought out there to do what the adults are doing. A child that is engaging in the taunts and flag waving along with the adults. A child that was there to hear some of the very vulgar and disgusting things coming from these "religious" people. But yet the "church" is full of "enlightened" people that are so much better off than the rest of us poor souls to the point of those "enlightened" people being the only ones that can save the world. Very sad. Also very harmful to that child and every other child that has been subjected to this behaviour.

MOO
 
Of course radaronline has a few more tidbits:

"Holmes spent six hours with her divorce attorney Allan Mayefsky in his Manhattan office today, emerging in the early evening."

"As RadarOnline.com reported, this is the second consecutive day Katie spent hours with Mayesky.

He is reportedly attempting to iron out an agreement -- at least a temporary one -- with Tom's attorney Dennis Wasser that would negate the necessity of going to court."

link:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...spends-six-hours-with-lawyers-saturday-photos
 
Just a random thought after watching all those videos yesterday and reading that some think John T has been very sad for a few years and after the tragedy of losing his son.

I don't think stars are put through all the same stuff regular people are in Scientology, but I wonder if, at whatever OT level, they too are told that tragedies will never befall them. Of course that is as absurd as you will never die, but that is part of the higher level OT stuff. At any rate, would a tragedy not shake you out of your belief in Scientology and the b.s. it is?

I'm still wondering if celebs don't join just b/c they have a special celeb building, and for the eye for an eye backup, and jobs through connections with others, fringe benefits. Guess I still have a hard time with how people can believe in this stuff, other than the sad ones born into it and know no better.
 
Germany is even more intense. The government there does not consider scientology to be a religion, but instead, an abusive business. The government has investigated it seriously. Here's an article about it called Germany's Battle Against Scientology: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1695514,00.html

From the article;

...Those behind the new effort to outlaw Scientology believe their prospects have improved since 1997. Ulrike Sweden, a spokesperson for the Hamburg Ministry of the Interior, which has taken the lead in the latest efforts, says the most significant change is a 2004 ruling by a Cologne judge in a case brought by Scientologists to end surveillance by state intelligence agencies. The judge ruled that the monitoring was warranted because the activities of the Scientologists were a threat to German constitutional protections, in particular the right of Germans to exercise their political will, the right to equal treatment and guarantees against bodily harm. (The judge ruled, among other things, that the group brainwashes members.) Says Sweden: "For the first time, we had a judge, and not just rumors, stating that the group was dangerous." (Since 1995, the Church of Scientology has not enjoyed the legal protections accorded to religions in Germany, after a judge ruled that it was not a religion but a group "masquerading as a religion in order to make a profit.")...



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