Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes Are Divorcing

[Steely Dan]

All important points but this is all the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY that does these things and not Scientology itself, you cant confuse COS with scientology anymore than you would confuse the INSTITUTION OF CHRISTIANITY and all its child molesting clergy, Jim Bakkers, Jimmy Swaggerts etc with most of the good folks who read the Gospels and follow the teachings of Jesus. Its apples and oranges and one should not be confused with the other.

Religion is not the problem, it is the institutions that lay claim to those religious practices and try and control them that should be eradicated.

BBM

Exactly!! A lot of people who claim to be Christian have never read the Bible and take their teachings from people who use it to their own advantage. The same can be said of every religion, IMO.

If something makes you feel better about yourself then fine, just don't try to push it on me and I'm happy for you.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I think media is going crazy with speculation and I don't buy for a second he was going to send Suri to Sea org.
I also have not seen anything to indicate he was not a good father, regardless of what kind of husband he might be.

This is about the best post I have read yet, the media will take whatever they can find these days and run with it and make it up as they go. I think we can all agree TC is a nut with or without scientology but there is no evidence anywhere that he was going to send her to sea org and I think it is slightly irresponsible to suggest such without some sort of evidence to show it may be true and that isnt a lecture to anyone here, just speaking generally wrt the media hype.


KH is a scientologist she went through the tech the auditing the rundowns she is an OT she was never forced at gunpoint to do any of that and basically told her catholic parents off back when she married TC and said that is what she wanted to do was become a scientologist. Now if she is having second thoughts good on her, let her leave and leave her alone but she knew what the deal was. Nobody held a gun to her head.

 

[Steely Dan]

This link has already been posted, but I'm posting it again because it's really interesting and shows you what a bunch of liars the scientologists are and are unapologetic for it. http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/08/tommy_davis_sci.php


This is the best part;

...Davis, who was so prominent from 2007 to 2010, seems to have all but vanished in the last year. He has made no recent television appearences. Daniel Miller, a writer for The Hollywood Reporter, says that he communicated by e-mail with Davis between April and June of this year for a story. But otherwise, Davis has not been heard from. Former Scientologists speculate that he is at "Int," the organization's secretive desert headquarters, serving some kind of punishment by church leader David Miscavige....

As I said before I hope his abuse is severe enough to make him quit and come clean. I'm guessing he's at the "Int" because he let that audio tape get recorded without his knowledge.

 

[Steely Dan]

BTW, Brian Williams Roc Center on Thursday is about those who've escaped the church.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I would like to stress one last time and then I am stepping away from this thread and letting yall do what you do, but when you say things like "scientologists are dangerous bad people and angry liars etc" this is what is called religious INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY here in America. If you want to take issue with the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY that is fine and rightfully so as I dont much care for that organization myself but please stop lumping an entire group of people some of whom are innocent and decent human beings in with this organization with which you have a problem.


If I were to make some of the general statements that have been made about scientologists in this thread about christians, muslims or jews I would be banned and likely called all sorts of ugly names and rightfully so but you wont catch me doing that because I respect freedom and the bedrock of that freedom is tolerance for those who wish to practice their religion.

 

[Steely Dan]

I would like to stress one last time and then I am stepping away from this thread and letting yall do what you do, but when you say things like "scientologists are dangerous bad people and angry liars etc" this is what is called religious INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY here in America. If you want to take issue with the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY that is fine and rightfully so as I dont much care for that organization myself but please stop lumping an entire group of people some of whom are innocent and decent human beings in with this organization with which you have a problem.


If I were to make some of the general statements that have been made about scientologists in this thread about christians, muslims or jews I would be banned and likely called all sorts of ugly names and rightfully so but you wont catch me doing that because I respect freedom and the bedrock of that freedom is tolerance for those who wish to practice their religion.

I think that prior to the TC and KH divorce most people didn't know that there was a fringe group of scientology that's against David Miscavige and has left in order to start a much freer version of scientology. So when people refer to scientologists I believe they are talking about the main church. I know I was/am. JMO

This is a great source; http://www.xenutv.com/blog/

 

[prima.facie]

I would like to stress one last time and then I am stepping away from this thread and letting yall do what you do, but when you say things like "scientologists are dangerous bad people and angry liars etc" this is what is called religious INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY here in America. If you want to take issue with the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY that is fine and rightfully so as I dont much care for that organization myself but please stop lumping an entire group of people some of whom are innocent and decent human beings in with this organization with which you have a problem.


If I were to make some of the general statements that have been made about scientologists in this thread about christians, muslims or jews I would be banned and likely called all sorts of ugly names and rightfully so but you wont catch me doing that because I respect freedom and the bedrock of that freedom is tolerance for those who wish to practice their religion.

BBM....
you make valid point....i have been pretty critical and didnt realize until tnight there was a difference in the two...i literally had no idea there were two different entities...

but i have my own personal hangups on religion in general and can be a bit biased when the topic comes up. those are just my own issues :/

 

[PAXIMUS]

I think that prior to the TC and KH divorce most people didn't know that there was a fringe group of scientology that's against David Miscavige and has left in order to start a much freer version of scientology. So when people refer to scientologists I believe they are talking about the main church. I know I was/am. JMO

This is a great source; http://www.xenutv.com/blog/

I know what you mean my friend I didnt mean to single anyone out it is just that I know a lot of very fine decent human beings who study Scientology and they cannot stand the COS and wont have any association with it so I think it is important that we make that distinction in our discussions lest we send a message to the readers here that everyone who is a scientologist is a dangerous scary monster who should be persecuted and eradicated from society, the last time people were led to believe such nonsense an entire group of people, 6 million to be sure, were murdered all because of the religion they practiced.

 

[PAXIMUS]

That's right. But I addressed why such a thing would be highly unlikely to happen. How do you feel about my rationale? Do you think there would be no worldwide outcry? No super-intensive investigation? No onslaught of publicity so fatal to the group that it would lead to the loss of billions in revenue from people leaving the group and people failing to join?

Right now, besides high-profile celeb involvement, Scientology is not that well known to many and thus, when approached about it, millions are still likely to be open-minded and take the personality test or try auditing as a means of trying something new to fix whatever problems they have.

Katie Holmes having an "accident" would surely prevent many of those people from ever giving this org a chance.

Again, this is, primarily, a money-making business. They make critical decisions based on the economic benefit to the org, IMO. What's your opinion about that? Do you agree? Disagree?

Who is responsible for the largest infiltration of the US GOVT in the history of the country?


Google Operation Snow White, no its not a conspiracy theory.

They got people in high places.

 

[prima.facie]

i must confess...im sadly dissapointed that the networks are not running Tom Cruise movie marathons.....thought for sure they would be.....

awww
A Few Good Men is on SpikeTv right now....
War of the Worlds is on SyFy too...
Far and Away is on Max....



:floorlaugh:

was just looking for something to watch.....lol
sorry tommy....dexter wins this round :floorlaugh:

 

[Steely Dan]

I know what you mean my friend I didnt mean to single anyone out it is just that I know a lot of very fine decent human beings who study Scientology and they cannot stand the COS and wont have any association with it so I think it is important that we make that distinction in our discussions lest we send a message to the readers here that everyone who is a scientologist is a dangerous scary monster who should be persecuted and eradicated from society, the last time people were led to believe such nonsense an entire group of people, 6 million to be sure, were murdered all because of the religion they practiced.

I think some of the documentaries I've posted make that differentiation. The more people learn of the splinter group the more they'll realize the difference. The COS has a major grip on their members and has them doing completely unethical things in the name of the COS. That's what people know. If the splinter group can make the public see the differentiation then that will help.

 

[PAXIMUS]

i have not been in a child custody situation...so can someone who is in the know explain what an "emergent application" is....and does that mean she fears her daughter is in danger?

i guess i could google it all, but i like hearing members thoughts...

ETA....i posted that ^^ before fully reading article.



alright who is up for a trip to NY to sit in on that open court? lol

I have people in Toledo, Ohio who tell me Katie's father is probably the best divorce attorney in the state and shrewd as they come, granted Ohio isnt New York City I am pretty sure this guy knows what he is doing, Tom may have he upper hand with his money but it appears Katie is going to be well represented by her father or colleagues who he trust and respects. The last thing TC and DM want is any open court hearings where bad publicity will further hurt the COS which is already desperately in decline because of other recent events.


This will definitely be worth watching.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I think some of the documentaries I've posted make that differentiation. The more people learn of the splinter group the more they'll realize the difference. The COS has a major grip on their members and has them doing completely unethical things in the name of the COS. That's what people know. If the splinter group can make the public see the differentiation then that will help.

I agree and more people need to learn about Marty Rathbun and his work and what he does and who he is. He is a force to reckon with and DM knows it. Marty had to go underground for years after he crashed a car through the security fences around the international (int) base in california to escape and get out of the COS he was DM's right hand man for years and probably guilty of a lot of bad **** himself but he is out now and has dedicated himself to helping others get out and is pretty much recognized now as the leader of the freezone movement which is the breakaway scientology group who still practices but has no association with COS, a lot of people want Marty to take over the COS and get it out of DM's grips.


IMO Marty is a good guy who can be trusted even though he was DM henchmen many years, he finally had his eyes opened saved himself.

 

[Fairy1]

I agree and more people need to learn about Marty Rathbun and his work and what he does and who he is. He is a force to reckon with and DM knows it. Marty had to go underground for years after he crashed a car through the security fences around the international (int) base in california to escape and get out of the COS he was DM's right hand man for years and probably guilty of a lot of bad **** himself but he is out now and has dedicated himself to helping others get out and is pretty much recognized now as the leader of the freezone movement which is the breakaway scientology group who still practices but has no association with COS, a lot of people want Marty to take over the COS and get it out of DM's grips.


IMO Marty is a good guy who can be trusted even though he was DM henchmen many years, he finally had his eyes opened saved himself.

I'm sorry, Pax, I disagree. Though I appreciate Marty's efforts, I believe if he had retained his power and standing within the COS, he would still be doing what he had always done - without conscience or remorse.

IMO, his bitterness can be attributed to a much different cause than that of other former scientologists. He lost his position, whereas the others who speak out against it lost their souls, their voices and their human connections.

 

[Steely Dan]

Here is the evidence from Operation Snow White; http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?page_id=3112

 

[gitana1]

There are probably few people who put in as much time as I have studying Scientology and I loath the entire organization, however, they should have a right to practice their religion freely and the courts in the US have ruled accordingly, what I would like to see stopped however is them causing harm to those who want to leave, that is where the line between religion and cult is crossed, if we allow them to practice their religion regardless of how strange it may seem to us, freely, they in turn should allow those who want to leave do so freely as well, when they do not, they become a menace that should be dealt with harshly and in short order.

I would also like to point out that Scientology itself is not the problem, most of the people involved are good people, it is one person who is causing all of the problems and that is DM, he is indeed a psychopath of the highest order and very likely guilty of crimes that should resut in time served in prison.

All of that said, I am glad Katie finally woke up but I dont think this was a real marriage to begin with, she was a beard from day one likely auditioned and won the position and knew exactly what she was getting in to, the ten year contract is now up and off she goes with her millions.

Read about operation FREAK OUT and operation SNOW WHITE for more information about how powerful an organization they are.

Katie Holmes was a young woman, very much in love. Being in love is like a sickness. Like a mental illness. People have to be strong and trained in who and what to avoid in order to prevent bad relationships from occurring. Holmes was head over heels into the guy, almost as nuts as TC was in the beginning.

Then, she had a child.

Having a child is a transformative experience for a woman (a good woman, should I say). Nothing is the same after that. What was important, no longer is. What was not important, suddenly is the most important thing.

I believe the act of having her baby caused Katie to grow up and see the reality of who she was married to and the fanatic that he is and to see the danger that posed to her child.

Did Katie Holmes know what she was getting into? I don't think she had a clue. She was too young and probably had little info about scientology.

But even if she did, once she had a child, all bets were off. What's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander if the gander is one's child.

As far as Miscavige being the problem with scientology, respectfully, I call b.s..

Elley Mae posted a link to a great article about scientology, as described by LRH's son and namesake, before Miscavige was involved or took the reigns. The same carp that happens now, was happening then:

In 1950 L. Ron Hubbard opened a Dianetics clinic, where the hopeful and newly converted could come, for a fee, and their ills --from loneliness to cancer --would be cured. Dianetics was the new Scientific Revolution. and L. Ron Hubbard was its prophet.
Soon the New Jersey authorities and the American Medical Association challenged the veracity of the new faith. L. Ron Hubbard met the challenge by fleeing the state (not the last time this was to happen).


Coming into manhood in the early fifties, Ron Jr. learned the virtues of flimflam and keeping one step ahead of the law and creditors. But he admits that he accepted his father's teachings and example as correct. By the time his father started the modern Church of Scientology in Arizona and New Jersey in 1953, young Hubbard was not only a disciple but a willing organizer in the new movement. He was to be so throughout the 1950s.


While Ron Jr. may never have questioned his father and the mushrooming cult of Scientology, a growing uneasiness began to take hold of him. The importance of family life, especially in contrast to his own up-bringing, caused Ron Jr. to question his life as a member of Scientology, albeit privately. Other factors also caused Ron Jr. to think about breaking away from the cult that was dominating his life. His father's autocratic and arbitrary control of Scientology often led to violence, and the young Hubbard began to be disturbed by his own participation. Certain questionable transactions involving drug dealing and the transfer of large sums of money abroad by his father was another troubling factor. But, he says, the breaking point came over his father's involvement with the Russians. Finally, in 1959, when his father was in Australia, Ron, his wife, and two children fled the Church of Scientology.


According to Ron Jr., life was to become a nightmarish existence. No matter, where the family went in the United States, it would not take long for a member of the organization to find them. Because he knew too much about Scientoiogy and its founder, Ron says, attempts were made to ensure his silence. For many years L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. kept a low profile.
Keeping silent did not end Ron's terror of what his father and followers might do to him and his family. In 1976 his half brother Quentin died under mysterious circumstances that Ron is certain was murder. Quentin, a son of Scientology's leader, was a drug abuser and an embarassment to his father. Whether all these questions were signs of paranoia finally became less important to Ron than discovering, once and for all, the truth about his father.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

Hubbard Jr. stated, in an interview with Penthouse in 1983:

Scientology has always had a "fair-game doctrine"--a policy of doing absolutely anything to stop an investigation or publication of a critical article in a magazine or newspaper. They have run some incredible operations on the several people who have tried to write books about Scientology. It was almost like a terror campaign. First they'd try throwing every possible lawsuit at the reporter or newspaper. We had a team of attorneys to do just that. The goal was to destroy the enemy. So the solution was always to attack, full-bore, with every possible resource, from every angle, instantaneously it can certainly be overwhelming. A guy would get slapped with twenty-seven lawsuits, and our lawyers would start depositioning absolutely anybody who ever knew the man, digging up dirt while at the same time putting together an operation that would get him into further trouble. I know of one case, concerning Paulette Cooper, who wrote a book called The Scandal of Scientology, in which they spent almost $500.000 trying to destroy her.
Penthouse: So you think the press was intimidated?

Hubbard: Oh, absolutely. All the way through, since the fifties. I found this very sad. It seemed very much like Germany in the thirties. The freedom of the press seemed buried. They got scared. They thought. "Well, who wants to go through ten years of lawsuits, just because we printed the name L. Ron Hubbard?" I'm delighted to see that Penthouse has the balls to print this interview.

Penthouse: Why do you think it's so risky?
Hubbard: My father drilled into all of us: Don't go to court thinking to win a lawsuit. You go to court to harass, to delay, to exhaust the enemy financially, physically, mentally. You file every motion you can think of and you just lock them up in court. The courts, for my father, were never used to seek justice or redress, put to destroy the people he thought were enemies, to prevent negative stories from appearing. He just wanted complete control of the press --and got it...


Penthouse: And what is the Church of Scientology?

Hubbard: It's one of my father's many organizations. It was formed in 1953, basically to avoid the harassment of my father by the medical profession and the IRS. The idea of Scientology didn't really exist before that point as a religion, but my father hit upon turning it into a church after he started feeling pressured.

Penthouse: Didn't your father have any interest in helping people?

Hubbard: No...

Hubbard: Quite simply, according to my father. Cancer is basically cells that are dividing out of control, and so, according to my father, the problem is a sexual thing. Therefore the cancer is rooted in a sexual problem. If you have cancer, you are really screwed up on sex. So what would happen in this auditing --I don't know what it's like now, but it's probably just the same as in the old days --is that they would address a guy's entire sex life. There was certainly an incredible preoccupation. In Dianetics and Scientology, about sex was a great means of control. You have complete control of someone if you have every detail of his sex life and fantasy life on record.
Penthouse: What if someone who went thought the training just wanted to drop out?

Hubbard: There was no way. There were thousands of people, back in the fifties who would come in and receive various levels of training, such as a Hubbard Certified Auditor's Certificate or a Bachelor of Scientology or a Doctorate of Scientology, and if they didn't toe the mark as my father wanted them to, then we would cancel their certificates. And then he would notify the Scientologists in the area where the man lived not to have anything to do with him, to disconnect from him. And if information was available about him, we would spread that information around to his wife, his family, his children, where he worked, everywhere. It was straight blackmail. It was "Stay in the fold or else." Then, later on, they developed what they called an ethics review board. If you didn't toe the mark, you'd be put on trial in front of a kangaroo court and then be sentenced to maybe scrub floors. I heard that you had to walk around with a dirty rag tied around your arm like a badge. You could be made to do anything. You would be locked in a chain locker or handcuffed to a bed. This is in later years. We were simpler in the fifties, more direct. I just went out and beat them up.

No, David Miscavige is not the problem. he may be evil but he was attracted to an already evil organization and took control, IMO.

Out of intellectual curiosity many years ago and in an attempt to understand this Scientology thing I joined, and was fortunate enough to know someone who allowed me to partake of the tech without having to pay a dime for it and I went as high as OT 2 and as far as I can tell there was no big secret, you are continually told that this or that will happen when you get to a certain level and when that doesnt happen for you it s because you are not doing something right or are with holding secrets from your auditors etc and you are then sent back down the "bridge" to start again and work your way back up wash rinse and repeat. Now let me say that some of the tech actually did help me in a lot of ways, but a lot of it is just BS and a way to make a lot of money off people who are desperate and grieving for various reasons but it is worth noting that this policy of charging people all this money is mostly the result of DM and not something that Hubbard himself was in to, also Marty Rathbun who was DM's right hand man for many many years, would like to make it all available for free for everyone and became DM's enemy number one for even suggesting such.

Sounds like a business, not a religion. Oh, and Hubbard was absolutely into making tons of money from this. That simply did not suddenly come about with DM.

I think that prior to the TC and KH divorce most people didn't know that there was a fringe group of scientology that's against David Miscavige and has left in order to start a much freer version of scientology. So when people refer to scientologists I believe they are talking about the main church. I know I was/am. JMO

This is a great source; http://www.xenutv.com/blog/

That's right. And we are not talking about everyday people who are scammed by this cult and participate to some degree. We are talking about the upper echelon - those who control the puppet strings.

However, I do think scientology [GENERALIZATION ALERT] tends to appeal to those with ego trips, when it comes down to brass tacks, and people with serious issues, like mental problems. I think most people, though, seeking true fulfillment and to learn how to be a better person, realize very quickly that the intensive pressure tactics that occur in their marathon 10 hour intro sessions, are part of a massive con job and get the heck out. One should not have to pay for salvation.

I think scientology is a business and the church of scientology is a cult. It meets every single one of the cult indicators on this checklist for the International Cultic Studies Org.: http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

It's scary and creepy and as LRH said, the best way to get rich is to create religion. It's a scam and the only reason it works for some to any degree is because LRH took parts of various philosophies and religions from some of the greatest minds in history and mashed it together. Some of those parts still work, even when mashed together with other stuff and some of it works for people simply because they want it too. LRH had no great vision for mankind. :moo:

Who is responsible for the largest infiltration of the US GOVT in the history of the country?

Google Operation Snow White, no its not a conspiracy theory.

They got people in high places.

I'm not sure what you are responding to in my post here.

 

[Steely Dan]

Katie Holmes was a young woman, very much in love. Being in love is like a sickness. Like a mental illness. People have to be strong and trained in who and what to avoid in order to prevent bad relationships from occurring. Holmes was head over heels into the guy, almost as nuts as TC was in the beginning.

Then, she had a child.

Having a child is a transformative experience for a woman (a good woman, should I say). Nothing is the same after that. What was important, no longer is. What was not important, suddenly is the most important thing.

I believe the act of having her baby caused Katie to grow up and see the reality of who she was married to and the fanatic that he is and to see the danger that posed to her child.

Did Katie Holmes know what she was getting into? I don't think she had a clue. She was too young and probably had little info about scientology.

But even if she did, once she had a child, all bets were off. What's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander if the gander is one's child.

As far as Miscavige being the problem with scientology, respectfully, I call b.s..

Elley Mae posted a link to a great article about scientology, as described by LRH's son and namesake, before Miscavige was involved or took the reigns. The same carp that happens now, was happening then: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

Hubbard Jr. stated, in an interview with Penthouse in 1983: No, David Miscavige is not the problem. he may be evil but he was attracted to an already evil organization and took control, IMO.



Sounds like a business, not a religion. Oh, and Hubbard was absolutely into making tons of money from this. That simply did not suddenly come about with DM.



That's right. And we are not talking about everyday people who are scammed by this cult and participate to some degree. We are talking about the upper echelon - those who control the puppet strings.

However, I do think scientology [GENERALIZATION ALERT] tends to appeal to those with ego trips, when it comes down to brass tacks, and people with serious issues, like mental problems. I think most people, though, seeking true fulfillment and to learn how to be a better person, realize very quickly that the intensive pressure tactics that occur in their marathon 10 hour intro sessions, are part of a massive con job and get the heck out. One should not have to pay for salvation.

I think scientology is a business and the church of scientology is a cult. It meets every single one of the cult indicators on this checklist for the International Cultic Studies Org.: http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

It's scary and creepy and as LRH said, the best way to get rich is to create religion. It's a scam and the only reason it works for some to any degree is because LRH took parts of various philosophies and religions from some of the greatest minds in history and mashed it together. Some of those parts still work, even when mashed together with other stuff and some of it works for people simply because they want it too. LRH had no great vision for mankind. :moo:



I'm not sure what you are responding to in my post here.

You're right about scientology always being a corrupt, violent organization at the top. I do think that some people find peace with it at a lower level and if it works for them, then great. I think the sociopaths and psychopaths make it to the top.

What Operation Snow White was is an attempt to gain control of government by scientology. I think they're still trying this. They basically infiltrated places like the IRS and Justice Department with the idea of stealing anything the government had on scientology. They also placed a bug in an IRS conference room and recorded a meeting on scientology's petition for religious tax exclusion.

They held captive one of the guys who got caught and he eventually escaped. I haven't finished reading everything on it yet. I think I've gotten the gist so far. I've been reading the seized evidence from the trial.

Here's more on it; http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?page_id=18

 

[Steely Dan]

Ooops! I said "Operation Snow White was" in fact it's still alive today; http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?page_id=18

That's the previous link, but I'm putting here again. Here's a quote;

...The Snow White program was never officially closed by Scientology. The paranoia has not left Scientology. The Guardian’s Office was replaced with the Office of Special Affairs. The policies by Hubbard to attack and destroy perceived enemies are still in force.

 

[Steely Dan]

The harassment of Paulette Cooper;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97eamKbln-M"]Clearwater Scientology Hearings, Paulette Cooper 1/4 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Vif-LarSE"]Clearwater Scientology Hearings, Paulette Cooper 2/4 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WqSyAcq7hc"]Clearwater Scientology Hearings, Paulette Cooper 3/4 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Z3DMkSQj0"]Clearwater Scientology Hearings, Paulette Cooper 4/4 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Steely Dan]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8eTe_Ank8&feature=related"]Scientology and the Clearwater Police - YouTube[/ame]